Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by Centrist

Originally posted by lucianarchy
"spew" ? dear boy, don't take this as being patronising, but your use of one word is enough to see right through you.

There are a lot of things that seem a little strange lately, but lets avoid this turning into a skeptics vs. believers discussion. Anyone who is satisfied that this is a hoax, is certainly welcome to do so, but should be respectful of those of us who wish to continue the discussion.

As for the question regarding my involvement, it's quite simple. I saw the Serpo site and posted a thread. Read back through ATS for late november, you'll see I was actually busy researching FOIA documents on crashed UFO's, Von Neumann probes, and other topics at the same time I posted this thread.

Also, read through THIS thread and you'll see that I was not the person who brought Bill Ryan to this thread. We never communicated until Bill found my post on EO12589 and wrote to me asking if he could forward it to Victor's list. After that, I was asked if I would like to join Victor's list. I agreed. Here we are today. I'm no more or less convinced of the truth of Anon's story, but I'm keeping an open mind until we can prove something one way or another.

centrist, i was referring to another poster's choice of words, not questioning your involvement.

Originally posted by lucianarchy
centrist, i was referring to another poster's choice of words, not questioning your involvement.

my boy, he was responding both to our previous banter - as well as to my earlier request for more information from him regarding how he first learned of the Serpo website.

Originally posted by rdube02

Originally posted by lucianarchy
centrist, i was referring to another poster's choice of words, not questioning your involvement.

my boy, he was responding both to our previous banter - as well as to my earlier request for more information from him regarding how he first learned of the Serpo website.

i stand corrected, old chap.

Originally posted by Centrist

Originally posted by lucianarchy
"spew" ? dear boy, don't take this as being patronising, but your use of one word is enough to see right through you.

There are a lot of things that seem a little strange lately, but lets avoid this turning into a skeptics vs. believers discussion. Anyone who is satisfied that this is a hoax, is certainly welcome to do so, but should be respectful of those of us who wish to continue the discussion.

I come here to get to the bottom of urban legends - i hunt for factual evidence.
where are the pictures - sorry? podcast tells me the pics aint available anymore... how coincidental ? check my earlier post on these so called vaporware pics...
Hook line n sinker.
When you start saying about personal gripes agaisnt others - surly posting this stuff you didnt expect some element in the grand scheme of things to question you?
get the pictures posted - as i said earlier they wont appear - will they mr ryan.

Another john tartar story... hahaha

Hello,

Long time lurker here myself but had to put a piece of my mind regarding the Serpo thread. I don't work for the government but am an honest soon to be 34 year old worker as a graphic artist and part-time barista--free caffeine for me..and am hearing-impaired which gives me the ability to SEE through things if not hear what's truly said. I'm now living in the New England area formerly from Ohio (long story) so I give myself permission to say that, if some of you don't mind .
I must admit that I have not listened to any of the Podcasts nor any interviews on Coast to Coast AM lately since that would be one of my friend's addictions and not mine.
I'm not going to bash nor praise but rather point a few things out regarding Project Serpo.
After having read the Serpo website, I was fascinated by the story itself and being a huge fan--and I mean fanatically huge--of Spielberg's CE3K which will always burn in my memory till I die and that having its link to some of the Holloman AFB myths and lore as well as the Roswellian tales, I was intriqued even more.

But noticing the name Serpo threw me off. I checked online for references of the English syntax for Serpo and ended up with the latin phrase which meant "To creep up" which is the definition of Serpo. The question that lies in my mind was:

1. Did the military/intelligence officials deliberately CHOOSE that name as an operational code-name for the project or was it truly the name of the Eben's homeworld? If it was the Ebens, then would'nt it have a different name because the word Serpo probably would not have been part of their language/definition...I think? I admit I never read Streiber's book on that subject except for Communion which he kindly autographed for me in person at a book signing.

