Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

With all respect i submit to you that John Travolta and
Tom Cruise will be heard from next.

Documents, pictures, would be nice. I losttrack of why we dont have those yet. Can anyone explain why not? Will we ever?

No documents, no pictures, just a continuation of the "story".

It would be kind of fun to hear from John and/or Tom at this point! I'd love to post a few questions to them about the CoS, Ron's Org, Freezone, etc. etc.

Woooo, woooo, woooo

I just double-checked the copy of my team list that Bill posted on his website.... it shows 11 identified members and my comment that one member was missing:
"no number) Commander (Male)
102 (Male)
203 Weapons duties (security?)
420 Linguist (Male)
475 (Male)
518
633 Scientist or pilot (Male)
661 Scientist or pilot
700 Doctor
754 Doctor
899 Weapons duties (Male) (security?)
"

NOW... I distinctly remember pointing out that only 11 people had been identified at the time I posted that list. I NEVER IDENTIFIED ALL 12.

NOW... after the 308 story came out people started to say that this added up to 13 people. Someone posted what they claimed to be my list of the crewmembers. HOWEVER... if it showed more than 12 members IT WASN'T my list.

This means that someone added to my list somewhere (and that this list was used as the master by everyone else). This thread is so long, however, that I can't find the spot at which my list was changed.

Originally posted by defuntion

Originally posted by picklewalsh
No one got any links on the released documents, I will find it hard to belive this till i see these documents.

Nope. No documents have been made available. No Pictures either.

This is why , until i see those black and white copies, i will not/can't belive in this. This is in no way ment as an attack on you Bill, but i dont trust untill i see or experiance it myself.

Edit to add: This is also why we shouldn't take this 'story' to seriousely untill we do see them.

[edit on 30-1-2006 by picklewalsh]

Originally posted by Shawnna
Scientology's underlying system is one of mind control. So is Ron's Org. Do your research about Scientology, Ron's Org, Freezone, etc.

You'll see that the only thing that separates Scientology from Ron's Org and Freezone is who is in charge of each. Other than that, the techniques used and the underlying theology are identical.

And the underlying theology involves EBE and human hybrids.

I do believe there is a connection. I would never dream of attacking anyone for their faith. But, given the Serpo story, and what I believe is Bill's involvement with Ron's Org - there is definitely a connection that needs to be vetted.

At the very least Bill should have been up front about his Ron's Org involvement - given the obvious link.

IMHO - of course.

Shawnna, with the respect in which you know I hold you, may I say that your opinion is incorrect.

I'd given this no more thought about being "up front" about than I would have done about my sexual proclivities. There's no link, connection, or relevance.

Here's a question for you: if I'd anything to hide, don't you think I'd have shielded or withheld my name in connection with the UK Ron's Org event on 22 Jan? That was out in the open on the net for anyone to see. There was no attempt to hide, and there's not now either.

Re the Ron's Orgs and what they stand for and the work they do, I very probably know more about that than anyone else on this thread. There's a lot in common with Buddhism at a reasonably high level. (Should I disclose the details of my recall of my previous lives? I can do that too, if you like. While this thread would then immediately become even weirder, I have absolutely no objection.)

The modus operandi of the Ron's Orgs is very different from those in the Church of Scientology. It's like chalk and cheese. The personal development technique of Ron Hubbard have been grossly misapplied by the Church of Scientology which operates as a controlling, money-sucking behemoth whose intentions are evil.

The Ron's Orgs are essentially a "lifeboat" organization after the Church of Scientology was taken over (the culmination of which was in 1981-82) which have salvaged the basic Hubbard techniques and make them available in an open, free environment which honors freedom of choice and personal responsibility. I've got enormous personal benefit from the work I've done on myself there, and the other senior people I know are among the finest human beings I've ever met. You can quote me on that all over the internet

But this really is starting to feel like a witch hunt, if I may say. Surely you can understand that! I've not yet seen any mention of anything I posted (of direct relevance to this thread) such as the possible Anonymous/LANL disinfo connection, or the 13th team member, or the points raised by Salla. I have no idea why all this attention is suddenly on me. What do you feel I've done wrong?

Best, Bill

Bill, no disrespect meant, but ever hear of shoot the messenger? In a way you are the middleman here so its expected that you get some heat.

Dont take it personally at all. Its just a few hundred people trying to find the truth, including me.

Take care~

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
This thread is so long, however, that I can't find the spot at which my list was changed.

Your list wasn't changed it was the addition of team member 225 that totaled 13...

308 was assumed to be the missing member...

Originally posted by Relentless

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
2) Yes, I think what Hubbard said is true. An isolated group may sometimes kind of start to behave strangely and doesn't realise it (my paraphrase). But beware, people in glass houses: that also applies to kids at a party, politicians almost anywhere, any convention of collectors or enthusiasts, a monastery, the members of this forum...

Best, Bill

Exactly what did you mean by that?

