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Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

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posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 06:27 PM
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It doesn't surprise me that if somebody is in the know that they would want to remain anonymous.


Yes, I keep hearing people say it must be a hoax if the author is going as anonymous. I understand the frustration of wanting to know all the details right this second... but is it so hard to understand that maybe someone would want their anonymity until they know for sure how people (and especially how official quarters) would respond?
Maybe not if they had no family or close friends to worry about, otherwise you would be very careful... probably wouldn't do it at all unless you really felt it was important to get this info out.
It actually seems completely logical to me, even though I understand the frustration of some of you here.




posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 06:51 PM
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Since Richard Doty has put his stamp of approval on this story (per se), his latest posting doesn't make me feel any better about this story:


Rick Doty first says:

"Some of us blend a few facts with a lot of fiction as part of our job to protect our nation's security. We don't ask questions. We do what is expected of us.

"Others", whose definition of national security may be different from ours, endlessly sift and resift our fictions in an effort to find the facts they feel are rightfully theirs. Yet on those happy occasions when they actually do stumble upon a real truth, instead of recognizing it for what it is, they immediately seek to transform it into something it isn't - something THEY want it to be. And this is good, for now it has become fiction again, and, although it may be wearing a new coat, it is as well covered as it was at the beginning. Of course, I am referring to the Tau-9 treaty. Mr. Burisch, the person of questionable intelligence and verifiable ignorance, claims its factual, but has never released it nor has he stated who signed it. There isn't one single reference to any treaties with ETs in any USG documents.

"We" all must do what we must do, Mr. Deppeller. And just as I have no obligations to you, so , in return, you have none to me. In that sense, some might think we find ourselves at a standoff - except for one small detail. As in all games, someone has to make the rules; and in this game, that someone is not you. For you, there are two choices. You can play on and do the best you can. Or you can face reality, recognize that the best you can do isn't going to be near good enough to win and save yourself and Mr. Burisch a great deal of future consternation by dropping out here and now. I have a great deal of information about Mr. Burisch that sits in a filing cabinet. But its time to open that cabinet and spread the "Word" about this Mr. Burisch. He cannot win. Mr. Burisch has been proven to be a liar and his released documents were proven to be hoaxes. I will air all this and let the public be the jury; and they lets see who wins.

Let the games begin."


Now, I'm not one for judging people too often, but from what I've read about Doty's AND Burisch's past....isn't this calling the kettle black? It almost makes me feel like (between these 2 'disclosure' projects) I'm being pulled in 2 different directions and the only place to go is away from both until one kills the other. I guess I wouldn't need to feel this way if either one actually ---> released some evidence or proof



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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Serpentime, your analysis is excellent and very eloquently stated, but...


Originally posted by Serpentime
"Serpo" is meant to appear to us as a tasty dish... but does it come with Strawberry Ice Cream on top, too?

this was absolutely priceless.


I also agree that this story, if it is not true, then is a well planned disinformation campaign. It is too intricate to be a hoax played by some individual looking for some attention. What is the purpose, and why the diversion? There is definitely something here to be learned, and warrants our attention.


Originally posted by Centrist
I suspect that, if this is based on authentic information, is that the Ebens have had the capability to traverse interstellar distances for 2,000 years. They may have moved amongst planets and fought a battle with a civilization within their own solar system prior to that.

This could be what he meant. They had interplanetary capability for the last 5,000 years, and interstellar capability for 2,000. So that means the race they eliminated was in the same star system.

I guess there system is much more habitable than ours. They have 3 planets that support life, or maybe only 2 because they moved to the planet that the other race lived on. Or it could just be a typo, and they had interstellar capability for more than 2,000 years, and came from a different star system.


Originally posted by Boogie
but once they got to Serpo they uh, made up some new physics and time so that they could mess with people's heads on Earth. (sarcasm off)

Yeah, new physics, that's the ticket.




Good find HAL9000...I suggest you forward that to the consistencies page on Bill's website.

I've been thinking about submitting other questions as well, but I think I will wait for the next post and hopefully some pictures. I am still reviewing the rest of the material.

Maybe Bill Ryan can look into it and post a reply here.


