Greetings fellow earthlings:
After lurking for two years (just kidding, well, not really...eh, forget it) ... I've decided to weigh in on this, my first really interesting thread
on ATS. Here's my .02:
In any phenomenon regarding the ability of humans, human society and human nature to accept a condition, we find 3 crowds
-> Disbelievers: will always seek to avoid belief and can be expected to sit on the fence but lean towards the disproof of all things related to the
-> Agnostics: will always care very little about the outcome until the outcome is actually something other than what they expect, and then will jump
to either side that they've always had a hidden preference for.
-> Believers: The Jodi Foster types. Always believe, even in the face of simple doubt and advanced disinformation and repeated attempts to
Me? I'm all three, with belief being my preference, agnosticism being my mainstay and disbelief being my easy escape from something such as the
Serpo thread if it turns out that way. But in fact, it's not actually. In the end, none of these matter in the face of the POSSIBILITY (there
exists one) and PROBABILITY (ditto) that Superior Alien Races could, do and in fact, have been existing for many more years than we've been picking
dinosaur bones from our teeth.
Let me bring up a few key points that identify why my belief neurons are firing over this thread, Serpo, and the alien question in
(1) First, too much of the information is presented here in a matter-of-fact way.
This is not the modus operandi of hoaxers and attention
seekers. In fact, as I read the first line it produced itself as someone who was explaining something, not attempting to prove it. That speaks
volumes and if you have any sense of understanding of human psychology and the nature of man, you'll agree with my general statement that those who
appear as though they have nothing to prove -- generally don't. In fact, with this thread, no attempt has been made to hype it nor have any attempts
been made to substantiate it beyond what has been presented or referenced. Bill Ryan has done nothing more than simply present the documentation, and
defend the practices of those attempting to release the information in accordance with 'best intentions efforts'. Aren't hoaxes traditionally
presented using glamorous, often attention-grabbing methods? I don't see any of that here. Let's assume then, that Bill has nothing to do with
this other than being the man in the middle. Conveniently, also, that allows us to assume he's neutral, insignificant (sorry Bill!) and so much more
not important than we are thinking. Then, kids, it's the data that we need to scrutinize, and not so much Mr. Bill Ryan.
(2) Next, the information in this thread from Anonymous and/or Bill Ryan can be easily compared to many (too many, in fact) other sources of
general information that has been circling our planet information streams for the past 60 years.
You could almost erroneously discredit this
entire thread as "Nothing new to see here, move on" as more points were identified and researched. Therein lies the key error: the identification,
discussion and subsequent disbelief of the story based upon premature detail-based analysis. Instead, we must connect the dots. Often it's easier
(and quicker) to see how well this story fits in with mainstream potential 'fits' among the popular UFO/ET crowd. I'm thinking, it's going to be
fitting REALLY well, which is scary. And, thus more probable as truth by the minute. To sum: there really isn't much that's NEW here, except for
the tying in of all available data and providing a core story that seems to integrate all of these discrete pieces of information into a single
coherent, cohesive and consistent explanation -- which is what we all really want deep down. Then, once we identify the size of puzzle that we're
working with (uh, pre-civilization to present), we can begin to vett detail. There are, undoubtedly, many other questions that need to be answered
and holes that need to have data pushed into them for this to work out in a way that makes most of the people happy, but who says this isn't the way
it's going to happen? I mean, I think people here are WAY too eager to rush to a completion. I think if Bill Ryan had been provided all of the
information at once, there wouldn't even be a solid way for him to release it in a manner that didn't alarm others or allow the skeptic masses and
conditioned disbelievers to issue blanket statements regarding the 'canned' nature of the information. Sheesh, (if they are) the shadow types are
way smarter than this.
(3) Where there is information there is disinformation.
This should be the sole genetic marker used to identify this story as a legitimate
candidate for truth and revelation. We have INFORMATION --and-- DISINFORMATION. What people should focus on is the fact that BOTH exist, and our
collective jobs is NOT to sort the wheat from the chaff but to stand in awe of the fact that both are present. In fact, [false] disinformation exists
soley to negate [truth] information. This nicely sums up my firmer belief that the more disinformation that appears contrary to any information we
receive in this thread is put there by individuals, organizations and others because the truth is too painful, to real, or simply too blunt.
