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reply posted on 6-12-2005 @ 05:53 PM by rockonchucktown
"Funny that, a lot of people think its the zionist jews and Israel that are fanatical, it is the israelis who use helicopters against kids with stones and sticks, who flatten houses full of innocent people... Israel has not been continually harassed, it has started the conflicts and then lied to gain world support, just like they did during/after ww2.

The wall is illegal even by the UN, yet they refuse to tear it down, they refuse to allow Palestinians to travel thru it for work or any other reasons, they take thousands of acres of land each year off farmers for new settlements and walls. Israel is the cause of the problems in the middle east today, so i see why some countries there would be happier with them going back to where thye came from."-

sry about the quote, im a little unfamiliar with the tools
anyways,to let palestinians pass for work and other reasons? considering all the suicide bombings by palestinians(not saying all palestinians are guilty of this but most who are guilty of this are palestinian) israel would be very foolish to have an open door policy. All this talk about israel being so warlike and causing mid east problems makes it blatantly obvious that those who blame israel have an agenda to push. after all it was israel who was invaded in the 6 day war and many others(and they kicked arse btw
As for the statement that they should go back where they came from, welll there true roots are right there in the middle east. in biblical days, they occupied that very land. of course they have been wanderers for many years but they are currently where they should


reply posted on 6-12-2005 @ 06:06 PM by Riwka
Originally posted by ArchAngel

the Jerusalem District is a Corpus Separatum


That's really a good one.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 November 29, 1947 - Part III.

City of Jerusalem B. BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY
:

The City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem; the most western, 'Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu'fat, as indicated on the attached sketch-map


....Could please anybody explain to me, why e.g. Bethlehem/PA and others are no "Corpus Separatum under UN Administration" until the concerned parties can reach an agreement on final status?

tzk,tzk,tzk...


reply posted on 7-12-2005 @ 01:51 AM by seattlelaw
Originally posted by dbrandt
Israel isn't a threat to the security of the United States. Alot of other nations are and are also a threat ot satbility of areas and the world.


BY this you apparently mean that Israel would not bomb the US. But I have read that the Mossad was present in NYC on 9/11 and were publicly quite elated by the event. I read that an Israeli company told its employees in the towers not to come to work on 9/11. I have read police reports of Mossad agents being arrested under suspicious circumstances on 9/11 in vans with traces of explosives. Truth? Fiction?

Who had the most to gain from 9/11 besides our military industrial complex? That's right, Israel. Who had the skills to pull this fantastic military maneuver off, Osama bin Laden and his tiny troup of followers or the Mossad? Who dresses up as Arabs and does nasty things to innocent people? How many westerners would know an Israeli with a turban from an Arab?

It's about misdirection people. Israeli policy is ends justifies the means and it always has been. It's the same as all fascist nations in history. You're either with us or you're against us.

If the Israelis don't flinch at driving a tank over a pretty young white American girl and grinding the life out of her don't think for a second that they wouldn't kill you and everyone you know to advance their cause. Zealots are the problem. We have them here, they have them there. Right now these zealots control the weapons and the policies. This is why we have an expanding 'war' and increasing murder. Sure the suicide bombers are terrible but they serve Israel by providing the public with the anger needed to support what the public would otherwise not tolerate.

It's the same here. Before 9/11 do you believe that the US public would have gone along with bombing hell out of Iraq? Sadly, it doesn't even much matter to people that the vaporous connection drawn by Cheney, et al, between 9/11 and Saddam was a fraud. People wanted revenge - they wanted blood for blood.

War as it is called, or murder as it is practiced, is quite good for business plus it provides the dividend of muffling dissent in many other areas as well as distracting the dissenters from objecting to the open theft of public resources and wealth and the further destruction of the already grievously depleted and polluted environment. The graft is so prevalent in Congress it is truly breathtaking. So far it is Republicans being indicted as they have the power to grant the powerful corporation's wishes. Randy "Duke" Cunnningham, Tom the "Hammer" Delay, etc., etc.

I know, beyond the thread. Bottom line is that Israel is primarily a threat to the US because Israel is our lynchpin to the middle east. We have to back them up no matter what they do. That might (has?) get us into a heap of trouble. IMO that's a major reason we agreed to take out Saddam and take over Iraq. With Iraq as our new pawn we might be less reliant on and tougher with Israel. We're at a point with Israel where both nations are trying to be the 'top' rather than the 'bottom' in the relationship. Now I know that, based on male prostitute Guckert's 100's of trips to the White House after hours that someone there is a bottom, but my guess is that would be a minority and not reflect national policy. But who knows?



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reply posted on 7-12-2005 @ 05:50 PM by ArchAngel
Originally posted by Riwka
So one should blame the PA for violating resolutions, right?


There are no UNSC resolutions against the Palestinians.

Palestine does not have UN recognition as a nation.

They are illegally occupied.

The Palestinians not only rejected UN Res. 181 at the time the Jewish State of Israel was born,


Why would they agree to give away what was theirs to immigrants so that they could form a racist entity that divided the Muslim world?

The PA today still rejects to give Bethlehem and the other parts to the UN to establish a "Corpus Seperatum"


They are under Israeli occupation so as the contracting party Israel is responisble.

And not only that.

Furthermore, the PA wants Jerusalem to be their Capital - they never wanted Jerusalem to be a "Corpus Separatum under UN Administration".


Wants are only words, but the Israeli occupation is backed by force.

Up to now, no resolution called for Israel to hand over all of east Jerusalem to a future Palestinian state.


PALESTINE was divided into Four parts at two different times.

Early in the British ocupation Jordan was split off, and later Palestine was split into the Arab sectors, Israel, and the Jerusalem district.

What the resolutions call for is UN Administration of the Jerusalem District until all the parties can reach an agreement.

It does NOT belong to Israel.

They are simply the occupiers.

So this is only one more nice try of those, whose agenda it is only to blame Israel.


The occupation of Palestine began with an Israeli sneak attack way back in 1967.

Who else is there to blame other than the aggressor that refuses to withdraw, or to even give the natives citizenship?
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