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t aside from being Jewish and/or Israeli.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
EarthUnificationFrontier,
You seem to suffer from a loss of a sense of reality.
You tried to equate Palestinian 'resistance' with Israeli resistance prior to 1948 - Your arguement has no merit. WHen did Israel bomb churches, buses, cafes, and restaurants prior to 1948 to kill the British. Israeli militants targeted military British targets. Palestinians target unarmed, non-combatant Israelis with no part in the conflic
Israel is NOT obligated to allow international inspectors since they never signed the non-proliferation pact.
Regarding the prison raid. The Prison was not totally demolished.
REgarding Israels efficiency - Damn efficient. Not a single Israeli was injured and the three guards that were killed openned fire on Israeli soldiers - they were fair game.
THe 'former militants' as you called them stated they would prefer to die in battle rather than surrender. They surrendered like the cowards that they are..
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
EarthUnificationFrontier,
You seem to suffer from a loss of a sense of reality.
You tried to equate Palestinian 'resistance' with Israeli resistance prior to 1948 - Your arguement has no merit. WHen did Israel bomb churches, buses, cafes, and restaurants prior to 1948 to kill the British. Israeli militants targeted military British targets. Palestinians target unarmed, non-combatant Israelis with no part in the conflict aside from being Jewish and/or Israeli. Your comparison fails miserably.
When trying to counter my example for Israels restraint relating to nuclear capabilities you came up with a supposed quote of the Former Jordanian prime minister. It has no relation to Israel exercising restain in its nuclear capabilities. Israel is NOT obligated to allow international inspectors since they never signed the non-proliferation pact.
Regarding the prison raid. The Prison was not totally demolished, they were not former militants (although nice anemic label you placed on them. Next you'll be telling me they are nominees for the Nobel peace prize).
REgarding Israels efficiency - Damn efficient. Not a single Israeli was injured and the three guards that were killed openned fire on Israeli soldiers - they were fair game.
THe 'former militants' as you called them stated they would prefer to die in battle rather than surrender. They surrendered like the cowards that they are.
Next time try to make VALID points.
As a Brit I'd remind you your terrorists killed 232 British Squaddies; you're lucky we're a reasonable nation and didn't extract justifiable revenge. Using Israel's current standards we could have killed c. 1,000 of your citizens - justifiably
Interesting point you raise - are there any non-combatant Israelis? With universal conscription / service and a very high proportion of people on the reserve surely all Israelis are potential combatants.
Not excusing any brutality on either side but couldn't one argue Israel has a total war society and therefore everyone is a legitimate target? - cf civilians in WW2.
You are righ , you can't compare palestinian resistance with I sraeli resistance, because their wasn't any....resistance against whome? the british government....hahaha....it was a charade....Israelis and british deserved an oscar for their performance....british zionist primeminister "Balfour" promised jews to give them palestine as a gift... jews were shipped from all over the world to palestine during the period of british Sovereignty on the middle east. without british tremendous assistance, jews couldn't establish their states in the place of palestine.
go back and read the british archive about that period and you can find lots of information, about the jewish terrorism in palestine, and how jewish terrorist groups (haganah...etc) used to kill palestenian civilians (beer ziet massacre...etc.) , plus british soldiers who were , secretly helping jews...can you imagine how impudent were the jewish terrorists...if you don't believe, do some research on ex-israeli prime minister, Mnahiem Baygen, he was on the wanted terrorist list of british government.
Oh , what an excellent excuse, israel is above the international laws, because jews are the chosen people.do you believe me now when I tell you that israelis are arrogant and rude. every country in this world should sign the non-proliferation pact, only israel can avoid doing that, plus can own more than 200 atomic warheads. baradie can't say a word to israel but can threaten Iran even that it does'nt have any atomic bomb. double standards of western government is unbelievable.
it doesn't matter if it's half or the whole prison, what's matteris how israei government is rediculing the international laws , and using warplanes and tanks to dimolish a prison in an occupied land under the supervision of US and british monitors
oh brave israeli soldiers , soldiers who are chosen by god.of course stupid you can't find any injury among israelis, when they dimolish the prison by bombing it with artillery from atleast 2 miles away then driftting and flattening it with huge military machins. what a brave israeli soldiers, I salute them.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Strangerous,
I am not saying that killing brits is legitimate. Killing is never legitimate. I was simply saying that Resistance can be defined as an armed struggle to liberate a land when the target is a military target. The British had full justification to arrest those who planned and executed any military operation against them and if those militants resorted to violence they would kill them as well. The British assassinated Avraham Stern in a manner much like Israelis kill Hamas military leaders as well.
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Your comparison here too is wrong. Palestinians killed over 1000 Israelis in the last 6 years. Most were civilians who were the targets. 232 British soldiers pales in the comparison. Israeli militants did not target cafes, restaurants or churches to kill the British.
Maybe you should visit Israel one day, get to know the people it will change your outlook on who we are.
. . . residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948. . .
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Malichai,
I fail to see how the quoteyou provided and your answer to that quote match but I'll make an effort to respond.
The conflict is a conflict of Palestinian freedom at the expense of an Israeli existance. now I will explain why:
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Strangerous over 3000 Palestinians lost their lives during the 6 year conflict. This statistics though is unreliable since it includes various deaths unrelatated to the conflict.
Your insistence on not buying Israeli friut is your loss. It is too bad you are brown-nosing the Arabs by engaging in their embargo but thats OK because I do not buy Arab products as well.
As for who I am I am an American Israeli living in Israel for almost 13 years now. How do my loyalties contribute to the discussion? Israel and the US are allies in the fight against terrorism. My loyalties are clear. What are your?
[edit on 19/3/06 by JudahMaccabbi]
Originally posted by Strangerous
No loss at all. I boycott many things I don't agree with.
My loyalties are to my country and all it stands for - no conflict / duality here
Israels existance is under greater threat because of the occupation. They gain nothing other than the land they take. You try to create a dichotomy where the only result can be the destruction of one or another. I believe that there can be another solution to the problems.
I know that asking you to imagine yourself in their position is not going to do any good, but I will say that because you cannot do this you will not understand why Israel faces this conflict. Your sympathies lie in one side, and all your energies are expended demonizing the other side.
I am afaid that if Israel does not offer a solution soon the results will not favor them in the future.
Hamas has offered a ceasefire in exchange for an Israeli withdraw. While it may not be everything Israel wants it is a place to begin discussions.
Originally posted by iqonx
same thing can be said about israeli deaths eveyrbody in israel has to serve in the millitry how do we know the people who are killed arnt reserve soldiers who are with out and about in civillians clothing becuase they just finished there days worth of millitry duty and they decided to go out to a night club? fact is israel is very devious in the way it describes the people that die it always says for example 7 womeen and 5 men where killed but what it doesnt say is if those people where civillains or reserve soldiers on a break.
i remeber i think a while back a suicide bomb was detonated near a bus stop and some guy from the israeli government was on the media and he said an israeli women was kille dby a sucide bomb and that was an act of terrorism but what was later revealed as the story progressed and more information came forward and leaked out to the internation media was that woman was actually on her way to the millitry base and was a reserve soldier and i have no doubt that he knew thats why he carefully used those words to describe her. and this is what is devious about israel they always try to pass on there reserve soldiers as civillians when ever they can while trying to pass of all palestinains as terrorists or human shields.
No Israel = No Terrorism