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Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

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posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
ANRD= ANON or "Sepro fiction writer" who is "spooking" ATS. 100% fact

Retired 30 year high security clearance "bird" is not going to ever, ever ever, admit to anything that is still classified or even while suspecting that it remains classified EVER, EVER EVER admit to either involvement in or acknowledgement of said projects exsitence. Not even a "false" project. A cooked CIA/NSA project used and leaked to intimitate rival agents or Nation States.



WRONG. This is a generalized statement made from your experience with one person. My cousin was a top project manager in the Skunk Works. The projects he worked on were so classified his wife wouldn't know where he was going to be working on any given day. She would have to phone into a centralized number where they would dispatch her message and then he would call her back. He never gave anything on the details of what he was working on, but he (and her) told me the above contemporaneous to him working on those black projects.

It's all dependent on the person as to how much they are willing to divulge. And it's also dependent on where they are in their lives. Some people reach an age, or a level of awareness, or shift in values that make them to decide to talk sooner than others.

We're all still humans, not robots.




posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by heelstone
A good rule to live by if you're into the subject of UFOs/ETs is to not pay attention to anonymous or unverifiable sources.



I believe that this is one of the most important Quote's I have ever heard.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 11:37 AM
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I just have a gut instinct this is fake, amongst other things.. an advanced civilisation cabable of intergalactic travel, just CANT understand our system of time.? Even when "We sent them our Earth's rotation schedule, revolution, date system, etc. For some reason, the Eben's never understood this."

They could'nt understand such a simple concept as this, whether they believe in "time" or not, is it a stretch to imagine other races may count their time based on this simple factor of their own planets day/night cycle? This just does'nt ring true no matter how advanced or alien they may be, if they can travel the cosmos
they should be able to figure out a primitives time system?!

I believe in UFO's but this person is'nt doing the cause any good by badly written fakes. It might make a good episode of Star Trek. If your reading this dude try Hollywood ok????



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
ANRD= ANON or "Sepro fiction writer" who is "spooking" ATS. 100% fact

I see I wasn't the only one who suspected this. I did a search and this is the only post this member has ever made.


Originally posted by ANRD
Anonymous is telling the truth.

ANRD, are you out there? Care to comment?



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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Update...

I completed an interview with a person employed as a "document security analyst" by the National Security Agency, just now. It was very interesting and enlightening and may help (or may not help) with our understanding of what is going on with respect to the Project Serpo story.

I cannot post the transcript of the interview yet because the terms included that I send a transcript of the interview to the NSA for review and approval by my contact's supervisor before it is released. I am told that I should get approval to release the transcript, with any redactions required by the NSA, later this afternoon or tomorrow.

Their requirements for the interview were fairly lengthy and strictly enforced, so while I'm waiting for approval, I'll prepare a brief summary of the events. Perhaps by the time that's ready, I'll have the go-ahead to post the transcript.

Stay tuned....



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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Anon is a Linda Howe wantabe. He wants attention and to strut his ego and convince us that he is something important. He not only wants to be Linda Howe he even got his original information from Linda Howe. He took her story and changed it a bit and now calls it his own. Eavesdroppers in the media/government do it all the time. They always steal information through their eavesdropping, change it just a bit and right a book. The oldest trick in the book.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Valhall

It's all dependent on the person as to how much they are willing to divulge. And it's also dependent on where they are in their lives. Some people reach an age, or a level of awareness, or shift in values that make them to decide to talk sooner than others.

We're all still humans, not robots.


Almost totally agree with this, however there might be some robots amongst us
. To have a form of clearance must at times be quite stressful on your personal life. Imagine not being able to share any of your achievements with your loved ones.

If ANON and his 5 colleagues are truthful etc. I can imagine the FEAR they must experience of getting "caught". They surely realize that their ANON status will be short-lived and there might be "not so nice" consequences for them personally (or am I overly paranoid again?). Let's hope the saga continue and they do not stop their "disclosure" exercise.


A pity they are stretching it out like this....wonder why?

This "Serpo story" made me do a bit of "googling" and I am astonishing at how many places and by different people, more or less the same "ET exchange" program has been mentioned/exposed before (true or not). For interest, this person did a lot of work to write

[edit on 5-12-2005 by jgbjgb]this up.

