Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Haha...true!

That's my boy! As I mentioned before, you put a hell of a spark to this story (and the Burisch Identity) with your incredible research and have inspired me to research alot further than I normally would on these topics.

Thanks for that...and keep up the enthusiastic work!

What's the difference in distances between interplanetary and intergalactic travel?
What technology differences would be required for each?

They could have moved between systems in the same galaxy using their advanced technology. Once the war was over, perhaps they decided to see what else was "out there" and started the intergalactic travel phase. Perhaps they developed new technology between the interplanetary and intergalactic periods to make the latter a possibility.

Mr Ryan,

I know you've been on Pippen and Coast to Coast already....do you have plans to appear on any more shows for interviews? I'm just curious how many people in broadcasting are taking notice and how far you'd be willing to go. (ie Good Morning America, CNN, BBC, etc)

Keep up the great work!

At the end of Bill Ryan's interview on Pippin, he mentions that he's speaking at the UFO conference in Laughlin, NV at the end of February. I'm half tempted to take a little vacation out there. I'd like to meet Bill. Also, Michael Horn will be there... ooh.. how could I resist that?

Thanks, Lost_Shaman.

Anyone else, please feel free... (Or visit the main thread)


Serpentime

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[edit on 28-12-2005 by Serpentime]

Interplanetary travel is between planets of the same solar system, and like our capabilities could be done with conventional rockets. Interstellar travel would be between solar systems within the same galaxy, and require FTL (faster than light) travel, unless you expect to take a lifetime to get there. Anon said the trip to Serpo took 9 months to travel 37 light years, so they must be traveling faster than light. Intergalactic travel would be the same, but between galaxies, and the distances are even further. The nearest galaxy is Andromeda and is 2 million light years away. So there are huge incremental differences between the three.

What is confusing is Anon said the Ebens moved to a different planet 5,000 years ago, and fought an "interplanetary war" 3,000 years ago, yet have been "space travelers" for only 2,000 years, which is were the discrepancy occurs because he doesn't specify what type of space travel. If we assume he meant interstellar space travel, then up till then they must have only been interplanetary travelers. So that means the planets they moved from and moved to, are in the same system, and the war they fought was with another neighbor in the same system. So that means there are three habitable planets in the Serpo system, which I find hard to believe, seeing as our system only has one, which is planet Earth. It would be the same as we humans moving to the planet Mars, and fighting a war with the the people on Venus. This is not possible, because Mars and Venus are not habitable, at least to my liking.

So I think the 2,000 years of space travel is a typo, but something Anon needs to clear up. I will send an e-mail to the Serpo site asking for clarification.

Hope that helps.

edit: for clarification, I hope.

[edit on 12/28/2005 by Hal9000]

I am going to cover a bit of everything here in one post, then I have real work to do, tying in probably nothing except that first humans have to think.


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Posting 5:

[Bill Ryan's questions]

4) Regarding Time: The Team Members brought several time pieces, e.g., wrist watches, non-battery style, as it stated in the debriefing data. The time pieces worked, but they had no reference to time since the Eben days were longer, the dusk and dawn periods were longer and they had no calenders to reference.
They did use the time pieces to calculate movement, for example, timing the movement of the Eben two suns. They also calculated the time between work and rest periods. But, after awhile, the team discarded their time pieces and used the Eben's measurement of time periods. The team became confused with the calenders they brought – a 10-year calender.

Posting 7b:

After reading Dr. Sagan's remarks on the Serpo project, which is about 60 jam-packed pages of calculations, I found one paragraph which states that in order to use Kepler's law – in the case of Planet Serpo – one had to vary the exact gravitational pull placed on Serpo by the two suns. Serpo did not have large planets, like Jupiter and Saturn to affect the gravitational pull as the Earth does. Serpo's gravitational pull was different than anything Dr. Sagan had ever seen before.

There are numerous figures and calculations to support this. I will forward them at a later date. Have your list stay tuned.

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The Calendar repeats every 7 years, since there are 7 days in the week. Every 4 years is a Leap Year, unless it is divisible by 100 (like 1700A.D.) unless it is both divisible by 400 and 100 (like 1600A.D.) then it is a leap year. 2000A.D. was a Leap Year because it is divisible by both 400 and 100, while 1900 A.D. was not a Leap Year.

The Calendar was made by Pope Gregory because according to astronomical observation, it was off, and by the year 1582 A.D. (I am thinking from memory) ten days were cut off the calendar to bring it in line with astronomical observation because the old calendar was off that much at that time. One day it was October 3rd, and the next day it was October 14th, because before the current calendar, I think the calendar dated back to the old Roman days.
But don't think too much about that, because the current used calendar is still off, by a little, because the Earth's Mean Solar Year is 365.2524 days which means it is still off by 0.0024 days.
At the end of this year -- do add a second to your clock by moving the clock back by a second. It is added because of the atomic clock, and NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) correcting the clock -- because it needs a second added to it -- so move your clock back a second at the end of the year. (which also gives you a second more to celebrate the end of the year).

