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Originally posted by Hellmutt
At the frontpage of Danish newspapers today. Picture of Condi with an angry face and the headline is something like "Condi warns Europe!". They claim she said something along the lines of "if Europe doesn´t co-operate with The U.S., then they will be struck by terror!"
Care to back that, Jakomo?
Maybe HRW or Amnesty International has some documentation that confirms what transpires at those CIA secret prisons for runaway terrorists and foreign fighters? Could you produce such or are you simply living off of the memories of Abu Ghriab?
Originally posted by Souljah
Citizen of Germany was Kidnapped when he step from his airplane in Macedonia and was taken with a CIA charter flight to some of the Secret Detention Camps
German authorities helped CIA
German authorities helped CIA of referring to kidnapped El-Masri
came from local safety circuits/not bare confusion of names/American knew identity
German security authorities obviously carry a joint responsibility for the arrest and kidnapping of the the German-Libanese Khaled el-Masri by the American secret service CIA. [...]
""possibly we made the CIA on El-Masri attentive by information, which we exchanged with the US authorities“ [...]
The US authorities search world-wide for a presumed El-Kaida-member, that entangles into the notices from 11 September 2001 in the USA to have been is and which for same name as the German-Libanese living in new Ulm carries. [...]
This identity of names was obviously also the reason, why El-Masri was arrested on 31 December 2003 into Macedonia by there safety forces and handed over to the Americans.
These kidnapped the man to Afghanistan, where it sat up to its release at the end of of May 2004 in the prison. After El-Masris data he was not there however even asked after his alleged participation on 11 September.
Rather its US interrogators would have inquired always only details from the new Ulmer Islamic scene. So they wanted to know about, who in-collects money there whether men went out of this scene to Chechnya and which activities it gives in the new Ulmer to multi-cultural center.
The interrogators would have asked again and again also for Reda Seyam, an acquaintance of El-Masri and presumed extremist, which live in Germany and are estimated of the Americans as very dangerous.
According to opinion of the police officer this speaks for it that the US interrogators in Afghanistan knew completely exactly, which El-Masri it before itself had.
Originally posted by Jakomo
Um, no. I am using something known as "COMMON SENSE".
No, I don't. Because they are secret.
Because it's a secret prison run by the Central Intelligence Agency.
How do I know that they are doing illegal things there?
You talk a good line, like a good liberal trooper that you are, but in all that talk of common sense and secrets, I find what you say to be quite dubious, ludicrous, and hilarious.....
Common sense does to equate to common knowledge, Jakomo, as such:
Your right, I should not have asked you.
I should have used common sense.
I figured you had the answers instead of more assertions.
Apparently, I was wrong.
I should have asked Humans Rights Watch, which can somehow miraculously produce common sense-based assertions in relation to revealing those CIA secrets concerning those secret CIA prisons, all the while using common sense to reveal with sureness the secret torturing that goes on within those particularly secret CIA prisons.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by Seekerof
How can those European nations be worried over fundamantal human rights going unchecked when they themselves are complicit in what the CIA is doing?
Can you support this statement?
I'm certain covert elements in some European nations are cooperating with these tactics. But I doubt all. And in any event, the policies of covert government agencies very often do not reflect the same ideals as the governments themselves.
The European Union secretly allowed the United States to use transit facilities on European soil to transport "criminals" in 2003, according to a previously unpublished document. The revelation contradicts repeated EU denials that it knew of "rendition" flights by the CIA.
The EU agreed to give America access to facilities - presumably airports - in confidential talks in Athens during which the war on terror was discussed, the original minutes show. But all references to the agreement were deleted from the record before it was published.
But this section, and others referring to US policy, were deleted - as a "courtesy" to Washington, according to a spokesman for the EU Council of Ministers.
Tony Bunyan, of the Statewatch civil liberties group which obtained the original document, said: "What kind of facilities are these and how many people work there? That phrase suggests the US is being allowed to use airports in Europe to transport criminals from third countries."