2. Even if it's not Serpo, why not call it Project Eben? Why does the word Eben sound familiar to Eden? Where does the word Eben come from if not the original homeworld name? We may be humans, but we did'nt call this planet HUMAN but rather Earth. So, would'nt it be proper to refer them as 'humanoid Ebenians'?
And why else does Eben sound too familiar to the code phrase of EBE (extra-terrestrial biological entity)?

3. Serpo was probably inspired by the name of the cop Serpico, then again this is extremely unlikely of a scenario.

Another thing that bothered me was the idea of the 12 crew men and/or women going off to Serpo in 1965 and returning in 1978(?). If this return took place in 1978 and CE3K was made and released in 1977 in theaters, then how did Spielberg know the hypothetical outcome right before they supposedly returned? Then again, I'm assuming he based his film on what actually happened on the exchange in 1965 and not of their return...perhaps their return is 'reflected' by the status of those missing WWII pilots? One thing I asked myself was in regards to the film..."Why bother with the exchange if the aliens already took the human pilots in WWII? Did they leave one EBE behind while Roy Neary walks into the ship?". The novel and film does'nt portray that part, I don't think, if memory serves me properly.

However, after reading the passage of 12 men/women returning and the phrase 'something went wrong' and only 8 remained....I cannot help but have a feeling that this must be based on some film or comic book/graphic novels (yes, I read them but I also have been published in the small press..not bad for a deaf creator, eh?). Something is ringing in the back of my head telling me that this particular passage is screaming "Comic book rip off". This kind of theme of 8 returning heroes/astronauts/protagonists feels so familiar and I cannot place it.

But perhaps, it really happened..I can't vouch for sure, however the journal passages seemed very basic to me in crude writing. If I were the 'skipper', I'd describe what the ship actually looked like and the size, etc. After all, if I were trained in Intelligence, a detailed description of an enemy's movements, structures, infrastructure, weapons, behavior, etc...would've been paramount for dissection and analysis.

Did they use a tape recorder to describe their experiences? I'd gather not because of possible electro-magnetic concerns, maybe? Their watches probably would'nt work properly on the ship due to electro-magnetic activity..perhaps?
Especially the part about them getting sick during hyper-space travel seems plausible due to our bodies unable to adapt to that environment..after all, this was the first time humans travelled this far and EBEs must've built this chamber-room designed for them to stay in the 'bubble' until hyper-travel is at the end-phase and it was safe to come out of it...I kind of think of it as being in a radioactive room at a nuclear plant and you have to go through certain measures and safety protocols to go from one area to another before you get the 'greenlight' to take your suit off and go home, etc.
So the analogy of those protocols are similar, I gather.

As for the supposed photos as evidence, I await to see them and yet dread it in the same time. I use Photoshop often and know that images can be faked if done well but have to keep this in mind that even if the photos look very real, they can still be faked by using the highest end 3-D/CGI modelling applications. Take a good look at Lord of the Rings and you can see how they can render EBEs so realistically since Gollum can be fully realized. All it take is the super-imposition of photographic stills of the 12 crewmen/women and the CGI-rendered Ebenians. One could get actors to look like people from the 1960s with mannerisms, military crew cuts/butch hair and side-burns with jumpsuits (to which I imagine they wore jumpsuits similar to NASA's).
But if the photos end up to be real, then bravo to Anonymous. But....BUT...why end up with still photographs when they could have brought film camera reels with them? I imagine at the time they would've had to use large format cameras...16 or 32mm, I believe? Why not film their experiences inside the ship en route to Serpo and back? Did they do that? Did'nt the 'skipper' say "Okay..we're filming inside the ship with permission of EBE-2 (or whoever)".
I don't SEE this kind of intelligent use of journaling like that and often wonder....How were they able to process and develop photographs in Serpo? If they ran out of chemical developers, how would they be able to take more snapshots?
I don't profess to be a scientist even though most of the data presented dealing with planetary revolution movement, axis, cyclical changes or light year measurements usually go through my head however I get a good grasp of things since I took astronomy years ago in community college. So I ask again--Is the Serpo planet" within the Zeti Reticuli system surrounded by Double/ Binary stars as I understand it to be?