Of course, I am suppose to think that the Government in their infinite Wisdom would supply a 10-year Calendar and spend that extra money -- it won't cost that much actually. Will it?

But as to the second posting about the gravity -- a variable gravity planet. Up in Space orbiting around this Planet - -they have grown plants. Down here on Earth -- the roots grow down -- because of gravity -- up in Space orbiting around this Planet -- Plants grow circular -- look it up -- as it is on the Internet. (or in a spiral pattern -- since that is the way the Earth moves in Space because of the Sun's gravity exerting it pull mostly except for the Moon which causes the Tides to Rise and Fall).
I fail to see how gravity from the large Planets has much to do with anything here on Planet Earth because of the inverse square law of gravity.
Twice the distance --- 1/4 the pull from gravity. It is insignificant, because the large planets are so far away --- Jupiter -- 350 million miles and Saturn -- a whooping about 1 billion miles away. The Earth is about 24,000 miles around this Planet -- and the nearest Star -- the Alpha Centauri system -- is generally speaking 25,000,000,000,000 (trillion) miles away - or from 4.2 to 4.3 light years away (the light-year being 5,880,000,000,000 (trillion) miles as a measurement.

I wonder how the plants grow on Serpo, with variable gravity -- I guess they would look strange somewhat -- but still -- variable gravity -- I suppose humans need some sort of machine to experience that. I call it a new Disneyland ride.

Gravity can also vary on this Planet though -- go up a ways or down a ways, and the gravity will vary -- in fact finding something to actually measure gravity will be a new technology in its self.

Well, there is a ways to go with this story, so I may have time to look at it once upon some time, but then I suppose I am just pointing this out to some people who may not know some of this.

It is the Sun (Sol) that does mainly exert gravity upon this Planet and all Planets -- being at least 99% of the Mass of the Solar System. The Stars of Zeta 1 & 2 Reticula -- which I looked up last night -- and have a magnitude of about 5.5 in our sky -- would be dim from our night sky -- but one Sun orbiting within the Planet and the other Sun -- or so as I read -- would certainly add gravity to Planet Serpo in a way -- that may confuse any spacealien -- in the end.

PA (position angle was also given on the star chart) but it is an older book by Robert Burham -- and was given as 222 degrees I think. Perhaps newer data can be obtained about those two stars -- Zeta 1 & Zeta 2 Reticuli -- as of nowadays.

The Planet Serpo may be elongated more than the oblate spheroid that we all live on -- because of gravity of the two Suns. So it turns out to be a debate how much the Planet Serpo is -- well, not even as close to being a circle as our Planet is -- and by how much -- depending on those two Suns -- both main sequence stars -- exerting a pull on Planet Serpo. That Planet would surely be like a boing-boing ball from gravity.

Boing!

The Ebens are indeed strange then!


If our Moon was closer, we all be wet from the oceans and the Tides rising so high -- as to drench us!

I would say this is possible, but I think Anon would have mentioned it, even in the brief history that was given. There are some parallels, but I find parallels with other stories to, as well as contradictions. It is an interesting idea though. I still think, if the Eben story is true, that Anon made a mistake in the timeline, and I sent an e-mail to Bill Ryan at Serpo asking to pass this question along to Anon, and hopefully he will respond with a reasonable correction.


I can see what happened with your quoting. You have to end a quote with a backslash (/quote) only use [] instead of (). Heres an example.

(quote)
That is of course, if this story is true. (/quote)

will look like this with brackets.



You can use this also for (b)bold(/b) and (i)italic(/i), and will look like this, bold and italic.

Hope that helps.

Good deal Hal, I was about to send him a message requesting clarification myself. We'll have to wait and see what he says to your inquiry.

Given that we have to wait so long for updates i wish he didn't need clarification so much, so he could get on with things. I suspect we'll hear a lot in January - we can only hope.

back to the TV )

Robert

I am hoping someone takes the time to research Carl Sagan, and what he wrote. Stanton Freedman did a great job at researching some of the alleged members of MJ-12, and was able to tie one scientist to secret government work. I hope that someone can do the legwork to see what they can turn up on Sagan.
I would not be suprised if he even left some writings,or research that we may run across some day. My dad always said that Sagan was a pompous jerk. Well,pompous people like to toot their own horn....even from the grave

Looks like the comments section were updated today (29th).

serpo.org...

