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Originally posted by futureafter
Just for the record, I'm not sure why anyone would think I was apologizing for Bill. If you'll look back a few pages you'll see that my stance was to criticize Bill for refusing to allow the IP's to be checked. He's clearly made some moves that destroys his credibility as of late. I also completly agree with the ATS admins that Bill's comments should be kept off of ATS untill he is willing to come here himself and publish them.
Also speaking of "recently registered" members. You appear to have been registered for about 2 weeks now yourself....Have you even had time to read the entire thread?
Originally posted by promomag
I'm here to find out where all this data is? If there is "data" to discuss, by all means present it. Other wise, this discussion has taken the course it will naturaly take anyways.
Bring on the data.
Originally posted by Unplugged
I bet proserpinfrmr is a sock-puppet for one of the mods around here, or probably Shawna, since she loves jumping to conclusions.
Originally posted by Springer
To STOP with the personality issues, who is and who is not a Ryan appologist is just BORING and OFF TOPIC.
The trolls will go away by themselves if we ignore them. There is NOBODY in this debate that knows who is here for real discussion about the topic and who is here for "other purposes".
Time and STAYING ON TOPIC will take care of these issues.
Personally I think everyone who has posted today is here for the discussion so let's proceed based on that and STAY ON TOPIC.
We have LOTS of actual data to discuss and much to ponder and resolve.
Originally posted by mikesingh
I'm with you here.
So the next best thing is to lay bare the CREDIBILITY of those involved. Not a bad thing after all. Thats the crunch point here.
Originally posted by mikesingh
I mean, until something new or Earth shattering comes up, we're just shooting the breeze. So the next best thing is to lay bare the CREDIBILITY of those involved. Not a bad thing after all. Thats the crunch point here.
But, needless to say, this should done in a fair manner.
Originally posted by Cutwolf
Let me get this straight - Bill has been passing his "Anon" off as being real and he didn't actually confirm that?
I wanted to point out what's been going on with the "debate" over the Serpo vs. DB stories. Some time ago, within the past two months, certain of us found ourselves on a quite lengthy email list that includes some of the bigger names in ufoology. Even Rick Doty admits that he suddenly found himself on this list which was new to him as it was to me. I'm now under the impression that someone put us all on the same list in order to promulgate the Serpo story. Bill Ryan took up the cause with genuine enthusiasm (and complete but understandable naivete) when he offered to establish the serpo.org website, and Victor Martinez continued to be the point man for receiving the 'anonymous' postings.