Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?, page 48
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reply posted on 30-12-2005 @ 01:48 PM by AmoebaSized
Oh, found this, as Roswell was mentioned!

I like old radio broadcasts, but have no opinion one way or the other yet.

www.konsulting.com...
roswellproof.com...
roswellproof.com...

It was, it isn't, we don't know -- now for the News! (July 8th, 1947)
??

Also had time to re-read the website again, and there are still questions and the story seems vague to me, so far!

I do however have to think about the 1947 News broadcast, and wonder if what they said in the beginning is really what they meant.

Of course I think at the time there were other reports of -- flying saucers, perhaps in the news! (the time period -- being still after WWII - and the Korean War starting just a little later.)



reply posted on 30-12-2005 @ 02:21 PM by Hal9000
Originally posted by Bill Ryan
OK, Guys, I wonder if you could help me think straight about this one.

At www.serpo.org/information.html#5d, Anon says (verbatim)

Serpo moved around one sun only. The other sun was within the two orbits. As I said before, there are hundreds of pages of calculations in the debriefing explaining all of this.

I've never understood that, and I requested clarification (but received none). I'm not convinced anyone else does either, on Victor's list, which has a fair number of astrophysicists on board. What does The other sun was within the two orbits mean?

Your right, this doesn't make sense, as I said before, Anon needs to clarify this. After doing some reading, I still think there could only be the possibility of two habitable planets, one orbiting each star. Furthermore, travel between these stars, by definition would be interstellar space travel, which the Ebens did not have that capability until 2,000 years ago (we think). Meanwhile, I have compiled some factoids for anyone that is interested.

Zeta Reticuli factoids

Zeta Reticuli is a binary star system located in the Reticulum constellation, and is 39 light years away. Due to its southern location, it can only be viewed from the Southern Hemisphere.
en.wikipedia.org...

(notice the link at the bottom to the Serpo website )

Both Stars are yellow dwarf, or main sequence stars, very similar in size to our own sun.

Binary stars are two stars that orbit each other.
en.wikipedia.org...

Zeta Reticuli are not double stars, which are two stars that are optically close or indistinguishable from our view point. They appear close, but are actually far apart and do not orbit each other like binary stars.
en.wikipedia.org...

Zeta1 and Zeta2 are 9,000 AU apart from each other, or about 837 billion miles.

63,000AU per light year / 9,000AU = 7, so the two stars are one seventh of a light year apart.

The stars revolve around each other once in approximately a million years.

The two stars have different chemical compositions, which might mean they were not formed at the same time.

In 1996, it was announced that Zeta2 had an orbiting planet, but was retracted because “the signal was shown to be caused by pulsations of the star”.

Zeta Reticuli was first mentioned to be the origin of the aliens that abducted Betty and Barney Hill in 1961.
en.wikipedia.org...

Bob Lazar also said that he was told that Zeta Reticuli was the origin of the flying saucers that he supposedly worked on (back engineered) when he worked at Area S-4, which is near Area 51.
en.wikipedia.org...

Stars are named using the Bayer designation starting with a Greek letter, and then the constellation name.
en.wikipedia.org...

The Reticulum constellation was named “to commemorate the reticle, which was a scientific instrument used to measure star positions”.
en.wikipedia.org...

An astronomical unit (AU) is the distance of the Earth from the sun, or approximately 93 million miles.
en.wikipedia.org...

A light year is approximately 63,000 AU, or approximately 6 trillion miles.
en.wikipedia.org...

Main sequence stars are the most abundant stars in the universe.
en.wikipedia.org...

Enjoy.

[edit on 12/30/2005 by Hal9000]

[edit on 12/30/2005 by Hal9000]


reply posted on 30-12-2005 @ 03:36 PM by onlyinmydreams
I think that it's important to remember that all the terms the 'serpo' people would have used would have been the terms used in 1964.

So, yes, most Ufologists know that Arnold sighted a crescent shaped craft and that a crescent shaped craft was photographed in the NM area around that time... but, even if the USAAF did capture a crashed one they might have used the popular term 'saucer' because it was the word everyone was using to describe such vehicles. We have to get away from the concept that this team -- or anon -- would use the words/descriptions we use (as I've said before). I mean... just think of how often veterans, when describing battles, use common phrases to describe vehicles/weapons instead of official terms. So, like I said before, a discrepency in terms is not necessarily proof of a fake (and, after all, most of what Anon is saying has been filtered through several people... often in Eben to Team to Document to Anon sequences).

As for Zeta Reticuli... keep in mind that we never were given a description of what the team considered 'dark' to be. We never received a numerical number for the light reading. And... as for ZR1 and 2... the team in 1964 would not have had our current knowledge about the system (which may be wrong, anyways). So... the light night they were talking about may have been as dim as a night with a full moon on earth... not the sun-swept, bright desert night that we have been imagining...
or, again, the numbers we are using to calculate the ZR stuff might be wrong. Astronomers do make mistakes... as they even have for ZR1 and 2.


reply posted on 30-12-2005 @ 03:46 PM by Hal9000
From Anon’s second post


The planet was tilted which allowed the northern part of the planet to be cooler. The planet was a little less than Earth's size. The atmosphere was similar to Earths and contained the elements of CHON [Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen]. Zeta Recticular is approximately 37 light years from us. It took our team, in an Eben craft, nine months to travel the distance.

