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reply posted on 28-12-2005 @ 12:57 PM by John Carter
I was thinking the same thing that they only have had interstellar capability for 2,000 years, but here is the problem with it.

I think it is probably a typo and they have either had interstellar capability longer than that, or they moved to another planet more recently. Maybe Anon will make the correction the same as he did on the weight limit of supplies.

That is of course, if this story is true.

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above section quoted from Hal9000
(I'm not yet savy with the quote system)

Hello again and thanks for the welcoming-

To clarify, in my hypothetical analysis I was suggesting that they had deep space travel capabilities and may have scouted this planet 10,000 years ago when they met the Dogon tribe. But circumstances ended up with them colonizing a planet in the ZR system which is far from the Sirian system. It wasn't until after the great war that they pulled in the reigns and refrained from deep space travel and concentrated on a more localized area within which to explore. After about a thousand years they proceeded from Serpo with deper exploratory missions thereby qualifying themselves once again as intergalactic travelers. (Incidendally, "intergalactic" would literally mean that they have the capability to travel from one galaxy to another, at most in this instance, we're only talking about travel between distant solar systems).

The reason I came up with this little scenario was to illustrate how the timing of events with respect to their capabilities was plausible. When Serpo was first colonized it would have been an independent state so to speak. So what we could be dealing with is a misunderstanding between two histories - the native planet and the colonized outposts.

Another thing that intrigues me about this story is that typically when something is made up and writer is on to something good they would be inclined to expand on a good idea. Yet in this story there are times when the various contingencies and options are laid out - very interesting unto themselves, yet only one scenario is expanded on since the others didn't pan out. I realize this is difficult to convey if I don't quote anything, and right now I can't because nothing comes to mind. This was a thought I had while reading through the posts by Anon.

Yes i agree that until some empirical proof is brought to the table this story will be relagated to hoax status but time will tell. We are not even in the new year yet and we've been told this may take many months into the new year. If this thread here becomes stale it only because of our impatience and really has no bearing on the timing of Anon's posts. A little ironic - we have our own time frame based on our impetuousness and Anon has his/her own time frame based on the logistics of procuring information for release.

Hey, this is the best story unfolding right now in Ufology and it deserves a nice long look. Kudos to the resident lawyer for his astute and diligent process of sluething this fantastic voyage.

best,
Robert
aka John Carter
(in my dreams:@@


reply posted on 28-12-2005 @ 02:26 PM by Hal9000
Originally posted by Freenrgy2
What's the difference in distances between interplanetary and intergalactic travel?
What technology differences would be required for each?

They could have moved between systems in the same galaxy using their advanced technology. Once the war was over, perhaps they decided to see what else was "out there" and started the intergalactic travel phase. Perhaps they developed new technology between the interplanetary and intergalactic periods to make the latter a possibility.

Interplanetary travel is between planets of the same solar system, and like our capabilities could be done with conventional rockets. Interstellar travel would be between solar systems within the same galaxy, and require FTL (faster than light) travel, unless you expect to take a lifetime to get there. Anon said the trip to Serpo took 9 months to travel 37 light years, so they must be traveling faster than light. Intergalactic travel would be the same, but between galaxies, and the distances are even further. The nearest galaxy is Andromeda and is 2 million light years away. So there are huge incremental differences between the three.

What is confusing is Anon said the Ebens moved to a different planet 5,000 years ago, and fought an "interplanetary war" 3,000 years ago, yet have been "space travelers" for only 2,000 years, which is were the discrepancy occurs because he doesn't specify what type of space travel. If we assume he meant interstellar space travel, then up till then they must have only been interplanetary travelers. So that means the planets they moved from and moved to, are in the same system, and the war they fought was with another neighbor in the same system. So that means there are three habitable planets in the Serpo system, which I find hard to believe, seeing as our system only has one, which is planet Earth. It would be the same as we humans moving to the planet Mars, and fighting a war with the the people on Venus. This is not possible, because Mars and Venus are not habitable, at least to my liking.

So I think the 2,000 years of space travel is a typo, but something Anon needs to clear up. I will send an e-mail to the Serpo site asking for clarification.

Hope that helps.

edit: for clarification, I hope.

[edit on 12/28/2005 by Hal9000]


reply posted on 28-12-2005 @ 03:07 PM by AmoebaSized
I am going to cover a bit of everything here in one post, then I have real work to do, tying in probably nothing except that first humans have to think.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Posting 5:

[Bill Ryan's questions]

4) Regarding Time: The Team Members brought several time pieces, e.g., wrist watches, non-battery style, as it stated in the debriefing data. The time pieces worked, but they had no reference to time since the Eben days were longer, the dusk and dawn periods were longer and they had no calenders to reference.
They did use the time pieces to calculate movement, for example, timing the movement of the Eben two suns. They also calculated the time between work and rest periods. But, after awhile, the team discarded their time pieces and used the Eben's measurement of time periods. The team became confused with the calenders they brought – a 10-year calender.