[edit on 5-12-2005 by jgbjgb]



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 04:30 PM
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I have been following this topic since the original thread was posted on here, which for whatever reason was strangely ignored! I am still undecided as to wether it is fact based or a complete fabrication but one thing that I don't think has been mentioned although it is possible I may have missed it is although I am no scientist If the EBEN's only form of time keeping was through the position of there sun If I recall correctly in some sort of ancient sundial type device and I think it mentioned some sort of communal way where they just knew when to start or finish certain tasks then how on earth could they have developed into a technologically advanced civilisation as time or some way of accurately measuring time not neccesarily minutes seconds hours etc would be needed to form all sorts of calculations from simple equations such as accelaration to I'm sure the more difficult task of conquring the speed of light!!!



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 05:16 PM
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whiterabbit you are correct, a function of time keeping independant of the "local" sun would be required to navigate across the star systems.

the EBEN's who were transplanted onto this paticular world from their home planet. Used a "sun tower" to track the movement of the 43hour period.

Question is, since their home planet is somewhere else and presumably at another "Star" then how did the EBEN record time previous to them arriving on this paticular planet.

In regards to space travel, once seperated from their base planet and archaic means of tracking time. They would have to know the orbital cycle of some planetary bodies considering they are traveling a distance of 37 light years in 9 months and later in the much shorter time of 4 months. I have not sure what that speed calculates out to but its very fast in terms of cosmic distance travelled.

You must have a measure of time as you correctly stated to judge acceleration and distance to egress points, way points, etc To navigagte between planets they would have to know "WHERE" the planet is going to be when they get there otherwise risk being maybe 1 billion miles off.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 05:22 PM
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5 December: clarification by Victor Martinez

Anonymous writes 85% of the material; another 13% comes from another source directly connected with the project; and the final 1-2% comes from a "ghost," who cancels his e-mail account as soon as he sends his information. [BR: this may explain some of the apparent stylistic and grammatical differences in the various postings.]



Curiouser and curiouser.




posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 05:37 PM
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Has anyone seen the last item now posted on the Consistencies page?

In the post there you can now find images of what are alleged top secret documents.

Here: (scroll to the bottom)

www.serpo.org...



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 05:38 PM
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Great thread!

This is the type of investigation that appeals to me, and I am sure a majority of ATS members/lurkers. I have been following this thread since its inception, and have thoroughly enjoyed the journey. Whether true or not, it is giving the members of this site something constructive to do.

Although my knowledge of the subject matter is sorely lacking, and anything I would have to contribute to this subject would be merely opinion, there is nothing more intriguiging than this type of story. Especially when ATS members who are not affraid to work get involved.

I have a funny feeling that when/if disclosure does become a reality and all my friends and family are flattened by the news, I'll be able to smile apologetically and say that I've been following the news for months. That should be quite the satisfying day!

I hope the intensity of disclosure information increases over time, and I wish everyone actively participating in this thread good luck.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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The MJ12 documents are highly suspect. I would not base any facts on those documents.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by UM_Gazz



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5 December: clarification by Victor Martinez

Anonymous writes 85% of the material; another 13% comes from another source directly connected with the project; and the final 1-2% comes from a "ghost," who cancels his e-mail account as soon as he sends his information. [BR: this may explain some of the apparent stylistic and grammatical differences in the various postings.]



Curiouser and curiouser.



Sounds like CYA backtracking to me. Something you do when you catch your own mistakes when telling a lie or someone starts to sniff it out, so you say "Oh I forgot to tell you this important piece of info". Why are we hearing this now? The old alien autopsy used this a lot where "new" info would pop up to explain inconsistancies...

I haven't bagged this yet, but this story just took a step backwards for me. Yeah I know someone will disagree and cut them some slack. That's fine, I want to believe them too, so I will keep reading.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by Boogie

I haven't bagged this yet, but this story just took a step backwards for me. Yeah I know someone will disagree and cut them some slack. That's fine, I want to believe them too, so I will keep reading.


Steps backward, CYA, and all the rest. I agree with everything you've said. The past two posts in the comments section have made this go more and more south in my eyes.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Has anyone seen the last item now posted on the Consistencies page?