Originally posted by Rren
Even in the most theoretical FTL stuff i know off, there's no reason dilation would be sidestepped. Although i guess if you're violating relativity maybe dilation is moot... i don't know.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. If FTL is possible without the time dialation, then they have some explaning to do. I am no physicist either, but if this story is to be taken seriously, your going to have to convince those guys first.



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 07:25 PM
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Noo.....wait......it seems as though one of the magicians (from my last post) has walked off-stage now and declared himself the winner:



The only thing they have to spread is either what is already known, or more Serpo crapola!

Remember now: they believe in SERPO! Laughing

MY SUGGESTION? RICK DOTY WANTS HIS 15 MINUTES! SO, WHY NOT GIVE IT TO HIM? SPREAD HIS WORDS, FAR AND WIDE! Laughing COAST TO COAST, EVERYWHERE! HE HAS JUST ADMITTED TO LYING TO EVERYONE...AGAIN!

"Some of us blend a few facts with a lot of fiction as part of our job to protect our nation's security. We don't ask questions. We do what is expected of us. "Others", whose definition of national security may be different from ours, endlessly sift and resift our fictions in an effort to find the facts they feel are rightfully theirs."

Ladies and gentlemen, it has now come time, now that I have received a briefing a few minutes ago, to take leave of the internet. Anything that I say after this will just be used to twist the truth, by the lying cowards who feel they can moderate what you are ready to be told. They wish, quite simply, and this is verified by Doty's words, to be the mediators of what you are allowed to know. They will spread lies, lies admitted to already, as far and as wide as they can. But, they will fall short.

For those who know my private contact information, I will still be available.

For the rest, the appointed time comes.

HEY RICK, HAVE FUN PLAYING WITH YOUR DRAWERS! Laughing

See everyone in awhile!

Love,

Dan



(SIGH)

This all just gets more disappointing by the moment.



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 08:29 PM
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My conspiracy mind is telling me that possibly both are agents sent out to discredit the UFO field by making up stories. By being dramatic and outlandish with their insults, they get people to think: "So is everyone in the UFO field like this? Why even mess with these nuts!". It does feel like there is some kind of slight of hand going on here. But I think we might have two magicians working together to pull off a trick. Maybe these two are fighting to draw attention away from a third legit story that people are getting closer to.

The realistic part of me says this really just about selling books. When someone tries to discredit the other's work of (non?) fiction, they seem to get protective. Both need to go to Hawaii for a month and leave each other alone and the rest of us.



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 09:03 PM
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You could be right on all accounts, Boogie.

On one hand, we have an anonymous poster who is spilling out information, albeit...unsubstantial at the moment.

On the other hand, we have a named poster who is not spilling anything, only claiming to be coming forward with something next year.

Call me crazy, but holding onto information for any length of time, I would think, would be the dangerous route to take. If I had a 3000 page document, I would be up 24/7, scanning every page to make sure I had back-ups....then, I would send a copy out to every forum, media outlet, web page, etc that I could think of...all at the same time, then let people deal with it. It wouldn't matter of it was anonymous or not if the information were truly valid.

What neither side seems to want to admit is, that unless they've had first-hand experience with such topics (that knocks out Serpo) both of them could be under the influence of disinformation and not know it, no matter how much they believe it themselves. Plus, anytime I see a build up of anticipation on something, as with both cases here, it usually ends up with a price tag on it.



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 10:30 PM
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"It usually ends up with a price tag"

I have seen it far too often.

This site (serpo) has interested me for awhile now, and this thread started off really well. However, now on the 33rd page, and even with Bill Ryan here, it has lost a lot of steam.

I've had some time to really ponder disclosure and while it seems like an exciting idea, the truth for me is that all this secrecy and hoaxers are not worth mine or your time.

In my intarweb career I have noticed a few things. One is that when it comes to conspiracy and taboo-type conversations, people get a little silly. Whoever thinks up hoaxes (even to make a buck) are people who deserve my pity. I can see making a short-lived hoax for giggles, but when you crave attention and e-cred like most hoaxers do, you are truly sad individuals.

I must admit that I am quickly tiring of this whole ordeal and am surprised that the rest of you aren't as well.

Sure, it may be true. But seriously, does it really matter? When disclosure happens (substitute 'if' if you want) we will all know anyways. Why waste so much time feeding the trolls?