Oh dear... that was an attempt to simultaneously answer the question (because everything I said was true, I think) – and lighten things up. That clearly failed!

There was no implied link between any of the groups I mentioned. I just did a sweep as I was writing, searching for examples... which are everywhere you look, including right here. No criticism. It's just the way groups are. I work professionally with groups are a team development specialist and I do know this stuff. It's also what's behind the behavior of crowds, and what differentiates cultures.

Any group acquires its own identity, unique norms, codes of conduct, standards, morals, beliefs, and so on. People tend to congregate towards those in order to be accepted, and those who question or reject those tend to be rejected.

When did anyone here last talk to their grandmother about UFOs? It might not have worked too well. But here (for the most part!) it's common currency, as it were. The agreement on that worldview helps define the group and distinguish it from another group that's interested in travel, embroidery, mountaineering, or ancient history. That's all that's being referred to here.

Best, Bill

But this really is starting to feel like a witch hunt, if I may say. Surely you can understand that! I've not yet seen any mention of anything I posted (of direct relevance to this thread) such as the possible Anonymous/LANL disinfo connection, or the 13th team member, or the points raised by Salla. I have no idea why all this attention is suddenly on me. What do you feel I've done wrong?

Best, Bill

I apologize, Bill. It wasn't meant to feel that way. I don't feel you've done anything wrong at this point. But this whole thing is beginning to feel like a big 'game' and frankly, I don't like being manipulated.

I do apologize.

Livin Las Vidas Locas

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
(Should I disclose the details of my recall of my previous lives? I can do that too, if you like. While this thread would then immediately become even weirder, I have absolutely no objection.)

I think that would be awesome, and have done so myself on ATS (at great length), but such disclosures are better suited to a different thread in the Paranormal Studies forum.

My advice is to focus on presenting the information you are receiving as best you can, fielding and addressing questions about that material as best you can, and avoid being goaded into divulging too much on the personal front.

Some may feel that such examinations are part of any reasonable investigation into your claims, and I agree with them on that, but I don't think going off on tangents about Bill Ryan personally will benefit the examination of the material itself.

If you do think a “full disclosure” approach to your personal affairs is something you wish to do, however, I strongly recommend starting a separate thread for it or posting what you wish to disclose on your website and decoupling those questions from the questions about Project Serpo itself.

I imagine all this may be more than you bargained for, and I admire your tenacity in presenting what you have and defending your presentation of it.

My primary concern at this point is that you may well become buried in all the publicity and have difficulty continuing with your work.

Of course, should that happen, critics will predictably dismiss all this as a hoax.

Rather than let that happen, I encourage you to continue and help us all uncover where all this will ultimately lead.

My primary concern at this point is that you may well become buried in all the publicity and have difficulty continuing with your work.

I think about this alot, myself. a few minds working together are quite great...but, hundreds of minds tend to lean towards different ideals..anyone read the psychological effects of rioting? when everyone jumps to make brash decisions..its post-facto of group analysis..unpredictable and primal.
its a pure human trait...but, can lead to some nasty decisions..almost unavoidable...but, preventable.

[edit on 30-1-2006 by waffleprime]

oops double post.

[edit on 30-1-2006 by waffleprime]

Originally posted by Shawnna
It would be kind of fun to hear from John and/or Tom at this point! I'd love to post a few questions to them about the CoS, Ron's Org, Freezone, etc. etc.

My personal opinion of Tom Cruise and John Travolta (in case anyone's wondering who we're talking about here!):

Cruise is a crusading jerk who's recently somewhat lost his sense of proportion, while Travolta is far more to be admired... though he made a huge blunder in associating himself with the dreadful Battlefield Earth.

Best, Bill

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
though he made a huge blunder in associating himself with the dreadful Battlefield Earth.

Best, Bill

Hey now... I liked the book, the movie was OK ( didn't do the book any justice though )...

To me it was like the first Dune movie, lot's of gaps, but still OK...

But back on topic can you comunicate with Anon?

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
An isolated group may sometimes kind of start to behave strangely and doesn't realise it (my paraphrase). But beware, ...... the members of this forum...

Best, Bill

Okay Bill, I'll lighten up at the moment, but as my parting thought I would like to say this.

ATS is not an "isolated group" and we certainly are not a group that comes here to be reinforced in our beliefs, or feed off of the beliefs of our fellow members. In fact, the people who participate on this site in general are of vastly differing beliefs and outside of this thread (no even inside this thread) it's apparent. So your statement took me aback. It would be interesting to know exactly what you think about this board in general. but let's save that for another day.

Serpo still needs to be either debunked, delivered or debriefed, whatever the case may be.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan

Cruise is a crusading jerk who's recently somewhat lost his sense of proportion,

Hmmmm

Wow - away from the thread for a few hours and it gains 15 more pages.

Now, maybe I'm missing something; maybe I'm stupid; maybe I started looking at threads instead of reading them, but heres what I'm confused about:


Who cares if Chapman was a hoaxer?