In the post there you can now find images of what are alleged top secret documents.

Here: (scroll to the bottom)

www.serpo.org...


This line in that list of 12 is interesting to me.

3) Intelligent beings other than Homo Sapiens Sapiens are conducting various missions on this planet. These beings have been coming here for tens of thousands of years.

So whats that saying? A: Abductions aren't by any homo sapiens sapiens B: Hominids other than homo sapiens sapiens could be doing things? C: We've had contact into prehistory.
Obviously thats my view i do however find that line very strange especially the use of that term homo sapien sapien.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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Today's Show: Ask the NSA!

What I have to report doesn't make things look any better. I can't say it makes things truly look any worse, though, since this story is starting to bear all the earmarkings of a not-so-well implemented hoax... but let me play devil's advocate with respect to the recent two postings...

First, neither post was made by Anonymous. One was the supposed list owner's comment. The odd thing in there was the reference that "the ghost" cancelled his email account after each use. Does that mean that he tried to send mail to "the ghost" and it got bounced? Or is he throwing that bone in there to give the story a little more mystery. I dunno. I don't read much into this post though.

Second is the MJ-12 "consistency". I'm guessing that Bill Ryan put this up there when someone suggested that the material is consistent with Anonymous' story. I don't know how this could have any effect -- the MJ-12 documents have been around for years. Anonymous could just as easily have concocted his story based on the MJ-12 documents (and many other docs, including FOIA docs) as he is actually reading from some mystical debriefing manual (where are the pictures of that?!?) This second post, again, is not being attributed to Anonymous... but it's not helping to detract from the growing wave of skepticism.

I found yesterday's comments about the "old colonel" a little strange. Now, I've never had a security clearance, so I can't say that my problem with this statement comes from personal knowledge, but I work with a number of people who did have relatively high level clearances, due to their military service or work in various federal agencies. I asked around and found someone who knew an "Analyst" at the NSA who might be willing to talk to me about whether the "old colonel" and Anonymous might have been breaking any laws with what they've said. Why does this matter to me? Read posting 5 of Anonymous and you'll see why. He claims that he and his colleagues are trying to release information with some sort of "sanction". He even blacks-out names in his writing, as if to give them the appearance of official, redacted documents. This just strikes me funny.

So, my friend got in touch with his friend at NSA and arranged for me to contact this guy and ask some question. Here is a transcript of our conversation that took place this morning. I sent the transcript back to my contact at NSA for "approval" and they sent it back with a few words removed.

My contact told me the words were removed because they need to research whether the terms he used are acceptable, not because he gave me any classified information.

Overall the discussion helped convince me that the old colonel story is questionable, but not particularly unlikely. I still have some problems with posting #5, but someone, somewhere, may actually have something.

To follow-up, I'm going to make the FOIA requests for Project Serpo, Project Prose, Project Spreo, and Project Spore. Maybe a few more.

edit: it was too long
Shortened it up to stick to the points.


[edit on 5-12-2005 by Centrist]



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 10:52 PM
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I have noticed that the originally poster of this thread has just joined recently and now has used their contacts to verify this story. Just wondering.



posted on Dec, 5 2005 @ 11:06 PM
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Me? Just joined? Using contacts to verify the story?

Uh... I used my contacts to prove nothing
As for verifying the story, I don't agree. I'm simply not passing judgment and trying to verify what I can. Also, if you read through the thread, you might see that I'm not overly sold on the story... just interested to see where it goes




Second is the MJ-12 "consistency". I'm guessing that Bill Ryan put this up there when someone suggested that the material is consistent with Anonymous' story. I don't know how this could have any effect -- the MJ-12 documents have been around for years. Anonymous could just as easily have concocted his story based on the MJ-12 documents (and many other docs, including FOIA docs) as he is actually reading from some mystical debriefing manual (where are the pictures of that?!?) This second post, again, is not being attributed to Anonymous... but it's not helping to detract from the growing wave of skepticism. me -- a little while ago


Not sure where you get the verifying thing from. But at least I got a chance to quote myself.


[edit on 5-12-2005 by Centrist]



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 12:42 AM
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Thats some quality work from the Centrist man
. I found that interview quite interesting, and its nice to see that someone is doing something.



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