It isn't even that effective against normal flu - there's an evidence based review from two or three years back somewhere that I've read recently
that gives it a thumbs down. I'm just about to close the machine down - so I'll find the links tomorrow.
NEWS: Report: Tamiflu "Useless" Against H5N1 Bird Flu, page 1
Topic started on 4-12-2005 @ 06:42 PM by soficrow
A Vietnamese doctor who has treated 41 victims of H5N1 bird flu says Tamiflu was not designed to combat H5N1 and is useless against the virus. Dr.
Nguyen Tuong Van runs the intensive care unit of the Center for Tropical Diseases in Hanoi. She followed World Health Organization guidelines but
concludes Tamiflu had no effect on H5N1. Van says modern technology like ventilators and dialysis machines are needed to help H5N1 bird flu victims
stay alive by supporting their liver, kidneys and other vital organs.
www.sciencedaily.com
A Vietnamese doctor with experience in treating avian flu says Tamiflu, the drug being stockpiled for treatment of avian flue is useless against the virus. ...Dr. Nguyen Tuong Van of the Centre for Tropical Diseases in Hanoi has treated 41 victims of H5N1, following World Health Organization guidelines and administering Tamiflu to her patients. She told the Sunday Times of London the medicine had no effect.
"We place no importance on using this drug on our patients," she said. "Tamiflu is really only meant for treating ordinary type A flu. It was not designed to combat H5N1."
The newspaper said the finding casts doubt on the British government's pandemic flu policy. The nation's top medical official, Sir Liam Donaldson, has ordered 15 million doses of Tamiflu be stockpiled. ...Van said the only way to keep avian flu patients alive is to "support" all their vital organs -- including the liver and kidneys -- with modern technology like ventilators and dialysis machines, the Sunday Times reported.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Most nations' pandemic flu policies rely on Tamiflu or a generic copy of the drug. Prevention strategies recommended by scientists as an alternative have been consistently dismissed, most recently at October's international bird flu conference in Canada.
The writing was on the wall for Tamiflu when H5N1 bird flu broke out in 1997 in Hong Kong - and the fatality rate was 70% with Tamiflu treatment.
ATS members have been discussing Tamiflu's dangers, limitations, profitability and beneficiaries for some time:
Tamiflu Linked to Death of 2 Teens
Donald Rumsfeld & Gilead Sciences
Rumsfeld Out Of Bird Flu Planning
More International Coverage
Tamiflu useless against avian flu
www.upi.com...
www.timesonline.co.uk...
news.webindia123.com...
www.menafn.com...
www.newkerala.com...
story.northkoreatimes.com...
www.sciencedaily.com
A Vietnamese doctor with experience in treating avian flu says Tamiflu, the drug being stockpiled for treatment of avian flue is useless against the virus. ...Dr. Nguyen Tuong Van of the Centre for Tropical Diseases in Hanoi has treated 41 victims of H5N1, following World Health Organization guidelines and administering Tamiflu to her patients. She told the Sunday Times of London the medicine had no effect.
"We place no importance on using this drug on our patients," she said. "Tamiflu is really only meant for treating ordinary type A flu. It was not designed to combat H5N1."
The newspaper said the finding casts doubt on the British government's pandemic flu policy. The nation's top medical official, Sir Liam Donaldson, has ordered 15 million doses of Tamiflu be stockpiled. ...Van said the only way to keep avian flu patients alive is to "support" all their vital organs -- including the liver and kidneys -- with modern technology like ventilators and dialysis machines, the Sunday Times reported.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Most nations' pandemic flu policies rely on Tamiflu or a generic copy of the drug. Prevention strategies recommended by scientists as an alternative have been consistently dismissed, most recently at October's international bird flu conference in Canada.
The writing was on the wall for Tamiflu when H5N1 bird flu broke out in 1997 in Hong Kong - and the fatality rate was 70% with Tamiflu treatment.
