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posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Immaterial, again.
How about instead of looking at how many times the US has vetoe'd resolutions against Israel,


America Used UN Veto to Protect Israeli War Crimes – 24 Times!


do two things:
First, realize and recognize that the resolution(s) passed, regardless of the US veto.


The resolutions that passed were little more than words from the debate club.

The resolutions vetoed called for real action.


look into the reasoning behind why the US veto'd.


Because Zionists rule America.



Excuse me, again, the US is but one vote.
As such, there are five permanent members.


Only one veto is required to stop the world from stopping Israel.


ioned above, despite US veto's, the majority of resolutions pass.


The ones that are passed are meaningless in practice, but the ones vetoed carried weight.


For you to sit here and insinuate that the US, making one vote, is holding up the UN on acting or from a solution, is again, ludicrous and humorous.


It is the stark reality, and I don't see how anyone, head in the sand or not, could deny that America alone with its UN veto power backed up with military might has allowed Israel to commit slow motion ethnic cleansing.

The Israelies are responsible for doing it, and America is responsible for enabling it.

The Brits share a fair amount of the blame themselves, but in the end the single thing that ties it all together is the Veto America employs in the UN.

Over and above actually using the veto power is exerted through the implication of veto, but considering your denialism of Veto Power maybe thats too much for you to take in right now.

[edit on 8-12-2005 by ArchAngel]




posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 05:48 PM
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Aren't Judaism and Islam effectively the same religeons?


Judaism is not one religion.

There are four Jewish religions.

Jews are not a race, or a religion, or a nationality.



They are an ethnic group.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

Judaism is not one religion.

There are four Jewish religions.

Jews are not a race, or a religion, or a nationality.

They are an ethnic group.


That is a great answer, but how do you define "ethnic group" ?



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 05:58 PM
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Please don't derail this topic in to a "Jesus was black" war. There are lots of threads around here on ATS made just for that discussion or you can take this article from Popular Mechanics and start your own thread.(The Real Face Of Jesus)

What does Sammy Davis Jr. have to do with anything being discussed



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 06:35 PM
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What does Sammy Davis Jr. have to do with anything being discussed


He was a black Jew.

It defeats the notion that Jews are a race.

Further proving that many have no right to the land in Israel.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 06:44 PM
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Race a social construct.




seekerof



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 06:52 PM
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  • Jews are a nation, a people

  • Judaism is a religion - The four main Jewish religious denominations are:

    • Orthodox Judaism
    • Conservative (Masorti) Judaism,
    • Reform/Liberal/Progressive Judaism
    • Reconstructionist Judaism

  • A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the
    formal process of conversion to Judaism.

  • According to Israels

    Law of Return




    1. Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh.

    4B. [...] „Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion. [...]





posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 06:57 PM
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Race a social construct.


Race is not something you can just join up with.

You are born with it.

Even the Prime Minister of Israel is not a racial Israelite.

His Grandparents were Russian Christians that converted after the Bolshevik uprising.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel
America Used UN Veto to Protect Israeli War Crimes – 24 Times!

You really need to save your use of the rhetoric supplied by the anti-Jew Joe Vialls. Supply something vaild and deserving of merit. Anything that comes from Joe Vialls justly deserves its place in the garbage.




Because Zionists rule America.

Your incorrect.
Look again at an objective source(s) and rightly discern why the US vetoe'd those resolutions that it did.




Only one veto is required to stop the world from stopping Israel.

Incorrect, again.





The ones that are passed are meaningless in practice, but the ones vetoed carried weight.

They all carried weight.
Read my above reply, again.




It is the stark reality, and I don't see how anyone, head in the sand or not, could deny that America alone with its UN veto power backed up with military might has allowed Israel to commit slow motion ethnic cleansing.

The Israelies are responsible for doing it, and America is responsible for enabling it.

Ethnic cleansing?
You have obviously been reading to much of Joe Vialls.
The UN is currently anti-Israel, anyhow.
If I had one wish, I would wish that Israel was moved right beside you and Joe Vialls.