The funniest part is that this thread really picked up the amount of posts after Anon's last post. Now, this thing does deserve a certain amount of attention, but I log in to check if anything new has happened and I see that there is 5-10 pages of nothing. Sure Bill is trying to pick up women, but I don't really care about that. Centrist is doing his/her (no offense) best to add value as are some others, but people like me who can't really add anything worthwhile should probably read more than we write.

I like this conspiracy website because I enjoy having a little laugh now and again, and I also enjoy checking out new info on some interestng things. Serpo was one of those things, but after time has gone on with no more information I must admit that I am claiming a 'work' here. I am absolutely disgusted by the immaturity of 'UFOlogists' who just make up their own information, and am just as disgusted that some posters claim that we should wait to see who is right. I think by stopping caring these self-esteem deprived e-cred hopefuls will just simply fall of the face of the earth.

Forget the government. They will tell you (if there is anything to tell) when the feel like it. Sure, it is a jerk thing to do, but what are you gonna do? Anyone claiming this same story (not the specifics, but you all know that you've seen this story before) in the past has turned up nothing. This will be no different.

Titor is the best hoax and anyone trying to top it has fallen short. Including Serpo.

Go ahead, Anonymous (if you are reading this). Prove me wrong, knock my socks off, I'd welcome it. I believe that either you don't have the courage to be the man or you are a troll. the man, if you have the goods, the title is up for grabs. But for now you are a dissapointment.

If I was internet-attention starved I'm pretty sure I could do 100% better of a job than what I have seen as far as hoaxes usually go. I'm sure no one cares about my negative sounding opinion, but I'm not doing this for attention so I don't care.

Remember the golden intarweb rule: Don't Feed The Trolls



posted on Dec, 17 2005 @ 11:46 PM
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This site (serpo) has interested me for awhile now, and this thread started off really well. However, now on the 33rd page, and even with Bill Ryan here, it has lost a lot of steam.


Nah
It's just changed focus a bit. Earlier it was on Serpo itself, now it's on the more topical exchange between Doty and Burisch. The threads evolving with the times


More seriously, I think that we've reached a very interesting point -- we have two people promising disclosure (or, perhaps, two "groups") and disputes arising between them.... how much more dramatic can this get? You've got to admit, this is a lot more fun than leafing through dusty boxes of ancient documents scanning for keywords.

Hoax? Double hoaxes? Disinformation vs. disclosure? This is the most fun ufology has seen in quite some time, and us pundits have a front-row seat. Sure, this thread may be getting long, but it's becoming a fascinating chronicle of the events. I think it's our duty to continue to engage in "pure, unadulterated speculation" until we haphazardly stumble into the truth -- whatever that truth may be.

Centrist



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Centrist

More seriously, I think that we've reached a very interesting point -- we have two people promising disclosure (or, perhaps, two "groups") and disputes arising between them.... how much more dramatic can this get? You've got to admit, this is a lot more fun than leafing through dusty boxes of ancient documents scanning for keywords.

Centrist


It's actually three groups (Doty + Burisch + Anon)


I am sure there has been a few posters that knows more (for real)
than they are willing to share (the fear factor?). Note the number of posters that have joined ATS very recently? What about ANRD ( posted on 3-12-2005 at 23:12 Post Number: 1841355 (post id: 1863248))? Another one is SEXYMOM - she claims:


Originally posted by sexymon

I hear time and time again posters asking "human" questions about alien cultures. There is no human answer, just an answer, and for the majority of us, one that is misunderstood.

[edit on 12/16/2005 by sexymon]

and in her profile


former aerospace employee with a clearance. worked on many defense and related projects, but the most interesting being a project to file and archive much to do about UFO's and the like.....


Since Bill Rayn's participation here, al lot of speculation has been cleared up (but it almost seems as if Bill also has to speculate widely as most of us, however I really value his contribution here).

The challenge surely would be to get 1) Rick Doty 2) Dan Burisch 3) Victor Martinez 4) Linda How 5) Bill Hamilton 6) Jack Sarfatti and the ultimate 7)Mr Anonymous to join ATS and this (for me) highly entertaining discussion thread on ATS! (Missed someone?)

Who can do it - only the power players here on ATS perhaps - HELP PLEASE Skeptic Overlord +

Let the game continues....


