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Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

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posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by pkrska
Does anyone else notice the amount of gramatical errors on the lastest posts at Serpo.org? It could not have been written by anyone that is educated and schooled to be a scientist, officer, or anyone above the normal grunt. I doubt the US Army, Navy or Government would send someone who is uneducated to a planet to takes notes.


The only thing I can attribute to the grammatical errors is when traveling there they had space sickness and once there the weather was 140 degrees. A binary star system would mess me up on a daily basis.




posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by lucianarchy
So, it was drawn. Woo. No #, Sherlock!!


It was drawn by a human with an architectural object template, not an Eben from Serpo.

And we don't need swearing.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
Anyone have any info from Victor, comments on the recent turn of events and what he thinks might happen next?

Yes. But I'm not certain he would want it repeated here without permission. His WebTV system is having trouble with ATS and has a limited access to reading posts.

I'll see if there's anything he'd like to add to the discussion.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by lucianarchy
So, it was drawn. Woo. No #, Sherlock!!


It was drawn by a human with an architectural object template, not an Eben from Serpo.

And we don't need swearing.


Oh, sorry about that. I am English. Lol!

Did someone say an Eben drew it ?



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:53 PM
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thanks S.O. I'm really curious as to where he stands on all of this.

I vaguely recall Bill saying he wasn't on the list for the first anon post (perhaps two posts). If that is right, he joined after anon posted and then took control of setting up a website for anon posts. Is this true? If so, did Victor know Bill before he joined the list? If not, why give him the right to post the stuff from anon? Why not someone who was on the list that Victor was more familiar with?



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:53 PM
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double post - the ebens made me do it.

[edit on 6-2-2006 by Crakeur]



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:55 PM
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Did someone say an Eben drew it ?

No, it was drawn with an architect ruler.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by lucianarchy
Did someone say an Eben drew it ?


It was presented as "Eben Object". With a lack of any supporting documentation to explain what it is, it's clear that it was created with a template you can find in many art supply stores.

The explanation: "The diagram below was downloaded, printed, and then scanned into a Word program supplied by Anonymous, all precisely as per detailed instructions," is also rather suspect.

Why was it printed and scanned? Why not just scale the original image?

Scanned into Word? Why so complex? Word is a very poor application for representing graphic information.

Where did Bill get a high-quality scanner that is able to scan 100% black late at night in rural Switzerland?

The combination of events: 1) common template used to create the shapes, 2) overly complex description, 3) Suspect availability of hardware, and 4) lack of supporting description make the drawing the one piece of Serpo data with overwhelming credibility issues.



To Be Fair

It's still possible that Bill is the unwitting mouthpiece for the "hoaxification" of Serpo related the the change to Anon2 and the "firing" of Victor. Given some of Bill's proactive championing of some of the material, it's somewhat unlikely, but still within the realm of possibility.


[edit on 6-2-2006 by SkepticOverlord]



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
I vaguely recall Bill saying he wasn't on the list for the first anon post (perhaps two posts). If that is right, he joined after anon posted and then took control of setting up a website for anon posts. Is this true?


He was on one of Victor's other email lists. Through conversation, Victor learned about Bill's interest in UFO's and invited him to the UFO list.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:08 PM
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thanks for answering that S.O. it makes the bulk of my questions pointless but my wife tells me that the bulk of everything I say is pointless.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:14 PM
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Soo..

If Bill is a Scientologist does that mean that Hoagland is too?

Wasn't he (according to many) inexplicably in the know regarding the Serpo thing?

Althoug I was at first disgusted by the ATS communities quick embrace of another truly ludicrous hoax - I think there is some value to all this.

It allows for an interesting observation of how peoples belief systems can often over ride their common sense.

A recent study of which came out regarding peoples Political Partisanship and their often inability to critically evaluate the inconsistancies of their own favored candidates when presented with actual evidence.

[Political Partisans Addicted To Irrational Defense Of Their Tribes]

www.futurepundit.com...

My questions is this - are we learning from these instances of mob mentality?

Are their ways for us to sharpen our collective tools of evaluation - or is the internet inudating us with too much information to critically examine on a large scale?

Should UFO related froums be seperated into young and old, traditionally educated and non-educated sections?

I want to believe that ATS's emphasis on inclusiveness IS the best way to tap into all the creative and informative participants out there - but does it really work?

I have my own answers to these questions - but what is important is that we learn from these grand hoaxes and move forward the Science of UFOlogy, and not just add to the Mythology of it.

And as for Scientologists motives - it was one who got me back interested in UFO's - and it is clear that they, like the Ralieans, want peopel to believe.

I would put nothing past them in these matters - their agenda is forceful indeed.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The combination of events: 1) common template used to create the shapes, 2) overly complex description, 3) Suspect availability of hardware, and 4) lack of supporting description make the drawing the one piece of Serpo data with overwhelming credibility issues.


Also I find it hard to believe that all the shapes from the architectural Template scale perfectly to the design of the Serpo object. No need to scale up or down the size of any of the shapes because the template just happened to perfectly match the way the Serpo object component related to each other as far as size.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:23 PM
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From the serpo site:

“ The diagram below was downloaded, printed, and then scanned into a Word program supplied by Anonymous, all precisely as per detailed instructions.