Regarding Bill Ryan:
Bill will be discredited, disinformed against and generally put out as a target for a unrelenting crowd of disbelievers and skeptics to fire their
weapons of mass disbelief against. But we all know and should expect this to happen as it's a natural and convenient course of approach for those to
use that cannot accept the possiblity of this actually being true, however much of it, or however deep the truth. Those of us who hold out for goods
unknown and sight unseen will undoutedbly have to push through the throngs of nay-sayers and contra-information peddlers and continue to be patient.
In fact, I wish we could simply have a thread that only Bill could post in and answer questions to.
It's much too cluttered now, as is. Even in the event that this is a great hoax it would help to speed up the hoax-confirmation or de-hoaxing (if
you will) process. Meaning, if we give Bill a stage, he will undoutedbly perform or completely fail to perform. In any event, it simply allows the
process whatever that may be to hasten.
Belief In General -- Outside of Yours
Why its so hard to believe is beyond me. I completely can switch from belief to disbelief to agnosticism in a moments notice. The triangle of
positions fails to absolve the fact and truth that it is POSSIBLE and PROBABLE that Aliens, alien races and other intelligent life (defining
intelligence is difficult, so I'll just use that cursorily) exist in our known physical universe and/or reality of now.
Simply having a picture of my child does not make him more real. Requiring physical proof -- ala a sentient alien landing and performing an uninvited
anal probe on me -- in order to believe is shallow and very indicative of a person unwilling to accept potential realities in addition to the ones
they believe in. Love and hate exist, yet we can not see them save their manifestations in the human race via our emotions, actions and intentions.
Yet, the very absence of the physical proof the love drive simply fails as a method to discredit. Find and replace with Aliens, it works too.
I however embrace the rationale that "We are NOT alone" would raise a few eyebrows and result in predictable global mass hysteria. Economies would
collapse, armies would rampage and generally human society would undergo a paradigm shift as religion, faith, culture and human nature would take a
back seat until we really figured out what this all meant. Of course, the myriad of studies that undoutedbly have taken place by our collective
governments have already confirmed these concepts and we've been very careful (in my Aliens exist reality) to release information carefully and
One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.
Data can be misinterpreted. You're going for microscopic (no pun intended) details when a better approach might be to analyze high level
correlations (Socorro landing just posted in the thread, above) and mid-level data analysis. Why go for the atomic level when we still cannot
determine name, rank and serial # at this point? You're unnecessarily spinning your wheels, IMHO. You could probably discredit other data at a much
higher level, in effect.
Pictures, even supposed authentic ones, would serve to do no more than allow belief for a short period of time until the disbelief campaign and
mis/dis/anti-information machine had a chance to warm up.
- "A duplicate picture!"
- "The shadow on 501's leg is in the wrong position for the second sun on that day for that photo based upon my college-degreed calculations and
known positions of the celestial bodies in that area of the galaxy at that particular UTC."
...etc -- I can hear them all now already, can't you?
Me, I'd personally drool over photos, but I'm going to assume they're the least amount of solid proof that will really matter in the long run.
What about after the photos?
In fact, to All:
If proof were obtained, or this continued to evolve credibly, what really is next for all of us? Take off your anti-anti-anti-tinfoil hats and dream
with me a moment into future-land sometime later this year. Allow me to set the stage:
• Denial and isolation:
FALSE! TRUE! The Serpo thread produces a complete isolation of disbelievers and believers.
Each scorn the other and refute the others claims entirely without merit or second thought.
Down with the MAN! The masses begin intense riots and revolts against established authority, government and
rule. Chaos begins, but doesn't last long.
We wish to obtain assurances from the goverment and from our new galatic neighbors that we won't be
enslaved, consumed or otherwise folded, spindled or [gasp] mutilated.
Mass suicides and releases from traditional faiths. People see little hope or future for their race. Many
who have never thought beyond their next paycheck begin to think thousands of years in the future and see nothing but hopelessness. What *is* our
purpose, anyway? How many others are there? How low are we on the food chain?
Bring on the Aliens! I need a way to find how to lower my income taxes anyway, and I heard they don't pay
Taxes on Serpo.
Some Information In General, Completely at Random:
--> The Roman poet Lucretius (about 75 B.C.), wrote:
Granted, then, that empty space extends without limit in every direction and that seeds innumerable are rushing on countless courses through an
unfathomable universe. It is in the highest degree unlikely that this earth and this sky is the only one to have been created.
--> The Drake Equation? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?
--> Hundreds of thousands (potentially millions) of sightings, abductions, physical phenomenon - all possible chaff = something greater than zero.
[edit on 1-2-2006 by NextLevel]