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Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

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posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by MagicaRose
Isn't this odd?
Bill Ryan lives in the UK too.


The member registered with a UK-based email account. That would explain it.

Althought the UK might be small it isn't that small

Its a rough guess, but I would say there are around 60,000,000 people residing here, myself included, so I don't really see it as strange that someone from the UK has posted on this topic!




posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Whiterabbit29
Its a rough guess, but I would say there are around 60,000,000 people residing here, myself included, so I don't really see it as strange that someone from the UK has posted on this topic!


so you're Bill Ryan!


I think it is odd that chapman joined, neatly summed up everything in a tidy little package and then vanished. it's like the supposedly crazy grandmother who resolves all of life's foibles in a nice little soliloquy at the end of a movie.

all thes brand new members are making things crazy here

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Crakeur]



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by rdube02
Maybe I'm totally wrong here - but I challenge anyone to find an example of someone asking someone they know to call the police before committing a murder/suicide???


I think you'll find that it's more the norm, than the exception, that someone who is about to do such a thing will make sure that their remains will be found quickly.

I think you guys are hunting a little too hard to find the conspiracy in her death. Look for it in her life, first.

For example, she taught at American University in the mid-1960's. AU is rather well-known as a "drop-off" point for foreign intelligence operatives who are between assignments or as a cover that lets them travel freely throughout the world under the guise of academia. It also gives them reason to have discussions with many sources without raising questions.

I'd start there. Even if you're right and this woman's death involved foul play, you'll only make an inferential connection to what the reason may have been. If you follow her chronology and look for connections to Serpo, the "Aviary", or others who might be involved in the present story, then you might find that direct connection that would verify Chapman's post.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 12:25 PM
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Hi, All –

Back after a day away, and catching up again.

1) I've been checking with a colleague with extensive high-level CIA experience, a very shrewd and intelligent man who is totally conversant with the Serpo account. He's been following it closely since the beginning and he and I have been in regular contact since mid-November.

He explained to me that the Serpo story would never have been used to try to deceive the Russians. The pragmatists in the Politbureau would never have believed it for a moment. Any such ploys would have been at a much more "nuts-and-bolts" level, such as faked/altered documents describing power sources or energy weapons, or faked/real photos showing disks in hangars at US AFBs. Sight of those would have got the Russians much more worried.

But if some members of this Forum are unsure what to believe, here in 2006 and with all the data we have to evaluate, do we really think the Cold War Kremlin would have immediately gone into a panic after a spy had reported this to them? They'd have been laughing into their vodka – regardless of whether the story was true.

2) My colleague also stated that in all his time at the CIA he had never heard of such a ruse as Chapman describes.

3) Interestingly, he is of the opinion that:

a) The Serpo account is authentic (at least largely so)
b) The latest log is authentic (he has experience of the analysis of military logs written under extreme stress and states this is exactly what they are like) – whether or not it's an audio transcript
c) Anonymous has been replaced.

Best, Bill



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 12:29 PM
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c) Anonymous has been replaced.

Bill, Please clarify this some more. Are you saying that the origional poster going nby that handle is no longer the same one that has been making the last few posts on the serpo site?
Does your friend beleive that this new anon is a disinformation specialist?



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by Whiterabbit29
Its a rough guess, but I would say there are around 60,000,000 people residing here, myself included, so I don't really see it as strange that someone from the UK has posted on this topic!


so you're Bill Ryan!


I think it is odd that chapman joined, neatly summed up everything in a tidy little package and then vanished. it's like the supposedly crazy grandmother who resolves all of life's foibles in a nice little soliloquy at the end of a movie.

all thes brand new members are making things crazy here

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Crakeur]


Yes you got me the games up I guess


I think when your dealing with a story of this size, you are inevitably going to get people joining the discussion who have just followed lnks from various sites and felt they needed to post something helpful or not!

Although I have no idea who Chapman is, or wether what he says is the truth, If he had been here for any amount of time he would of discovered that the majority of people here will not just take his post as gospel and will expect some sort of proof or backing to what he said. I hope he returns and as a way of proving it but I get the feeling he won't or can't!



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 12:45 PM
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From Answers.com:

Sheldon continued writing under the Tiptree pen name for another decade. On May 19, 1987, at age 71, Sheldon took the life of her 84-year-old, nearly blind husband who had advanced Alzheimer's Disease, and then took her own. They were found dead, hand in hand in bed, in their Virginia home; the suicide note Sheldon left had been written years earlier, and saved until needed. In an interview with Charles Platt in the early 1980s Sheldon spoke of her emotional problems and previous suicide attempts. Much of her work contains dark and pessimistic elements, which in retrospect can be seen as reflective of her troubled emotions.

This kind of kills the murder idea IMHO.