[edit on 18-12-2005 by jgbjgb]



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 01:58 AM
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Welcome to ATS Mr. Ryan, I apologize for the lateness of my welcome. I hope you enjoy your time here, but be careful, most of us find it quite addictive.

It's late and I got off work at midnight so I'll keep this short and just put in my two cents.

One cent: In regards to the "physics being different on other planets" argument I'd like to point out that not only is the Eben planet a different planet but is located within a binary star system. In this case the term "binary" refers to there being two stars and as I recall the Eben's two suns orbited eachother. Given the binary factor it is quite easy to consider physics, particulary Keppler's Law, to be quite different.

Think of it this way, if you throw a rock into a calm pond you get ripples. If you throw two rocks into the pond you get infinitly more complex ripples with often interesting and ultimatly unpredictable hydrodynamic qualities.

Two cent: I don't know about Doty or Burisch as I must admit this thread is the first time I've heard about them. Given the possibility that one or both of them could be a disinfo agent and the fact that they seem to be trying to out do one another, could there be a third "disclosure event"? With Doty and Burisch tying up the lines we may be missing somthing else that is happening, or trying to happen. Is it at all possible that both these stories are designed to simply distract us from a real disclosure? Or to obscure the true third story as I believ one of them is qouted as saying? Could there be disclosure happening in much the same way but in a different language. Perhaps the Serpo story is true, except that it was Russia, not the US that made contact and the disclosure is happening right now in russian.

Oh well, just a few thoughts. I'm still waiting on those pictures!



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 02:51 AM
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enough already,

just post the pictures.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by porky1981
enough already,

just post the pictures.


Hear hear. Enough of the philosophising, until we see the pics, this entire thread could be worthless except to a few hardcore roleplaying geeks.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 04:09 AM
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what do you think we'll get to see in these images?



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by porsche2006
what do you think we'll get to see in these images?


From serpo.org...

— one photograph shows the entire Team standing next to an Eben home, with several Ebens standing in the background;
— another photograph shows the Team's new home in the north;
— another photograph shows an Eben village in the north;
— another photograph shows a group of Ebens playing their "soccer" game.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 07:27 AM
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posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 11:50 AM
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dgtempe............hehehehehe



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 12:39 PM
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What does everyone think about the images from the "Public Acclimation Program" handbook posted under the Consistencies section. If you want to ponder on images, what do think about these? Fake? A very good photoshop job? Is this manual for real?



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
What does everyone think about the images from the "Public Acclimation Program" handbook posted under the Consistencies section. If you want to ponder on images, what do think about these? Fake? A very good photoshop job? Is this manual for real?


Hard to tell. In this day and age, it's easy to create something like that in Photoshop, print it out, bind the edges and scan it in. Technology is making it harder to pick out fake docs/images/video, especially since everything only takes a couple of clicks of the mouse to complete. Everything's point-and-click in the software now....hell, even my girlfriend who's only a little computer literate is copying/pasting images together to get the effects she wants now. Imagine if a graphic artist armed with Photoshop and the latest tools could come up with.



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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I agree they would be very easy to fake! Saying that though I personally felt that the way it was written/came across felt right or how I would expect a military manual to read, although again anyone with knowledge of writing any type of manual could reproduce this easily I suppose just my thoughts!



posted on Dec, 18 2005 @ 02:50 PM
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Just in case some of you aren't monitoring the Stargate forum, this just came in from DonDep.....who is apparently on "the list."



I wanted to point out what's been going on with the "debate" over the Serpo vs. DB stories. Some time ago, within the past two months, certain of us found ourselves on a quite lengthy email list that includes some of the bigger names in ufoology. Even Rick Doty admits that he suddenly found himself on this list which was new to him as it was to me. I'm now under the impression that someone put us all on the same list in order to promulgate the Serpo story. Bill Ryan took up the cause with genuine enthusiasm (and complete but understandable naivete) when he offered to establish the serpo.org website, and Victor Martinez continued to be the point man for receiving the 'anonymous' postings.

I think that a careful analysis of this entire exercise will show that everything was orchestrated from on high (the Aviary) and believe it or not, they may have used the development of the Golden Thread as a model. There is ONE BIG DIFFERENCE: we are here as a result of an organic development, as opposed to having been 'brought together'. No-one put the original populants of Vol. 1 of this thread together artificially; we all found it first on GLP, of our own volition, and thereafter through the days on ED (before the stewardess of note decided it was her own personal fiefdom to tyrannize), a brief moment when Marci stepped in to the rescue, and finally to here, where we are evolving a working synthesis between 'inside' and 'outside' to help birth Disclosure.