I am not sure about how the tilt would affect only the northern part of the plane, unless the tilt was always away from the sun? Our planet also has a tilt of 24 degrees, but the rotational axis also wobbles once a year, which gives us seasons.


From Anon’s third post
(not a direct quote because it was in a table format and I had to edit)

Statistics on the Eben planet was collected by our team. Here is the pertinent data for your UFO thread list:

Diameter: 7,218 miles
Mass: 5.06 x 1024
Distance from Sun #1: 96.5 million miles
Sun #2: 91.4 million miles
Moons: 2
Surface gravity: 9.60m/s2
Rotation Periods: 43 hours
Orbit: 865 days
Tilt: 43 degrees
Temperature: Min: 43° / Max: 126°
Distance from Earth: 38.43 light years
Planet named by Team: SERPO
Nearest planet to SERPO: Named: OTTO
Distance: 88 million miles (colonized by Ebens with research base, but no natural inhabitants on planet)
Number of planets in Eben Solar System: Six
Nearest inhabited planet to SERPO: Named: SILUS (SILUS is made up of creatures of various types, but no intelligent life forms. Ebens use the planet to mine minerals.)
Distance: 434 million miles

Here is a big problem. According to Anon the distance to the first sun is 96.5 million miles, and the second sun is 91.4 million miles. That would put the planet in between the two sun’s? And if Serpo is exactly between the two suns, then the two suns are at the most only 187.9 million miles away from each other. This is a far cry from the observed distance of 9,000 AU, or about 837 billion miles.

Originally posted by robertfenix
Umm, sounds like Anon and the EBEN's need to rethink what it looks like on the ground there at Serpo.

I can hear Ricky Ricardo now. Lucy, you have some esplainin to do.


reply posted on 30-12-2005 @ 07:34 PM by Hydden
Originally posted by Watcher777
Seems like it first came to light through an email, but what kind of list is he on?


It's supposed to be a big, private email list with a gaggle of well-known "who's who" of ufology researchers, scientists, physicists, astronomers, etc. How it started, I have no idea..but that's what it's been described as so far.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
it's important to remember that, if this is just 'project rehearsal', that there will be real elements mixed in with the fake ones. I think we have to try to find the real, buried elements in the story....


Originally posted by Hal9000
How can you find any truth when it is mixed up in lies? If the purpose of disseminating the information is to inform us, without proof all we have to go on is what we know.


I can sort of see both sides to this argument. Let's spread a little real information mixed in with some extraordinary data and see how far these people are willing to *try* and believe it...or discredit it. This could be a setup of sorts where they try to see how much paranormal we're willing to swallow so that when they *do* come forth with the "truth," per se, they know which parts to hold back that would possibly frighten us or cause hysteria within the masses? Hmm...let's see. "Aliens are real....ok....but let's not tell them that Jesus (or whoever) was really planted here by them."

On the other hand, mixing lies with truths only tends to confuse and frustrate people to the point of giving up on the whole thing and just labeling it a hoax...no matter how much "truth" is buried in it. For example, a UFO hovers over your house - you believe it. It lands in your yard - you believe it. Three little ebens jump out and do the macarena - you (sorta) believe it. Ah, but Richard Doty (or Dan Burisch) poke their head out of the top of the craft and smile...Bah! It's a hoax.

(throws up hands and goes back to watching sitcoms)


reply posted on 30-12-2005 @ 09:04 PM by Hal9000
Originally posted by lost_shaman
Most of the information we have about Zeta-1 and Zeta-2 Reticuli comes from "Zeta-1 and Zeta-2 RETICULI - A puzzling solar-type twin system " by L. Da Silva, and R. Foy. 1987A&A...177..204D

Link

The two Stars are 350 Billion Miles apart.

That is an excellent document.

Now I see what Bill Ryan was saying that Anon may be describing a close binary star.

The article is highly technical and over my head, but I did see something interesting on page 210, Section 4.2. Apparently they are trying to determine why the gravity between the two stars is higher than normal. So one hypothesis was that Z1 and Z2 were both close binary stars. Meaning each star might have a companion star, which can't be seen. But the article states there are arguments against it, and again most of it is over my head. One reason I think is because close binary stars appear to be variable, meaning change in brightness, which I don’t think they do. I am still reading it, and haven't seen were they give the distance of 350 billion miles. lost_shaman can you tell me what page it was on?

For anyone else interested, you can go to the link that lost_shaman provided, in the print options section, select Print Page(s), and enter the page numbers 204 to 216, then press SEND PDF. The pdf file will open, but you may need Adobe Reader to be able to view the article.

The Zeta Reticuli link provided on the Serpo site also mentions the theory of Z1 and Z2 being close binaries, but that it has been concluded to be false.

www.ufoconspiracy.com...

So I guess it is possible for binary stars to be very close, but I still don’t think it would be capable of supporting a habitable planet. In the reading I’ve done, most close binaries are shown as one large star and a smaller companion star. Astronomers study these because they can use the rotation of the two stars to determine their mass. For me this is very interesting stuff and I’m learning a lot, even if this all turns out to be a hoax.
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