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Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
Juhda US has been giving Israel aid to some extent ever since 1949.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
So it's just being stupid to do so. Second: Let me give you my advice before you go around spreading more lies and making the Arab World look bad.-DON'T YOU EVER JUDGE A COUNTRY BY IT'S GOVERNMENT. EVER!! Well i read all you're replies but i am in no interst to reply because am tired of repeating the same things over and over again.
Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
regardless of which chapter of which charter the resolutions are filed under, dont u think that that when the community of civilised nations passes a reccomendation to a country that is accepted by the rest of the world, it should be followed? i certainly do.
Originally posted by EarthUnificationFrontier
So you admit you have been wrong. Israel HAS BEEN aided financially by the US as early as since the 1949, and the first military aid arrived in 1959.
I am not sure of your economic knowledge, but given that inflation has been influatated in the global economics throughout the 70s, 80s and 90s, especially the 80s, 0.4 million US dollars loan back then in 1959 is equilivent of value to a good few billion US dollars today.
Even if the financial aid was not as in large ammount in the 1949 - 1974 time period as in the later 70s, would have Israel won against the Arabs in 1947-49; 1956 and 1967 respectively without any US monetary aid? I highly doubt it.
Futhermore, Moscow never directly supported Syria and Egypt until 1973, which on the other hand US has already given Israel a couple billions in aid since 1949. Russia was clearly playing the passive role, in responce to the aggression of US foreign policy of aiding Israel in Middle East.
Syria primarily bought its military arms from Czechoslovakia, but unlike Israel from US, Syria was never granted aids for free, and was required to pay back Czechoslovakia and USSR with its loan on top of interests.
Would Israel exist today from Arabs attack if not for US financial aid as early as since the 1949? No. Thus i do not see the reason for Israel celebrating its past victories with such empty pride.
Originally posted by Nakash
Juddah, let's be fair- Doc Zakheim stole a trillion dollars while in the Pentagon, and we have given another trillion in aid since 1967. Arabs simply don't have the same level of technology as the Israelis do. This superace "conqueror" ideology is the problem, Muslims have the exact same mindiset by the way (why there will NEVER be peace).
[edit on 26-3-2006 by Nakash]
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Even though Israel has a good military I always wondered what would happen upon a full out assault by their neighbours. Not something to look forward to but the middle east is so volatile and always has been it is not impossible that such a thing could happen.
Originally posted by dana2006
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Even though Israel has a good military I always wondered what would happen upon a full out assault by their neighbours. Not something to look forward to but the middle east is so volatile and always has been it is not impossible that such a thing could happen.
It happend once, when egypt and syria attaked israel in october 1973, at the same time , in the first 3 days , syrians reached to the borders of israeli settlements in northern isarel, and egyptians passed and destroyed (barleiv line) i am not sure of the spelling,in few hours and advanced to israel through the international highway in sinai destroying and killing israeli militants , and were a few hundred kilometers away from the israeli border. during that time . kissinger put lots of pressure on mr. nixon to allow for immediate military assistance to israel, after , golda maer (israeli prime minister) made a quick visit to US, begging for american help, i listened to her speech, when she was crying and telling the americans that isreal was invaded from both sides and will be destroyed in no time if it doesn't get the help from the US. I remember watching the news, that showed huge american B52 , i think, landing in haifa and tel aviv airports loaded of , all kinds of military equipment, tanks artilery, missiles,...etc.. It was a 24 hours air bridge from US to Israel , it lasted for the whole period of the war. still , even that americans were doing their best to asist their ally, syrian and egyptian armies were unshakable, suddenly , the advance of 2 arab armies were halted, and started thier withdrawal, and israeli army started to attak and advance in both sides. guess what happened? the israeli prime minister sent a message with kissinger to soviets' leadership, if arabs won't stop their attak and withdraw. isreal is going to nuke damascus, cairo. Do you know now ,why arabs don't wipe away israel even that they can do it any time? not because of the super brave israeli army, as westerners acclaim, because of the more than 200 nuclear heads that israel owns.
415,000 troops; 1,500 tanks, 3,000 armored carriers; 945 artillery units 100 mm and up; 561 airplanes, 84 helicopters; 38 warships. [1]
Egypt: 830,000 troops; 2,200 tanks, 2,400 armored carriers; 1,120 artillery units 100 mm and up; 690 airplanes, 161 helicopters; 104 warships
Syria: 332,000 troops; 1,350 tanks, 1,300 armored carriers; 655 artillery units 100 mm and up; 321 airplanes, 36 helicopters; 21 warships
Iraq: 20,000 troops, 310 tanks, 300 armored carriers, 54 artillery units, 73 airplanes) [1]
Besides Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Iraq, several other Arab nations were involved in this war, providing additional weapons and financing. The amount of support is uncertain.
Saudi Arabia and Kuwait gave financial aid and sent some token forces to join in the battle. Morocco sent three brigades to the front lines; the Palestinians sent troops as well (Rabinovich, 464). Pakistan sent sixteen pilots.
From 1971 to 1973, Muammar al-Qaddafi of Libya sent Mirage fighters and gave Egypt around $1 billion to arm for war. Algeria sent squadrons of fighters and bombers, armored brigades, and dozens of tanks. Tunisia sent over 1,000 soldiers, who worked with Egyptian forces in the Nile delta, and Sudan sent 3,500 soldiers.
Uganda radio reported that Idi Amin sent Ugandan soldiers to fight against Israel. Cuba also sent approximately 1,500 troops including tank and helicopter crews who reportedly also engaged in combat operations against the IDF. [6]
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
SO to sum up Israel was outnumbered by nearly 3:1 in troops over 2:1 with tanks, nearly 2:1 on Artillery, over 2:1 on planes (Israel was outnumbered in every aspect), Soviets provided continuing support throughout the war while the US came in late.
Tallying up the dead the body count was over 8500 arabs to over 2600 Israelis and this was considered a devistating war for Israel.
Had Israel went ahead to destroy the trapped Egyptian 3rd Army the ARab casualties would have been astronomical.
WIth this said, war is nothing to be proud of.
I just hope that the ARab learn that Israel is not to be messed with.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
You have your views I have mine.
Fact is that Israel turned the war over in the Golan 2 days after the war broke out. This without ANY assistance. They Syrians were at a clear retreat and second that the 3rd army was trapped by a division not a platoon. As soon as this happened the Soviets and the Egyptians started yelling to high hell at the UN that they required a cease fire. THAT is what is in the history books.
Of course Golda and its leadership were scared - this was the first war Israel did not pre-empt and it cost Israel a heavy price. I think we learned the lesson since.
The fact that Israel did not demolish the 3rd Army and allowed the Egyptians to strike first is what gave the Egyptians the 'face' to come to Israel with the peace proposal that was signed.
Source
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Originally posted by Riwka
Here is a thread about that paper - Harvard alerady backed away from "Israel lobby" Professors and the The Harvard Kennedy School of Government logo has disappeared.....