Another problem I see with the logic of 12 people returning to Earth seemed to be...odd. Whoever stayed behind in Serpo must've been smart to do so. How can the military force the 12 men to be obligatory to return or else face consequences? What kind of leverage or hold would they have on them to force them to complete the mission as a obligatory duty? Where is the government's insurance that the 12 men/women are to return?
If I were sent to Serpo, I'd not return back to Earth.
Think about it..they were 'sheep dipped', right? That means, no connections to credit cards, financial institutions and such. Records deemed them 'dead'. So why return to Earth to revive your status quo and be hooked up back on the credit system unless the military offered to wipe their IDs clean and that their financial obligations would be non-existent and be financially comfortable for the rest of their lives? I greatly imagine that they would have to get new IDs once again under a special program.
I would think that those 12 would be this crafty enough to stay up there, infiltrate, get to know other races and use that technology as leverage on our world/civilization. If I were sent there, I would be in a powerful position to 'blow the lid' off on the UFO truths and lead the EBEs on an open front on Earth.

But all this description of going to Serpo..slightly reminds me of the famous John Carter of Mars series (I'm not knocking literature which I have respect for)...which is now coming back to my mind.

If this is a hoax which I strongly think it is, then the whole thing was definitely 'lifted' from another source or a mish-mash of stories very cleverly inter-woven. But if this appears to be real...then..I'll give it credence...if proven with strong evidence. I don't want auditorial evidence of a Podcast..but rather visual. I want to SEE it, not HEAR it.

Thanks and always look up in the skies...

Sanctum1972

the planet serpo, was deemed that from the personal who worked on it. it was seiu or something like that.

true skeptic,

you do know mr.ryan was invited to participate in this forum discussion?
no need to jump at the guy, sheesh

incredulous "john tarter story -haha" nothing like taunting someone out of ignorance...Ha-Ha

[edit on 18-1-2006 by waffleprime]

Great analysis, Sanctum!! One thing I've been thinking on, and it's no big deal or anything, but I find it interesting that the 12 humans were free to go wherever they wished. Even roam among the population, including observing eben children. That would imply that the Eben society accepts as fact that life exists elsewhere. The existence of Humans, even witnessing a human in person is not a jaw dropping event to the Ebens. Where as here on Earth, any visitor has to be kept concealed in an underground base. Can you imagine if a group of Eben visitors moved into your neighborhood.

[edit on 18-1-2006 by Jeddyhi]

Originally posted by Jeddyhi
Great analysis, Sanctum!!

One thing I've been thinking on, and it's no big deal or anything, but I find it interesting that the 12 humans were free to go wherever they wished. Even roam among the population, including observing eben children. That would imply that the Eben society accepts as fact that life exists elsewhere. The existence of Humans, even witnessing a human in person is not a jaw dropping event to the Ebens. Where as here on Earth, any visitor has to be kept concealed in an underground base. Can you imagine if a group of Eben visitors moved into your neighborhood.

[edit on 18-1-2006 by Jeddyhi]

Thanks Jeddyhi...that's what I was thinking. It's ironic comparable to our behavior and their's, is'nt it? But, however if the 12 wanted to return to Earth because of harsh conditions and preferring to re-experience ice cream, McDonald's, porn industry, be around more humans..etc...well..who could blame them?

-Sanctum1972

Originally posted by Sanctum1972
Long time lurker here myself but had to put a piece of my mind regarding the Serpo thread. I don't work for the government but am an honest soon to be 34 year old worker as a graphic artist and part-time barista--free caffeine for me..and am hearing-impaired which gives me the ability to SEE through things if not hear what's truly said. I'm now living in the New England area formerly from Ohio (long story) so I give myself permission to say that, if some of you don't mind

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Sanctum - I wanted to thank you for your post. I do believe that many of those who are hearing-impaired do keenly develop many of their other senses as a result. I was impressed by your post - it was a good analysis and you know, I kicked myself for not noticing how similar Eben and Eden is... True as well, the choice of "Serpo" as project name is interesting.