The entire comment is just a huge book plug and even included a link to amazon to purchase.

Nothing screams credibility like shameless plugs.

I saw a reference to a book on amazon, but not an advertisement for a book like you stated.

Bill Ryan, tell anonymous to step up the pace a little, post one picture.

I must admit, I would like to see some pictures too. I simply want the lid blown off of this whole cosmic watergate. I would like to see some more information on Serpo.

I think that they were simply drawing a consistency between the book (which was probably being plugged by its author) and the Anon information. I've gotten to know Bill Ryan and he doesn't have any connections to any of the book people. He's in this out of interest for the subject, just like us.

As for pictures, I think he's as anxious to see them as we are. But Bill's not in contact with Anonymous, as far as I know -- it's Victor Martinez that receives Anon's messages. I've exchanged email with Victor recently and it doesn't appear as though he knows when to expect the next communication from Anon either... and Victor is as anxious as anyone to see where this is going and what will come next.

Although I strongly encourage everyone to find the conspiracies within the conspiracies (and do so myself), I haven't been able to find one along this path. I had my suspicions about the books, too, but a lot of the people on Victors lists (and elsewhere in the UFO community) are researchers that rely on their own publications for income. They're going to shill their books whenever they can. I just won't attribute this to Bill Ryan or Victor, until some credible suggestion to do so is found.



When he's got them, we'll all see them

Unplugged,

Where did you get that painting of 'Jesus' from? I don't see it on the newslink (though I do see how that coin bears a slight resemblance to the painting... if one dismisses stylistic and production aspects of the coin). That painting seems familiar... and I doubt someone could have created it within a day of the coin's discovery being made public.

The discovery channel

dsc.discovery.com...

I dont really think there is any connection here, a first glance at "jesus" I thought it looked similar to a painting of an 'eben' I had seen on ATS before.

I have heard that the real Jesus was called something like Jeshua Binyosef (aproximately) and that he was short, ugly, had tan skin, and had an under-developed ear.
So the image on the coin has probably been deformed over time, making "Jesus" look messed up. Hopefully this wont turn into an offtopic Jesus thread.

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"space travelers for 2000 years".

Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding from "serpian" to Earth language and understanding.

Consider that in the 1400's, the Chinese emperor ordered a major program of intercontinental ship travel, and with very lage, powerful and sophisticated ships for the time. Then, suddently with the next regime, it all stopped. They didn't lose the technology, they lost the desire to spend the money.

The Serpian EBEs apparently have "travelers" to other stars, such as the Earth.

The 2,000 year remark may not have been a function of technology specifically, but regarding an organized program of interplanetary/interstellar exploration. You have to consider all possibilities especially with immense language and culture gaps.

Other possibliites include that prior to the 2000 years ago, they had enough tech to get from Zeta 1 to Zeta 2 systems (a long distance but not like to Earth), but not that much further.

The expense & tech necessary to go further could have been very expensive and difficult.

Or perhaps, the 2000 year remark refers to the length of time Serpian EBEs have been visiting Earth specifically---they could easily have not understood the question precisely, and use the answer.

I am posting the quote from anonymous again, so people know what we are talking about. This is from his fourth post on the Serpo.org website.


Another reason why I think he made a mistake with the “space travelers for the past 2,000 years” is he also immediately said the same number of years as visiting Earth. I think he accidentally repeated the same number twice. Obviously they would have had to been “space travelers” for more than 2,000 years.

If I get a reply to the e-mail I sent, I will post it.

*waiting patiently*

The book link in the recent addition to the "Comments" section is there for reference. The book has been mentioned many times in other threads and articles and does not need a plug at Serpo.org - it is there for informational purposes. You may not see it that way and that's fine, but I for one have not read this book yet and if it contains pertainent information I would like to be advised. Personally I find it a drag to read something without such links - they are very helpful, especially when accompanied by a quote that references the statement that goes along with it.

After reading this comment I didn't feel at all that this was something that should diminish credibility. Furthermore, there was no advertisment unless you think a link - granted to Amazon.com - is a blatant advertisement - I don't, though it is subjective.

A topic such as this should link to any material that either supports or clarifys that which is being stated. Lets not let our frustration become a determining factor towards the veracity of this possibly major story.

BTW - I haven't acknowledged how great it is to have Bill Ryan here in this thread. Thanks Bill, I for one will continue to wait patiently to see what this is all about. If there is a way to expedite things, then yes, please do, but I really don't think that's a realistic option since you don't have direct access to Anon. I'm sure Anon is aware of the building anticipation. My only hope is that he'she is sensitive to our position.


. . .so the wait continues

best,
Robert