Chapman did not join this thread until page 108; he was not sending Bill Ryan any false information, he was not providing any false information, and he was not claiming by way of inside knowledge that these documents are/were real.

As a matter of fact, his first post on this topic was an attempt to discredit the whole Project Serpo thing. The text of his post:

Interesting reading. However these are not real events that are being described although the document they come from is real. I saw this information in 69 or 70 in Whitehall. Originally it was a CIA document authored by a lady named Alice Bradley Sheldon. It's main purpose if you will parden the phrase was to "scare the crap out of the Soviets" in response to them scaring the crap out of us. In the 60s during the warmer part of the cold war the KGB successfully led the US government to believe that a number of nucleur devices had been concealed in disused mines and caves close to four large American cities. These bombs could be detonated by sleeper agents at any time Moscow wished. It was not completely disproved that this was fake until 1990.

The Serpo report was part of the CIAs reposte to this and an attempt to trump the Soviets. Its aim was to make them believe that we had acquired lethal extraterrestrial energy devices and that we had a cosy freindship with these all powerfull EBENs who would be very unhappy if Moscow attempted to harm the United States in any way. To a degree I believe this effort was effective to begin with. However it came unstuck when the CIA tried to overreach the information by adding photographs and also trying to spook allies such as ourselves who were better equipped to analyse the information and bugged to the hilt by the KGB.

Why this information is being released again now I do not know. Possibly in the past the DIA could have been fooled by the CIA into believing that Serpo was a real event and the annonymous source may genuinley want to release this information. Alternatively the DIA may have got it direct from the KGB most likely with a few choice modifications added by them.

I'm sorry to have to pour cold water upon your entertainment or maybe I have only added fuel to your fire

I, and several other members, said from the beginning that we shouldn't suddenly abandon ship because of some guy who registered only a few minutes (hours?) earlier starts acting like he knows what is going on. Funny how things come full circle.

But, I digress - I'm not going to do the "I told you so" thing. But once again, why do we care if Chapman was a hoaxer? Why do we care if serpian was Chapman's alias? They might have been posing as someone "in the know" but they haven't done anything to taint or discredit the info on the Project Serpo website.

From what I've seen, Chapman never claimed to be "Anon" nor did he claim to be the one who submitted those journal entries. He's merely a regular guy who saw this thread and thought he could get his 15 minutes. But, I repeat, nothing Chapman has done/said/claimed discredits the information released on the Project Serpo website or released by Bill Ryan.

If Chapman never came into this thread, we might be further along in our research of Project Serpo, but thats about it. If Chapman claimed to be "Anon" or claimed to have sent fake postings to Bill Ryan, that would be one thing - but he didn't.

So, tell me again why exactly we are so hung up on the Chapman saga? He's banned; he's gone; the end. Carry on with our research into Bill Ryan, Project Serpo, "Anon," Victor, and all of that.

We're worried about a flea bite while we're dying from Ebola. Lets get our priorities straight. Please?



[edit on 30-1-2006 by Cutwolf]

Originally posted by Shawnna
I apologize, Bill. It wasn't meant to feel that way. I don't feel you've done anything wrong at this point. But this whole thing is beginning to feel like a big 'game' and frankly, I don't like being manipulated.

I do apologize.

I understand, Shawnna – and it wasn't personal at my end either.

Here's what I think is happening here, which kind of looks like the scene at the shark tank when they're hungry and have a few bucketloads of mackerel thrown in the water:

Eveyone's intrigued, fascinated, and frustrated. They want more (and I do too). There's also a kind of sense of having been betrayed, simultaneously with an excitement that the posts are continuing... but some dismay at where they seem to be headed (unless there's another shift in course).

I wrote to you personally – as well as to some others – on Saturday that I felt baffled, distressed and hopeful all at once. That kind of sums it up, to different degrees, maybe for all of us. We're all in the same boat and it makes no sense for us to turn against one another. If we had a lovely photo of an Eben scoring a goal (or some scanned equations) we'd soon forget about everything that's been posted on the last several dozen pages. We're all Waiting for Godot and getting pretty cranky as a result.

Best, Bill

Bill.

I think many of us have lost our sense of humor over the feeling of being strung along. I also commend you on your answers so far as they seem forthright.

You however do bring up an interesting point from one of your prior e-mails about 80% of this being true and 20% being false according to the e-mail from inside LANL.

Anyone want to guess what is true vs. false?

Are the postings that were e-mailed directly to Bill all false (through no fault of his!!)

Or is the truth mixed in with all the postings.

Of course, the whole thing could be a hoax, but as many have stated a very interesting read and interesting ride

Originally posted by Jedi_Master

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
though he made a huge blunder in associating himself with the dreadful Battlefield Earth.

Best, Bill

Hey now... I liked the book, the movie was OK ( didn't do the book any justice though )...

To me it was like the first Dune movie, lot's of gaps, but still OK...

But back on topic can you comunicate with Anon?

Bill...let me restate the question...

Can you comunicate back and forth ?