Furthermore, denialism is like race, coined when appropriate.
And since your delving in anti-Israel rhetoric, allow me to supply my own anti-Palestinian rhetoric:


"The main reason Palestine won’t come into existence is that the Arab Palestinians don’t want it to, nor does Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia or Egypt, notwithstanding protestations to the contrary. ... They rejected the Partition Plan in ’47. They rejected the State of Israel when it was declared in ’48 with the support of the US State Department, and invaded Israel en masse. In ’64 they created the PLO which they dedicated to destroying Israel. They massed for invasion again in ’67 and after being soundly defeated by Israel, they rejected Resolution 242. Instead and they passed a resolution at Khartoum which advocated “no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it." They finally accepted Res 242 and the acceptance of Israel in the Oslo Accords because it was part of their “phased plan” to destroy Israel. They never had any intention of honouring it and they never did. It is not the Islamic way. Agreements with the infidel are not binding. The “Palestinians” are making war, not nice. It has ever been so. Aside from the odd pro-peace comment, I challenge you to identify one thing they have done in the furtherance of peaceful coexistence. Just one."

"Palestine"





seekerof

[edit on 8-12-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 07:07 PM
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Judaism is a religion - The four main Jewish religious denominations are:

Orthodox Judaism

Conservative (Masorti) Judaism,

Reform/Liberal/Progressive Judaism

Reconstructionist Judaism


This is the main subdivisions of only one Jewish religion.

They ignore the others.

The four Jewish religions are defined by their holy books.

1. The Samaritans holy book is the first five books of the OT.

2. The Karaites holy book is the entire OT.

3. The Talmudists holy book is the entire OT, and the Babylonian Talmud.

4. The kabbalists holy book is the entire OT, the Babylonian Talmud, and the Mystic Kabbalah.

Some would say that Messianic Jews[Jews For Jesus] are Jewish, but Israel does not.

Israel is by far a Talmudist majority.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 07:12 PM
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That is absolute wrong.

I'd highly recommend you'd do some serious research on Judaism and also on the population of Israel.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Riwka
That is absolute wrong.

I'd highly recommend you'd do some serious research on Judaism and also on the population of Israel.


Who said what that was wrong?

Thank you.



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 01:28 AM
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Most of the people laying their divine claim to the lands which even the Bible called Pallestine aren't ethnicly linked to the middle east at all. Most of them are in fact Russian and Eastern European Jews. It's a longer story than I want to bother with at the moment, but if you want to know the short of it, Jews have been expelled from literally every single european nation at some point or another. The most recent 'exodus' prior to WWII was from Russia after the jewish led Bolshevik Movement killed millions upon millions of people with the red herring we know collectively as communism. After WWI, and the very interesting treaty of Versailles most of those settled into Poland and Germany until the 1930's when Germany decided to expel them as well. The rest of the story is hotly debated, but the signifigance of those events are very relevant to events taking place today in the middle east. The Ottomans and the Arab nations were the last real resistance to a global zionism, now that the Ottomans are out of the way the only real resistance left was Arabia.
Aside from Israel, in all but two middle eastern nations, Judaism and Freemasonry are strictly outlawed, the ancient Kabalist practice of Human Sacrifice was a big reason for this, but the two cultures have been at war since who knows when, fighting over Salt, Gold, and now thanks to some dirty deals with the British Empire, Real Estate.
Jewish Culture maintains that every expulsion has been the result of antisemitism and ethnic cleansing, while everytime the other side says it was either matters of Finance or Power grabbing, but regardless of the witch hunting, there's always a war, an exodus, and then a deluge of finger pointing. All that crap about the Pilgrams comming to America for example, to escape religous persecution was in a large part actually the flight of the zionists and freemasons fleeing their last refuges in Europe.
It all boils down to control, the temple you often hear refered to in Freemasonry and Jewish Jargon isn't an actual building, it's a sytem of control, a metaphor for creating a class based society through international finance.
But I want to make it absolutely clear that all of this war and Usurping has nothing to do with being Jewish, it's actually about Zionism, and Judaism and Zionism are two completely different things. Freemasonry is a form of Zionism if that tells you anything. But don't be fooled into thinking that Israel is some poor nation fighting for survival in the midst of evil, or that being Jewish is an ethnic singularity. That is the capital of Zion, placed there by the western world as a seat of power.



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 12:25 PM
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The United Nations held a "Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People" last week. A large map of “Palestine,” with Israel literally wiped off the map, featured prominently in the festivities.