Dan has said that Rick Doty "isn't part of the conversation"; that's true, he isn't part of this conversation, but he's been made a part of the larger conversation that will be taking place in the larger global consciousness. At least someone included him on their master 'list'. Since then, he's been attempting to maintain his high profile as an 'expert witness' in this struggle, just as George Knapp has. Well, as Dan points out, those chaps have had their day, and despite their fierce protestations, their mindset has been found wanting by newer energies.

The "Class of the 1980s" never graduated. Stanton Friedman, voted Most Likely to Succeed, succeeded in besting Phil Klass, true. He's still searching for a 'Bob Woodward' to uncover the 'cosmic Watergate', while Mr. Woodward himself has become the 'official court stenographer' for the present regime. Jaime Shandera; what ever happened to him? Linda Moulton-Howe, while given the opportunity of interviewing Dan, has recently admitted that it was her superiors at the network who pressed her to hand Mr. Doty an ultimatum [back-in-their-day] to have the then-current Administration go on record with affidavits to verify the claims that she, Linda, would then issue to the public. (If that were the case, Linda, what use would they have for you?). Mr. Doty abruptly terminated the nascent effort, as should have been expected. Bill Moore admitted to being co-opted and helping foist disinfo onto the public in his understandable effort to learn even more secret secrets, and therefore his word too has been discredited, just as Mr. Doty's was. Bill Cooper, once he rebelled, was coralled into funadmentalism in an effort to hold onto his sanity, but nonetheless ended up dead as a result of a shoot-out in the Wild Wild West, where Bob Lazar also ended up, retired in New Mexico having exploited his minute insight to its fullest. Too bad he hadn't taken the time to fully absorb all those briefing books up at the Ranch before taking the rash course of action. There were more in that Class, not to mention the bad boy Branton and Commander X, but the reader gets the idea.

The Class of the 1990s fared somewhat better, in that Dr. Greer was able to muster hundreds of gov't. witnesses that were and are willing to go on the record before Congress, if only the call would come. I heard many of them first-hand, having attended the Disclosure Conference that week in 2001, but that Conference was more of an Amway distributor's convention, and despite the many news crews that were there, nary a one of them was shown on American television....unless perhaps buried in the wee hours of cable. The only attention paid to it by the media heavyweights in print journalism was a light-hearted jab by a jokemeister, one Joel Achenbach, for the Washington Post. This should prove to the interested viewer exactly HOW controlled the seemingly-stupid mass media is. That vapidity is highly-contrived, of course. They DO know better, their puffed talking heads actually sitting in the gallery when the vaunted Committee of the Majority would meet. How can one fight City hall when even those that are professionally trained to do just that are on the City Hall payroll? Or rather, both they and City Hall draw their sustenance from the same "hand that feeds" (check out the new Nine Inch Nails disc for a great treatement of that concept).

So what am I leading up to? I was speaking of this carefully-orchestrated attempt to put us 'in the mix', either to see how we would fare in comparison to the Serpon(a)uts, or in a naive belief we would join in with them in promulgating a hoax which would then be exposed and having the DB saga flushed right along with them when the handle was pulled. Now I would suggest that we have at least won "Round One" in that these people are squirming about having Affidavits used as the currency for Disclosure. They argue endlessly about the tecnicalities and meaninglessness of those things, but the fact is as plain as day: if you are sincere enough to swear that you are telling the truth (as Dan has done) then you should have no fear of being dragged into a court of law for perjury. Here's the latest, as of 2:51am my time last night/this morning:

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Rick Doty (to the 'list'):
“Tell Mr. Deppeller the Penalty of perjury does not exist until one is in a court of law.”

My reply (to the 'list'):
"My point exactly. The bamboozler makes every attempt to avoid accountability for telling falsehoods, which can land him in a court of law. If his statements are true, and the facts sworn to, there is no fear of a court of law finding his statements perjurious. If the nominal cost (between $1 and $2 USD per Affidavit, if not free) is a burden, I'm happy to pay it. This list could take up a collection if penury becomes a defense.

Regards,
Don"



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