Thanks for your input - and stick with us...it'll be an interesting ride. I think the more insight and analytical thinkers we have - the better off we will be. Thanks again for posting - now I'm going to go home and watch Close Encounters again...

-rdube02

It would seem that the courts are not concerned with the truth.. just what can be proven in that court. And if you don't have proof that a jury or judge would find credible, then your busted.. they throw you in jail, and they throw away the key.

Our court system is the only thing we can utilize to gauge the truth in certin circumstances and has been for a very long time. Its worked up to this point so why not use it gauge the authenticity of what now lays before us. And in doing so, none of this would stand up. The best witness has disappeared.

When I got involved by creating the website in mid-November, I never imagined for a moment I'd be speaking on radio shows, writing articles, speaking at a conference (and, btw, at the conference, I'll have a film crew following me around for a major documentary)... and answering questions like this in the most prestigious discussion forum of its kind. I was just trying to help out

Mr. Ryan's motives could be questioned. (A documentary......major at that....not to shabby)

Third party testimony, less than unsubstantiated evidence, if it can even be called evidence.

At this piont, and I've said it before, it has become an occult, especially when words like hope and dreams are used. If you are offended by this post than you probably fall in that occult category.

Not trying to destroy any dreams out there just want you to consider the rational side. I'd sooner believe that we know the location of Santa's workshop than having sent 12 people to another solar system based on what we've been given to this point.

I am sad at the way this debate is going!

Simply put, perhaps Aonymous is just plain -- sick, with the flu or similiar!

I repeat for the aggressively impaired thinking (because you could not feel sick because you are just drunks or something), that perhaps Anonymous is just plain sick!

For all those Brave humans, who have helped with Humanity and from those who have and continue to have sacrificed their Freedom to help other people's Freedom, who may have died going out in Space and for the ones that did die, being made of the Right Stuff and gracing Humanity with their Presence:

A Moment of Silence in Deep Reflection and Prayer!




[edit on 18-1-2006 by AmoebaSized]

Our court system is the only thing we can utilize to gauge the truth in certin circumstances and has been for a very long time. Its worked up to this point so why not use it gauge the authenticity of what now lays before us. And in doing so, none of this would stand up. The best witness has disappeared.

Paleeze.............. first, try telling this to those who have been convicted in error and spent the majority of their life in prison or worse yet - were executed!!

Second - this discussion never once ventured to be about PROOF of anything. It WAS (and I do mean WAS) a discussion among very intelligent and seemingly respectful individuals willing to explore possibilities.

I'm VERY disappointed with the way this discussion has now turned - thanks to a few who have joined late and seem hell bent on turning it into a flame fest.

If you aren't interested in having an intelligent discussion about the possibilities within the Serpo story context - GO AWAY.

Originally posted by mj 09
I haven't much to add except that in "Exempt from Disclosure", an informant is quoted as saying another exchange trip was to be made april 24, 1997.

What page was this on?

Who was the source?

I guess I must have missed it?


Thanks,

Serpentime

Our court system is the only thing we can utilize to gauge the truth in certin circumstances and has been for a very long time. Its worked up to this point so why not use it gauge the authenticity of what now lays before us. And in doing so, none of this would stand up. The best witness has disappeared.

This isn't very accurate of a statement. Our court systems are a means for resolving disputes and for determining guilt (not innocence -- just guilt). In a criminal court, the defendant is not found "guilty or innocent", they're found "guilt or not guilty" -- there's a big difference. It's that difference that you're clearly misapprehending and distorting when making your point.

But lets put your suggestion to a test:

Can anyone out there state and defend the position that Serpo can be proven to be a hoax, beyond a reasonable doubt?"

In other words, is there sufficient, credible evidence to prove that Serpo is a hoax beyond a reasonable doubt?