The ceremony was held at the UN headquarters in New York and was attended by Secretary General Kofi Annan and the Presidents of the UN Security Council and the General Assembly.

Map of "Palestine" from the Jordan River to the sea, with no mention of the Jewish State.

Continued....


Whos side is the UN on?

When America decides to no longer use its UN Veto to protect Israel how long will it take before there are sanctions, and later an invasion?

The legal precedant is there, and the beligerancy of Israel is never in doubt.

I believe Israel should begin withdrawing from the West Bank today so that they can be behind the green line before the world puts them under the red line....



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Jews have been expelled from literally every single european nation at some point or another


hence the europeans dumped them in the middle east for them to sort out.



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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"The main reason Palestine won’t come into existence is that the Arab Palestinians don’t want it to, nor does Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia or Egypt, notwithstanding protestations to the contrary. ... They rejected the Partition Plan in ’47. They rejected the State of Israel when it was declared in ’48 with the support of the US State Department, and invaded Israel en masse. In ’64 they created the PLO which they dedicated to destroying Israel. "



What utter ignorance.

The Arabs do want a Palestine nation.

They just don't want an Israeli nation.

The stupidest dichotomy I have yet seen here on ATS.

Being against an Israeli nation is the opposite of being against a Palestinian nation, not the same thing.



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 01:32 PM
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ok. this is my guess.

US will allow Arabs gang up on Israel and invade it. UN will do nothing as usual and simply stand by and watch the slaughter as it did in the Rwanda genocide.

Lets face it. Experts are beginning to say that already America is losing this war on terror. Many mistake have happend like torture chambers in Abu Ghraib and Camp x-ray. we have lost our image and whole of the moslem world hates us. thats like 20 percent of entire world population, nearly 1000 000 000 people. that not even counting other europens and other people. and what for? just siding with israel?

Pentagon has got it figured out that this is the only way to win end this war on terrorism by winning hearts and minds of Arabs. They are already kissing their ass.

washington is going to let another holocaust happen to the jews.

and arabs are all ready and waiting to do the dirty work.

we have to stop this terror war now. thats the only way. its a load of BS !!




[edit on 9-12-2005 by mr conspiracy]



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 01:44 PM
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hey my conspiracy

you want to barcode the arabs then, and add microchips so they can be tracked from space?


just to make sure


why not intern them in safe havens (or ghettos)


just to make sure


then you can be safe in the knowledge that you can make a lasting and final solution.


or not.

The israelies routinly ignore UN resolutions (all 74 of them) and yet where is the us armada spanking there collective butts??


To harken back to `days of holocaust` is one thing , and yes the world needs to remember - but it also needs to remember the other millions that have died as a result of wars thank you very much.


go into a wood , chop down a tree , build a bridge and get the F*** over it ; it seems to me that they want to live in a world of sorrow and pity - where all the world (and his wife) pity`s the Jewish people.



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Riwka

Originally posted by chaudri

Berlin Wall is in-human, Israeli Wall is justified?


The Berlin Wall had the purpose of keeping citizens of East Berlin from defecting to the West.

Israel's security fence is just the opposite of the Berlin situation. It is intended to keep dangerous terrorist infiltrators out of Israel


This is an outright lie.

The purpose of the Wall is to steal Palestinian land.

If Israel had built the wall on their border there would be no opposition to it.

The fact that the Israelies are building a wall around the Palestinians rather than around themselves shows it is not for self defense.

The path of the wall is a warcrime.

www.gush-shalom.org...




posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel
The path of the wall is a warcrime.


Really? You must be a rabid reader of Amnesty International or some other anti-Israel site?
Allow me, courtesy of you:

as posted by ArchAngel
This is an outright lie.

ISRAEL'S ANTI-TERROR FENCE: THE WORLD COURT CASE
CAMERA ALERT: Background on Israel's Anti-Terror Fence

Apparently "an outright lie" must be subjective, as is the utterance and proclamation of "a war crime"?

Btw, while your dishing out the ole' war crime accusations that your so notorious for spewing, how about mention the war crimes that the Palestinians are committing. Come on, don't be shy...






seekerof

[edit on 9-12-2005 by Seekerof]





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