Posting 7b:

After reading Dr. Sagan's remarks on the Serpo project, which is about 60 jam-packed pages of calculations, I found one paragraph which states that in order to use Kepler's law – in the case of Planet Serpo – one had to vary the exact gravitational pull placed on Serpo by the two suns. Serpo did not have large planets, like Jupiter and Saturn to affect the gravitational pull as the Earth does. Serpo's gravitational pull was different than anything Dr. Sagan had ever seen before.

There are numerous figures and calculations to support this. I will forward them at a later date. Have your list stay tuned.

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The Calendar repeats every 7 years, since there are 7 days in the week. Every 4 years is a Leap Year, unless it is divisible by 100 (like 1700A.D.) unless it is both divisible by 400 and 100 (like 1600A.D.) then it is a leap year. 2000A.D. was a Leap Year because it is divisible by both 400 and 100, while 1900 A.D. was not a Leap Year.

The Calendar was made by Pope Gregory because according to astronomical observation, it was off, and by the year 1582 A.D. (I am thinking from memory) ten days were cut off the calendar to bring it in line with astronomical observation because the old calendar was off that much at that time. One day it was October 3rd, and the next day it was October 14th, because before the current calendar, I think the calendar dated back to the old Roman days.
But don't think too much about that, because the current used calendar is still off, by a little, because the Earth's Mean Solar Year is 365.2524 days which means it is still off by 0.0024 days.
At the end of this year -- do add a second to your clock by moving the clock back by a second. It is added because of the atomic clock, and NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) correcting the clock -- because it needs a second added to it -- so move your clock back a second at the end of the year. (which also gives you a second more to celebrate the end of the year).

Of course, I am suppose to think that the Government in their infinite Wisdom would supply a 10-year Calendar and spend that extra money -- it won't cost that much actually. Will it?

But as to the second posting about the gravity -- a variable gravity planet. Up in Space orbiting around this Planet - -they have grown plants. Down here on Earth -- the roots grow down -- because of gravity -- up in Space orbiting around this Planet -- Plants grow circular -- look it up -- as it is on the Internet. (or in a spiral pattern -- since that is the way the Earth moves in Space because of the Sun's gravity exerting it pull mostly except for the Moon which causes the Tides to Rise and Fall).
I fail to see how gravity from the large Planets has much to do with anything here on Planet Earth because of the inverse square law of gravity.
Twice the distance --- 1/4 the pull from gravity. It is insignificant, because the large planets are so far away --- Jupiter -- 350 million miles and Saturn -- a whooping about 1 billion miles away. The Earth is about 24,000 miles around this Planet -- and the nearest Star -- the Alpha Centauri system -- is generally speaking 25,000,000,000,000 (trillion) miles away - or from 4.2 to 4.3 light years away (the light-year being 5,880,000,000,000 (trillion) miles as a measurement.

I wonder how the plants grow on Serpo, with variable gravity -- I guess they would look strange somewhat -- but still -- variable gravity -- I suppose humans need some sort of machine to experience that. I call it a new Disneyland ride.

Gravity can also vary on this Planet though -- go up a ways or down a ways, and the gravity will vary -- in fact finding something to actually measure gravity will be a new technology in its self.

Well, there is a ways to go with this story, so I may have time to look at it once upon some time, but then I suppose I am just pointing this out to some people who may not know some of this.

It is the Sun (Sol) that does mainly exert gravity upon this Planet and all Planets -- being at least 99% of the Mass of the Solar System. The Stars of Zeta 1 & 2 Reticula -- which I looked up last night -- and have a magnitude of about 5.5 in our sky -- would be dim from our night sky -- but one Sun orbiting within the Planet and the other Sun -- or so as I read -- would certainly add gravity to Planet Serpo in a way -- that may confuse any spacealien -- in the end.

PA (position angle was also given on the star chart) but it is an older book by Robert Burham -- and was given as 222 degrees I think. Perhaps newer data can be obtained about those two stars -- Zeta 1 & Zeta 2 Reticuli -- as of nowadays.

The Planet Serpo may be elongated more than the oblate spheroid that we all live on -- because of gravity of the two Suns. So it turns out to be a debate how much the Planet Serpo is -- well, not even as close to being a circle as our Planet is -- and by how much -- depending on those two Suns -- both main sequence stars -- exerting a pull on Planet Serpo. That Planet would surely be like a boing-boing ball from gravity.

Boing!

The Ebens are indeed strange then!


If our Moon was closer, we all be wet from the oceans and the Tides rising so high -- as to drench us!




reply posted on 28-12-2005 @ 09:11 PM by Hal9000
Originally posted by John Carter
I was thinking the same thing that they only have had interstellar capability for 2,000 years, but here is the problem with it.