The outlined circle did not appear in the original download; however, as the diagram was scanned, the circle appeared in the Word program. Because this created a 4 Mb document and the individual components could easily be accidentally clicked and dragged, I created a screenshot of it and produced a far smaller .gif”

Okay, I don’t have the ‘detailed instructions’ but there are Some instructions, and what the hey, *shrugs* I’ll stick my hand in the horses mouth and actually try to count the teeth in there…

a) I downloaded the .gif from the serpo site

b) I printed out the .gif onto a white piece of paper (8.5 X 11)

c) I then scanned that paper into Microsoft WORD 2000 (other versions of Word exist, this the version I have… to my knowledge, only Microsoft Word programs are referred to as “Word” )

d) I scanned it at 150 dpi 24 bit color photo, the saved word doc came out 631 kb.

e) I scanned it at 300 dpi 24 bit color photo, the saved word doc came out at 2.3 MB

f) I scanned it at 600 dpi 24 bit color photo, the saved word doc came out at 7.72 MB hmmm… too big.

g) I scanned it at 600 dpi 8 bit grey scale, the saved word doc came out at 2.80MB

h) I got bored with all of the scanning.

i) I’m assuming that 1200 dpi grey scale or 2400 dpi 1 bit black and white would generate something close to the 4MB mark… don’t have the time anymore to try and find the perfect combination of settings…

j) In All instances, the entire image itself could indeed be moved around within the word doc, however,

k) In No instance could the individual elements within the picture diagram be moved around:

“Because this created a 4 Mb document and the individual components could easily be accidentally clicked and dragged, I created a screenshot of it and produced a far smaller .gif”

I’m using an HP OfficeJet K60 to scan, Dell Dimension 4100 desktop PC running Windows ME 2000 to run Word…

Has anybody been able to recreate the “clicked and dragged” effect described by Bill by scanning an image and sending it to Word (or any other program, for that matter)

Whenever I scan a sheet of paper (image) I have always ended up with a single layered image… not the multi layered effect he describes on his web site….


rock on
twj



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by SKMDC1

Including the upper level UFO cult "Operating Thetan" beliefs which is what makes it suspicious that he's a such a player in Rons Org AND the mouthpiece of Serpo.


Thank you for so eloquently correcting lucianarchy (sp?) on his post.

One other correction is needed though. Bill say he was NOT a member of the CoS, and I wouldn't have expected him to say anything else. See this post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And while I can't prove that this is the same Bill Ryan as our Serpo Bill - I've been unable to find any other "Bill Ryan" involved in any group linked with L. Ron Hubbard's applied philosophy. Why would Bill be listed as an enemy of the CoS if he only joined Ron's Org after they split off from the CoS? My suspicion is that he was, in fact, a member of the CoS and at a very high level. And when they imploded in the early 1980's, our Serpo Bill went with the Ron's Org spin off group.

And how is this all relevant you ask? Do your research on what, specifically their underlying "Operating Thetan" philosophy is and you will understand. This may be a good place to start.

www.xs4all.nl...



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
Also I find it hard to believe that all the shapes from the architectural Template scale perfectly to the design of the Serpo object.


And, why not just free-hand it?

Either it's a precise drawing (setting aside that it may be a back plate of a ceiling fan) in which case there should be labels.

Or it's an unimportant (perhaps illegitimate) sketch. Then why not just jot it down? These shapes are not hard to draw.

The care that was taken to place everything just so and use a template BEGS for labels... or a title... or a number. Something.

Or else just make a quick sketch. They had a pencil.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by torbjon
k) In No instance could the individual elements within the picture diagram be moved around:


Excellent! (Think Mr. Burns)

I was hoping someone would do this because it DOESN'T make sense that the components could be dragged around on a scanned drawing. In fact, I believe that's quite impossible!

Good job!



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch
To the mods: Do you have any way (IP) to see if Bill Ryan is still checking the page? It would be interesting to know..

No.

Unless you watch his profile that shows he was indeed on ATS today.

Thank you, didnt think of that.

But IMO it definately shows that Bill Ryan has left the game on ATS, be that hoax or anything.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:33 PM
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I thought I'd throw in a couple of thoughts about the drawing. It seems the discussion is leaning towards a "why this and not that" direction, and I figured I'd contribute a little.

It's really hard to get into an argument like that; people are different, people do stupid or wierd things sometimes that seem perfectly normal to them. There's really no way to use the diagram for anything other than reasonable doubt. The person drawing it may have decided that the template was close enough to scale to work, or they wanted to get the shapes right and weren't too concerned about the scale. They may have done it with the intention of going back to label it and then forgot. It may just be part of a bigger diagram that never got completed.

For what it's worth, I'm not trying to debunk the issue or prove it's validity; I'm honestly quite tired of hearing about Serpo and I'd wish something would be settled one way or the other PDQ. Hoax or not, I just want something more concrete than an iffy diagram and discrepancies in the story, all of which can be explained to death either way with a decent enough imagination.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Why was it printed and scanned? Why not just scale the original image?

Scanned into Word? Why so complex? Word is a very poor application for representing graphic information.
[edit on 6-2-2006 by SkepticOverlord]


Another shot to the credibility of ebenobject is the mysteriously appearing circle:

from serpo.org, Bill's statement preceeding anonymous post 15


The outlined circle did not appear in the original download; however, as the diagram was scanned, the circle appeared in the Word program.


Why? Anyone ever have this happen? Strange.

and also this, from the same statement:



The diagram below was downloaded, printed, and then scanned into a Word program supplied by Anonymous, all precisely as per detailed instructions.


What? Anon sent a Word program? What kind of program is this? I don't understand why a special program was supplied. Very Strange.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 02:51 PM
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OK, Bill has renewed communications, but for the time being, it's not on this forum. I still believe that's a shame. [edit] I am letting you know about new developments. But even so, I'll respect the admin's decision.

[edit]



Mod Edit: to remove advertisement.

[edit on 6-2-2006 by kinglizard]



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