[edit on 26-1-2006 by Defragger]

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Defragger]



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 12:59 PM
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Hi Bill!


Originally posted by Bill Ryan

c) Anonymous has been replaced.

Best, Bill


Is there any chance that the new ANON will be a bit more forthcoming with the release of the information?

Is the extremely slow release of Info anything to do with why he has been replaced? If not do you know why he has been replaced?



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bill Ryan


a colleague with extensive high-level CIA experience,

3) Interestingly, he is of the opinion that:

a) The Serpo account is authentic (at least largely so)
b) The latest log is authentic (he has experience of the analysis of military logs written under extreme stress and states this is exactly what they are like) – whether or not it's an audio transcript
c) Anonymous has been replaced.

Best, Bill


Mr. Ryan I am sorry but you are so full of C#$P that this has truely turned into a joke.

ABSOLUTELY NO CIA, CIA, NSA, DIA or AFFILIATE WILL EVER EVER EVER SAY that something that is TOP SECRET is AUTHENTIC TO SOMEONE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY CLEARANCE.

Period.

Regardless of what you might believe, they will say "no comment" or "thats not something I would have knowledge on" or "sounds nice but are you serious?" or "sounds like an interesting concept".

ALWAYS ALWAYS something vauge without agreeing or disagreeing.

regardless of what the subject matter is, it could be something as small as, whats your boss's name. Or where were you on Friday.

They would not even give up who deep throat was (and yes they knew) do you think they would admit to something involving aliens as being true and authentic.

Please. You are very confused about who you think we are Mr. Ryan



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Bill Ryan
a) The Serpo account is authentic (at least largely so)
b) The latest log is authentic (he has experience of the analysis of military logs written under extreme stress and states this is exactly what they are like) – whether or not it's an audio transcript
c) Anonymous has been replaced.

Best, Bill


Actually, you know what - he's got a point on item b. Out of curiousity I wanted to see if this was a true comment, that guys under stress will write like this. I found one journal entry from a soldier in Iraq - it was posted on an online blog site. Check it out and note that while this writer has much better grammer and spelling, overall there are quite a few similarities... All of the comments I made earlier about how the journal entries change tense - past/present - well, you see that in the journal entry below as well. However, I also must note that this soldier in Iraq uses more military lingo than we find in the Anon journal entries...


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Journal Entry:
10 May 02, 2100 hrs.

Baghdad International Airport.

I've been tasked to lead a convoy of 11 vehicles west to link up with our Battalion Commander at Al Asad Air Base, about a 4 hour ride west of here.

Not happy about the planning. I've got no medical evacuation plan, no friendly unit radio contact list for the route out there, no fire support plan, no air-ground frequencies. I don't even have a map.

I also have one injured soldier in a neck brace--a female truck driver from the 603rd Transportation company who injured her neck in an accident on the way up here.

Overall, the situation is excellent.

We must do better planning the next one. Of course, most of that usually falls on the battalion staff, and the battalion staff isn't here yet. The logistics officer, S-3 Air [assistant operations officer, responsible for air-ground coordination] and battalion executive officer are still in Jordan, tying up loose ends, and are not due to arrive in Iraq for a couple of weeks.

I voiced my concerns to Captain B., the HHC company commander, but there's nothing that can be done from here, anyway. I should be able to get more information from the 3rd Armored Cavalry on the way back to pick up the rest of the company here in a few days.

The convoy will roll.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
ABSOLUTELY NO CIA, CIA, NSA, DIA or AFFILIATE WILL EVER EVER EVER SAY that something that is TOP SECRET is AUTHENTIC TO SOMEONE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY CLEARANCE.


He said he spoke with someone with extensive CIA experience - not someone currently working FOR the CIA. There's a difference. But what you stated above is true - if you look at the interview Centrist did with an intel guy waaaay at the start of this thread (very well done by the way), you'll find that the guy would not divulge much info. And the entire interview had to be approved by public relations before it would be released. I'm certain Bill wasn't talking about someone who currently works inside the CIA.

-rdube02



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:18 PM
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and how do I know this, because I have a friend that I have known for over 30 years that is an aerospace (with SPACE a big keyword) systems engineer that only worked on high level classified stuff and he would never say anything about any of his projects. Better yet he was even a team leader with something like 12 people under him and they only were allowed to work on subsystems. Each team on the project worked only on their system and worked different hours then the other team(s). They were instructed not to communicate with anyone outside of their own team. AND THESE PEOPLE ARE BUILDING THE SAME "END PRODUCT" but were not allowed to discuss things with other engineers.

Only after projects were fully operational could he even say " I worked on that".

And that was as far as he could go into detail.

So please spare us with your " my friend who has top CIA clearance said yeah its authentic" BS.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
and how do I know this, because I have a friend that I have known for over 30 years that is an aerospace (with SPACE a big keyword) systems engineer that only worked on high level classified stuff and he would never say anything about any of his projects.