ATS members have been discussing Tamiflu's dangers, limitations, profitability and beneficiaries for some time:
Tamiflu Linked to Death of 2 Teens
Donald Rumsfeld & Gilead Sciences
Rumsfeld Out Of Bird Flu Planning
More International Coverage
Tamiflu useless against avian flu
www.upi.com...
www.timesonline.co.uk...
news.webindia123.com...
www.menafn.com...
www.newkerala.com...
story.northkoreatimes.com...
reply posted on 5-12-2005 @ 03:58 AM by hands
How the media caught tamiflu
This is from the BMJ and is a salutary piece about the credentials of so called 'independent' experts.
(Not sure if the content at this link will remain free to air but is available now)
Systematic Review of Tamiflu
A systematic review of the use of Tamiflu in *normal* influenza. Note that even in normal influenza, there are resistant strain rates of 4% in adults and 18% in children. (NB Children are often quoted as the group most likely to be key transmitters in epidemics / pandemics)
This is from the BMJ and is a salutary piece about the credentials of so called 'independent' experts.
(Not sure if the content at this link will remain free to air but is available now)
Systematic Review of Tamiflu
A systematic review of the use of Tamiflu in *normal* influenza. Note that even in normal influenza, there are resistant strain rates of 4% in adults and 18% in children. (NB Children are often quoted as the group most likely to be key transmitters in epidemics / pandemics)
reply posted on 5-12-2005 @ 09:22 AM by soficrow
Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Dr. Nguyen Tuong Van is a fraud , i bet he downloaded his doctorate certificate from imafakedoctor.com and has no idea just like every doctor ive ever seen with a similar name.
Your references are supremely flawed - for one thing, Dr. Van is a woman, and she runs the intensive care unit. BTW - do you have any links?
Originally posted by hands
Bird Flu Hype infects Biotech
A connected piece to this topic...
The closing paragraph of the article you linked highlights the real crisis here - the bird flu pandemic is being (mis)handled as a potential "market" - not a looming public health crisis.
"Whether this is a real market is hard to know," said Ken Trbovich, an analyst with RBC Capital Markets. "There is potential, but it's like holding a lottery ticket right now."
marg - good question. Do you have any research on Gilead/Tamiflu stock values?
hands - great info.
...So Tamiflu isn't even that good for ordinary flu.
.
[edit on 5-12-2005 by soficrow]
reply posted on 5-12-2005 @ 10:04 AM by marg6043
Well it seems that when the hipe of the bird flue pandemic their stocks went from 35 to 47 dollars.
Obviously this is one of the biotech company that is so politically well-connected. Also the Federal government is one of the world’s biggest customers for Tamiflu.
Spending tax payer money in orders of 59 million dollars worth of it for the treatment of the troops around the world.
They are expecting sales this year to top 1 billion dollars.
Funny with the side effects our soldiers should think two times before getting the shots.
I see how well connected is our government when it comes to financially support their own political leaders that are in the corporate business.
I thought that's called Conflicts of Interest? Oh . . . I forgot not under the present administration.
money.cnn.com...
I guess when it comes to manufacturing pandemic in order to gain profits is all fair and square in our capitalistic economy.
Fears of a pandemic and the ensuing scramble for Tamiflu have sent Gilead's stock from $35 to $47. That's made the Pentagon chief, already one of the wealthiest members of the Bush cabinet, at least $1 million richer.
Obviously this is one of the biotech company that is so politically well-connected. Also the Federal government is one of the world’s biggest customers for Tamiflu.
Spending tax payer money in orders of 59 million dollars worth of it for the treatment of the troops around the world.
They are expecting sales this year to top 1 billion dollars.
Funny with the side effects our soldiers should think two times before getting the shots.
I see how well connected is our government when it comes to financially support their own political leaders that are in the corporate business.
I thought that's called Conflicts of Interest? Oh . . . I forgot not under the present administration.
money.cnn.com...
I guess when it comes to manufacturing pandemic in order to gain profits is all fair and square in our capitalistic economy.
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