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Opposition round ups to begin?

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posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 04:22 AM
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Recently in venezuela an oil pipeline "attack" and convienently just days after a few parties critisized chavez and refuses to run because the election will be rigged, so, now they get accused of being involved with this bombing.

now to me, i see the start of political prisoner round ups and the coming suppression of opposition, together with this convienent bombing, accusations of "american agents" whenever anyone critisizes chavez or opposes him, plus his military connections makes me think he's setting up a dictatorship and it will come fast.

convienent? you tell me edition.cnn.com...




posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:41 AM
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Are you talking about roundups here in the U.S., or overseas in some country like venezuela?

If they happen in the U.S., participation on this board might be pretty sparse.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:51 AM
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Since Chavez is getting paranoid then ever, its most likely he would round up the opposition to take hold of his power unchallenge anytime soon. No doubt this is a good excuse to suppress any opposition by blaming on foreign agents, and could also accuse the opposition of working for the CIA and must be imprison as well as traitors.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Are you talking about roundups here in the U.S., or overseas in some country like venezuela?

If they happen in the U.S., participation on this board might be pretty sparse.


venezuela



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 07:41 PM
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Chaves looks like he will be trouble in the near future.
He has all the power now , I believe his party has all the senate seats.
Hopefully the people there will keep him in check, but it could be easy for
him to take complete control . Dictator's have a bad track record over the
years.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by namehere
now to me, i see the start of political prisoner round ups and the coming suppression of opposition, together with this convienent bombing, accusations of "american agents" whenever anyone critisizes chavez or opposes him, plus his military connections makes me think he's setting up a dictatorship and it will come fast.


Perhaps. In my opinion, however, the situation is just a bit more complex than that. The way I see it, the oppostion parties are making a move that will allow them to begin staging an uprising. As an article in the Financial Times noted:

Financial Times (UK)
With traditional opposition leaders now devoid of any representation in the formal channels of government, the most radical critics of Mr Chávez are likely to try to foster the emergence of a more "subversive" opposition movement.
news.ft.com...


Now, what if that was the plan all along? Take advantage of many people's opposition to using fingerprint identification in voting machines, declare the elections unfair and rigged before a single ballot is cast, urge an election boycott, complain about a lack of political representation for opposition parties, and finally mobilize an uprising. . . let the chips fall where they may, and let the fascism roll.

It seems odd that the only outside observers of the election who declare it to have been fixed or unfair cite the turnout, rather than the process itself. Large turnout in an election with only one active candidate is an absurd yardstick for a democratic process. By the same token, am I to believe that the high turnout for elections in places like North Korea or the former USSR are/were indications of a healthy democracy? It doesn't add up from a logical standpoint.

Believe me, I know Chavez is no saint. His socialist vision for Venezuela is terribly misguided. I harbor no sympathy for him, but I also refuse to side with his political detractors, who are trying to work outside of the system in order to take control of the country. It may well be that Chavez's ultimate goal is to establish a dictatorship, but it is painfully obvious to me that both sides are trying for a power play, and no matter who winds up successful, I can only see the people of Venezuela losing out.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 01:10 AM
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This is indicative to the roundups we around the world will have, once people start waking up & seeing what's really been going on around here.

I think there will be a lot of people missing from ATS, BTS, & PTS once the NWO opens up full swing.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by coerciblegerm I can only see the people of Venezuela losing out.


well 25% less voters voted than in his 2000 election and EVERY congress seat is either his party or allies of his party and he likely will throw out term limits, so how was his opposition trying to take control?

how often is venezuela bombed? and how can this timing be so perfect without being a set up? it caused minimal damge and suspects cught within hours....it all very convienent...



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by namehere
well 25% less voters voted than in his 2000 election and EVERY congress seat is either his party or allies of his party and he likely will throw out term limits, so how was his opposition trying to take control?


Read my post again. . . my view is that the opposition was attempting to undermine the validity of the election by boycotting the vote. This would create the perception that the opposition parties, despite voluntarily abstaining from the election, have in some way been disenfranchised. Remember, Chavez did not boycott the election, his opposition did. Had candidates started mysteriously disappearing or landing in prison at the whim of the Chavesistas, it could be argued that this is a case of suppression. However, when opposition candidates urge the people not to vote, it's only logical that they will lose. Imagine if either of the major parties in this county were to withdraw their candidates and urge their supporters not to vote; it would be expected that voter turnout would be appalingly low and that the other party would instantly gain control of the government. In short, such a move would be political suicide. If there existed a genuine desire to gain political power through conventional channels, Chavez's opposition would have urged their supporters to vote.


Originally posted by namehere
how often is venezuela bombed? and how can this timing be so perfect without being a set up? it caused minimal damge and suspects cught within hours....it all very convienent...


Indeed, it is. It has all the markings of a false flag operation. I'm not suggesting otherwise. But I can't endorse the argument that his opposition is some kind of champion of democracy when they are openly undermining the voting process.

As I said before, Chavez may well be seeking to set himself up as a dictator. All I'm trying to say is that he wouldn't be the only one.



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