Irrelevant Postulates

Originally posted by Produkt
And if they don't match or one come's from germany, another from japan and yet another from the netherlands? What would that mean? We've got an international hoax going on now?

Not necessarily. However, all such speculation is pointless without knowing the data.

Again, I don't see the point in attempting to discourage investigation. If someone presents evidence like this in the future as some sort of proof, then by all means feel free to critique it however you like.

Getting all bent out of shape about it when it's not even clear that this information will even be made available doesn't make any sense. There's no need to skip ahead and borrow trouble.

Is there any special reason why this particular issue bothers you so much?

Read you loud and clear, Waffo!

I've been 'told off' for putting the link here before, so I won't, but if you want to keep afloat with a 'condensed' version of what's going on, with not so much hysteria, just google 'serpo project' and look for a forum for 'open minds'....

Peace.

[edit on 5-2-2006 by lucianarchy]

Between the repeat post, post that ask a question of a question,
accusations that go on in bold as if they represent fact or mean something.
Posters who admit to not reading all pages yet chim in asking about something that was answered 10 pages back.
Val asked a question about the IP. Let it be answered by Bill.
There are 2 pages arguing about it already.

The Mods/Owners need to step in here to control some of this.

Originally posted by lucianarchy
wow, i got a 'warning' and points deducted for posting a quote to show Shawnna how she'd got her quotes skewed - , yet a moderator went rogue and slapped a global ignore on Bill, and another moderator just ups and calls Bill a "liar", with no proof at all, just supposition!


Sorry, guys/gals, but why should we respect moderators who can't moderate their own behaviour?

Bad form.

I predicted (yesterday) that more info would be forthcoming if the community acted responsibly and with positive demeanour. I was right, and my hypothesis grows stronger.

Please, let's enable. not disable the flow of information coming from camp anonymous.

[edit on 5-2-2006 by lucianarchy]

Why is the only image available of a drawing I could have done in 8th grade Geometry class. I'd figure that the first one out would be one with some hope of confirming the story, like everyone hanging out with the Ebens. Something of the Eben home world, maybe the Giant snake thing, or it's carcass, or it's head alone. Maybe an image of the binary star system in which they live, maybe simply a photograph of an Eben on Earth after the crash. I have a hard time believing that this is the only picture they have.

At this point, I'm going to have to call B***S***. I think the reason it's such a general image is that a real one would have been subject to too much scruteny, and in the end judged false. A drawing can't be proven to be anything but that. A real image would very well be proven to be edited and tampered with.

[edit on 5-2-2006 by Rasobasi420]

OK, this is just WEIRD!!

I went to put the kettle on, and an adobe format image has 'appeared' on my pc desktop. The image is of a 'Tardis'.

It is NOT mine. I have NEVER seen this before. No one else is in my house. I run a firewalled route system. Nothing like this has ever happened to me before!!

OK, time to score some Lithium, methinks....

Originally posted by lucianarchy
- , yet a moderator went rogue and slapped a global ignore on Bill,

Are you just saying this, which mod went rogue?

Bill is not on global ignore.

[edit on 5-2-2006 by SpittinCobra]

I may get slapped with a warning for this post, but right about now, after today's "bloodbath", to quote Bill Ryan, I could care less.

I really enjoyed this thread for a while, but with several mods acting in a somewhat less than professional manner, to put it mildy, the whole thing is getting less and less entertaining. If you wanna sling mud, shouldn't you be clicking on the link at the top of the page for PTS?

SO or the other Amigos, can we please get somebody in here who'll crack the whip, stop the bitching, and get this thread back on track please? Gazrok comes to mind, if he/she (no idea) is still around.

Thanks in advance,



Hokkaido Hillbilly

Gonna have to agree with Rasobasi420

Imaging my shock and excitement this morning as I log in and see "SERPO IMAGE POSTED" in big bold letters at the top of my screen. I rush to the thread to see what's going on, and I too am disappointed by some crappy drawing of a bunch of lines, that isn't even labelled and has no explaination at all attached to it. No offense, but even John Titor produced more convincing, viable scans than this.

If I had to guess, I would say it is the electrical system/machine that was talked about on the Serpo site. Is there any electricians on this thread, and can they find anything remotely close to electrical symbols in the scan?

lucianarchy, what is a tardis and what is the pic of? Maybe you should post it here if it has some relevance.

[edit on 5-2-2006 by Yarcofin]

Originally posted by lucianarchy
Bad form.

This subject is turning into a polarizing issue with exceptionally strong opinions and some feel that ATS is being used to promote a hoax and/or someone's initial "viral marketing" agenda for either a product or speaking engagements and publishing deals.

As such, commentary may get heated as important unanswered questions continue.