Are you saying that your friend wouldn't be allowed to SPECULATE on some alleged top secret project just because he previously held a security clearance? That's all Bill's friend is doing - he's speculating. He had NO involvement in Project Serpo - so he's just as free to speculate as the rest of us.

-rdube02



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
Mr. Ryan I am sorry but you are so full of C#$P that this has truely turned into a joke.


Will the Mods please ban this guy....insulting Bill Ryan is WAY over the line !

BILL RYAN DOES NOT DESERVE THAT IN ANY WAY !!



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
Mr. Ryan I am sorry but you are so full of C#$P that this has truely turned into a joke.

ABSOLUTELY NO CIA, CIA, NSA, DIA or AFFILIATE WILL EVER EVER EVER SAY that something that is TOP SECRET is AUTHENTIC TO SOMEONE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY CLEARANCE.

Period.


RF, Bill's just answering the questions with the information he has. I've come to know Bill quite well these last few months and he's trying to be as straightforward as possible. As well, although I am not privy to the conversations he's had with this source or who that source might be, I am familiar with a number of people that Bill is in contact with that would have the level of knowledge needed to make such statements.

Are they being honest with Bill? I don't know. You don't either. Bill's the one in contact with them and he's the one sticking his neck out by adopting their conclusions and posting them. If they're wrong, Bill takes the heat. More importantly, knowing that Bill's sources include people with the clearance and experience to have answers to these questions (and NO, we're not talking about Rick Doty -- that poor guy gets blamed for everything!) I accept what Bill says as being true to his source. If Bill says his source said it, I believe that his source did.

Bill didn't say those ARE the answers, he passed along some answers from a very credible source. You've "debunked" Bill's source with conclusory accusations based on personal conjecture.

Are you sure someone with the clearance and experience to know whether Chapman's story was true, or not, wouldn't tell Bill if it wasn't true? Would you bet your Eben love-slave blow-up doll on it? (just kidding, I know you bought the Marcia M. one!
)

Do you KNOW whether post #12 is false? Or are you basing it on a lay-person's reading? Have you already closed your mind to all the possibilities and you're attempting to end the Serpo story because your mind is made up? I hope not. I'm sure we can still use your help getting to the bottom of this.

Frankly, my friend, we aren't that far along yet. The game may have changed and we may have a different anon who's running a different playbook. Should anyone consider that this may be true? Sure, why not. Should anyone start realistically believing that it's true? No. No evidence to support that. Should anyone write this off as false or disinformation? No. No evidence to support that.

We're not done here, RF. I'd much rather see one of your posts where you take something Anon wrote and pick it apart with logic and reason, than waste your efforts worrying about the personalities involved.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by rdube02

He said he spoke with someone with extensive CIA experience - not someone currently working FOR the CIA. There's a difference.
-rdube02


Really, you can't have extensive CIA experience, without being cleared through the CIA.

Meaning even if you are a vendor that delivers food products to the "Bush Building" you have to have security clearance. Which means anything you see hear or smell while within the Bush Building you are to forget.

And you cant learn potentially top level security items without having security clearance.

Say I have a friend who is a CIA agent, I cant just do a ride along and go into the office with him and sit at his cubicle and thumb through some top shelf secret "Project book". And later on blab onto my other non-CIA friends, gee guess what I saw when I went to Dan's office.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by rdube02

Are you saying that your friend wouldn't be allowed to SPECULATE on some alleged top secret project just because he previously held a security clearance?



YES, he cant even speculate. You are not supposed to express your personal opinion at all.

Even expressing personal opinion could be considering leaking information to a non-cleared party.



[edit on 26-1-2006 by robertfenix]



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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fenix, that was kinda a low blow. It doesnt matter if your best friend is 007, this guy is doing this for us. Take it or leave it, but dont be rude.

And how old a guy are you? Still an ICP fan? They suck man, real bad...



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Damocles
..friend with extensive history in working with CIA high level clearance...

he said his associat WAS OF THE OPINION THAT...

the Serpo account was authentic...



This is subliminal substantiating authenticity by means of association with authority.

Maybe some people are not aware of the "tricks of the trade" when it comes to mindcontrol and public acceptance of "fact". But I happen to know a few things.

[edit on 26-1-2006 by robertfenix]



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Bill Ryan

1) I've been checking with a colleague with extensive high-level CIA experience,

2) My colleague also stated that in all his time at the CIA




This looks to me that he is saying his friend worked at the CIA. For those people that question my statement about having Security Clearance and a breach thereof by discussing things that could possibly by under security clearance to someone who is not "cleared" already to receive the information.

You can not be "at the CIA" without having security clearance to be "at the CIA".



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