I'm going to state quite clearly that my answer is NO. Does that mean the story is true? Again, NO. There's a LONG way between proving that something isn't false and proving that it's true. A LONG way. Lets try to be clear where on the road we are

I just want more of the story to come out. Regardless if its real or not at this point I just want to read more

Originally posted by rdube02
Do you have any idea if anyone has made FOIA requests regarding project Serpo, and if so, what has come of those? Heard anything?

I was wondering about this myself. Bill Ryan, do you know if anyone has sent in any FOIA requests on project Serpo? I tried to search the DIA FOIA electronic reading room and did find something on UFO's.

The website is www.dia.mil...

If you do a search on "Project Serpo" and look down the list the two files show up. It's probably a longshot, but there might be something there.

www.dia.mil... 11.9MB
www.dia.mil... 7.1MB

Some of the copied files are barely readable. I will look through it more later.

This site is interesting just to browse around, especially the history.

Originally posted by Shawnna
I'm VERY disappointed with the way this discussion has now turned - thanks to a few who have joined late and seem hell bent on turning it into a flame fest.

I agree.

If you just want to argue, take it somewhere else.

I'm quite anxious to see how this all pans out myself. These photos, if they actualy exist, are seriously needed. If this is true, we need some sort of visual proof I would wager.

Seeing is believing.

In other words, is there sufficient, credible evidence to prove that Serpo is a hoax beyond a reasonable doubt?

I have a bridge I�d like to sell you! Would you waste time proving that it isn�t for sell? I know who killed JFK, and it was the driver. Are you going to prove me false? Come on now! How many times must it be stated about wild accusations and assumptions? What happens when you assume? What did the guy from Christine say to the car (if you�re even old enough to remember the movie) SHOW ME!

Have any of you been shown anything that would cause you to believe that we�ve stepped a foot outside of our own galaxy, let own visited another planet.

Thanks for proving my point!

DOM YOM YO RING YA YO, DOM YOM YO RING YA YO!

Originally posted by Shawnna
If you aren't interested in having an intelligent discussion about the possibilities within the Serpo story context - GO AWAY.

The possibilties within the Serpo "story" context are huge.

If it were true.

I would love to spend all day exploring the possibilities of life after Eben integration. I do believe in life in the universe, but this story smells funny.

Unfortunately... there is nothing else left for us to discuss unless anonymous posts again.
The only thing left to discuss now is the validity of the "story".

Everything screams hoax...
From the anonymous source,
to the webpage with the copied meta-tags,
to the responses from mr Ryan,
to the documentary, and publicity, and the book webpage,
and not to mention how unbelievable the actual story is.

Like I said, I do believe in intelligent life in our universe, maybe even that the intelligent life visited us, maybe even had a hand in creation.
But people com'on are you so ready to believe that you will beleive anything that sounds good?

The webpage has a story that is "forged from past stories" to give it that sense of Syncronicity, and that switch goes off in your head?
He is giving you the story of aliens that you WANT to hear.
Just because it sounds good and validates your desires doesn't mean its true.

So... let anonymous come back and show those pictures or provide an update.

Otherwise this is dead.
There's no where to go from here except Mr Ryan's documentary, book tour, interviews.

Originally posted by AmoebaSized
I am sad at the way this debate is going!

Simply put, perhaps Aonymous is just plain -- sick, with the flu or similiar!
[edit on 18-1-2006 by AmoebaSized]

That's kinda funny if you think about it. Maybe Anon's computer crashed, or he got a virus and his computer is at the shop. Maybe the scanner he ordered hasen't arrived yet. The possibilities for the reason of non-posting could almost be endless. Maybe Anon doesn't even realize how much attention this story is getting, and figures "Oh well. No big hurry. I'll get some more posts together when I have the time. It's been over 40 years, what's another couple of months".

IMO, a hoaxer would have sent something to keep people interested, even if it was a simple explanation for the lack of posts.

Like many others here, I'm not jumping off the fence until I see more evidence suggesting one way or the other.