With this in mind, it's not an excuse for heated exchanges, but it is indeed an explanation that deserves consideration.

We need to do our best to continue in a polite tone, but when an evasive stance is encountered, sometimes politeness is difficult to maintain.

Let's all find a degree of patience as the important questions about confirming the dual "Mr. Anonymous" and what seems to be an image that is a supreme disappointment for those following this story.



Personally, I now feel there are serious issues, not the least of which is the image that was offered. And if it were completely up to me, this thread would be trashed.

But let's see how this continues to play out, and perhaps learn if the first anonymous was a valid source of possible disclosure. That should be our focus.

Hahaha!!!!

Take care when you attempt to interpretate something that has no reference. Its an open invitation to deal a whammer followed by phrases such as ' folks see what they wanna see'.

Same thing happened in the mars cydonia episodes.

Take this suggestion. DON'T attempt to interpretate anything but continue to ask or wait for serpo's clarification on what 'device' this and what are we suppose to see. Better the author takes responsibility for the image than for others to assume that responsibility which is not theirs in the first place to take.

Originally posted by Majic
Not necessarily. However, all such speculation is pointless without knowing the data.

Again, I don't see the point in attempting to discourage investigation. If someone presents evidence like this in the future as some sort of proof, then by all means feel free to critique it however you like.

Getting all bent out of shape about it when it's not even clear that this information will even be made available doesn't make any sense. There's no need to skip ahead and borrow trouble.

Is there any special reason why this particular issue bothers you so much?

Knowing each and every IP Anon has ever used doesn't help the project serpo case in any way whatsoever. As I pointed out, it's not hard for someone to spoof their IP, or for it to change through other means.

I'm not the one getting all bent out of shape over it, Val is. I could care less what Anon's IP's are, they don't prove, disprove anything other then IF Bill know's they're different or not. Even IF Bill know's they're different and isn't telling, I can't blame him for not telling when you look at someone like Val in regard's to the IP.

The only reason I'm posting about this is because IP's are useless here in trying to argue if this is a hoax or not. It's not hard at all for me to appear to be posting from Japan, or if I travel, to appear from another state. Big whoop, my IP's are different, does that disprove who I am or the story I tell? No.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
All his e-mails have been deleted by his Web TV system.

Would you please explain this to me? How did his WebTV system
delete his emails? Is there a time limit to how long they stay
on the system or was there a crash of some kind? What
happened ... gov't tampering? Thank you.


[edit on 2/5/2006 by FlyersFan]

An additional issue that needs some consideration is how Bill was able to obtain a high-quality scanner late at night in rural Switzerland.

And it must be of very high quality to give us 100% black areas, and straight lines from a scanned image off a print out of line art. Anyone who has used a scanner for print production will know what I'm talking about.

I don't know what you mean SO. I have like a $50 scanner from 5 years ago, and it can scan any image with photo quality. There are other settings like Black & White yeah it will turn out horrible, but if you use the highest quality it's about the same as a digital camera pic. I think he could have just thrown it into any old HP Scanner.

I think you got ripped off on whatever scanner you bought .

[edit on 5-2-2006 by Yarcofin]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Many people are misunderstanding our concerns over matching IP's and Valhall's initial anger over the issue.

She has shown (by linking to Bill's posts), that it appears as though he has represented that he did indeed match IP's when answering questions related to his new role as mouthpiece for "anonymous".

As it turns out, Victor is reporting that no such comparison has occurred.

The IP issue is two-fold. On one had, the sequence of information makes it look like Bill was deceptive about confirming he was communicating with the original "anonymous", and a "blind" comparison (through Victor) of the IP Bill is seeing with the IP's Victor saw may yield a level of confirmation.

It's unfortunate that the exchange over this issue has become heated, but it is evolving into a pivotal credibility issue... and thus, important to resolve.

Where's he say he's compared the IP's? I reread some odd post's back where he says he hasn't compared IP's. Another post saying victor's email's are automaticly deleted by his web tv. etc. I haven't noticed anything saying he compared IP's. Can someone link me to the post where he specificly state's he has compared IP's, cuz I can't find the damn thing.

Originally posted by Yarcofin
I don't know what you mean SO. I have like a $50 scanner from 5 years ago, and it can scan any image with photo quality. There are other settings like Black & White yeah it will turn out horrible, but if you use the highest quality it's about the same as a digital camera pic. I think he could have just thrown it into any old HP Scanner.

First, scan such an image into a word document. Second, print it out. Third, scan it into a .gif file, suitable (size) for upload to the web.

The "black" in the original doument will not be completely "black" in the final .gif file, due to image degradation throughout, unless as SO noted you were to use a very high-end scanner.