I think it is probably a typo and they have either had interstellar capability longer than that, or they moved to another planet more recently. Maybe Anon will make the correction the same as he did on the weight limit of supplies.

That is of course, if this story is true.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
above section quoted from Hal9000
(I'm not yet savy with the quote system)

Hello again and thanks for the welcoming-

To clarify, in my hypothetical analysis I was suggesting that they had deep space travel capabilities and may have scouted this planet 10,000 years ago when they met the Dogon tribe.



I would say this is possible, but I think Anon would have mentioned it, even in the brief history that was given. There are some parallels, but I find parallels with other stories to, as well as contradictions. It is an interesting idea though. I still think, if the Eben story is true, that Anon made a mistake in the timeline, and I sent an e-mail to Bill Ryan at Serpo asking to pass this question along to Anon, and hopefully he will respond with a reasonable correction.


I can see what happened with your quoting. You have to end a quote with a backslash (/quote) only use [] instead of (). Heres an example.

(quote)
That is of course, if this story is true. (/quote)

will look like this with brackets.


That is of course, if this story is true.


You can use this also for (b)bold(/b) and (i)italic(/i), and will look like this, bold and italic.

Hope that helps.


reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 10:44 AM by futureafter
Looks like the comments section were updated today (29th).

serpo.org...

The entire comment is just a huge book plug and even included a link to amazon to purchase.

Nothing screams credibility like shameless plugs.


reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 11:29 AM by porky1981
Originally posted by futureafter
Looks like the comments section were updated today (29th).

serpo.org...

The entire comment is just a huge book plug and even included a link to amazon to purchase.

Nothing screams credibility like shameless plugs.



I saw a reference to a book on amazon, but not an advertisement for a book like you stated.

Bill Ryan, tell anonymous to step up the pace a little, post one picture.


reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 01:10 PM by Centrist
Originally posted by futureafter
Looks like the comments section were updated today (29th).

serpo.org...

The entire comment is just a huge book plug and even included a link to amazon to purchase.

Nothing screams credibility like shameless plugs.


I think that they were simply drawing a consistency between the book (which was probably being plugged by its author) and the Anon information. I've gotten to know Bill Ryan and he doesn't have any connections to any of the book people. He's in this out of interest for the subject, just like us.

As for pictures, I think he's as anxious to see them as we are. But Bill's not in contact with Anonymous, as far as I know -- it's Victor Martinez that receives Anon's messages. I've exchanged email with Victor recently and it doesn't appear as though he knows when to expect the next communication from Anon either... and Victor is as anxious as anyone to see where this is going and what will come next.

Although I strongly encourage everyone to find the conspiracies within the conspiracies (and do so myself), I haven't been able to find one along this path. I had my suspicions about the books, too, but a lot of the people on Victors lists (and elsewhere in the UFO community) are researchers that rely on their own publications for income. They're going to shill their books whenever they can. I just won't attribute this to Bill Ryan or Victor, until some credible suggestion to do so is found.

Originally posted by porky1981
Bill Ryan, tell anonymous to step up the pace a little, post one picture.


When he's got them, we'll all see them



reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 04:03 PM by Unplugged
Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
Unplugged,
Where did you get that painting of 'Jesus' from?.


The discovery channel

dsc.discovery.com...

I dont really think there is any connection here, a first glance at "jesus" I thought it looked similar to a painting of an 'eben' I had seen on ATS before.

I have heard that the real Jesus was called something like Jeshua Binyosef (aproximately) and that he was short, ugly, had tan skin, and had an under-developed ear.
So the image on the coin has probably been deformed over time, making "Jesus" look messed up. Hopefully this wont turn into an offtopic Jesus thread.

[edit on 29-12-2005 by Unplugged]


reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 07:48 PM by John Carter
The book link in the recent addition to the "Comments" section is there for reference. The book has been mentioned many times in other threads and articles and does not need a plug at Serpo.org - it is there for informational purposes. You may not see it that way and that's fine, but I for one have not read this book yet and if it contains pertainent information I would like to be advised. Personally I find it a drag to read something without such links - they are very helpful, especially when accompanied by a quote that references the statement that goes along with it.

After reading this comment I didn't feel at all that this was something that should diminish credibility. Furthermore, there was no advertisment unless you think a link - granted to Amazon.com - is a blatant advertisement - I don't, though it is subjective.

A topic such as this should link to any material that either supports or clarifys that which is being stated. Lets not let our frustration become a determining factor towards the veracity of this possibly major story.

BTW - I haven't acknowledged how great it is to have Bill Ryan here in this thread. Thanks Bill, I for one will continue to wait patiently to see what this is all about. If there is a way to expedite things, then yes, please do, but I really don't think that's a realistic option since you don't have direct access to Anon. I'm sure Anon is aware of the building anticipation. My only hope is that he'she is sensitive to our position.


. . .so the wait continues

best,
Robert
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