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Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

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posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Shawnna

Can anyone find that post from yourworstnightmare? What page was that on?


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Excellent use of the printer-friendly, single-post display option, Shawnna!


In YWNM's post, he wrote something that strongly discredits his whole suggestions (to contact Carl Sagan's widow):


Another element discussed previously was that the now-deceased Carl Sagan and his alleged role in all of this clap trap. There is a way to prove or disprove this particular claim. Contact Carl Sagan's widow Ann Druyan, who is very easy to contact, and would not doubt hold forth on this claim that her husband had some "secret life" where he was examining Serpo-related data, etc., while at the same time publicly denouncing the whole alien contact stuff. I encouraged Bill, and I encourage any of your readership, to make this contact. I believe what you will learn is that this element of the Serpo story
is just wholly and completely BS. Period.


Anyone who's interested should FIRST read-up on Donald Meztger's wife, who gave Stanton Friedman permission to review his memoirs, notes, and letters in the Harvard University Library Archive to PROVE that Donald was not involved in UFO's, MJ-12, or any of that stuff.

Stanton Friedman, of course, found that Dr. Meztger had been working secretly for the government (NSA/CIA) for over 30 years.

YWNM's suggestion, therefore leads down a rather dubious path.




posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by idbltrl001
The only thing I found weird about the last entry is that the guy wrote in his journal, "I fall asleep."

That's not realistic. Unless he woke up and wrote that as the last line of his previous entry, it just doesn't make sense. The way he put "I fall asleep", makes it seem like a story being told, instead of a journal being written.


Perhaps he was later trying to recall exactly what transpired from an earlier period and then wrote it down? In other words, to me something like this would make sense:

Say at 17:00 hours he opens his journal and begins writing...

...
11:35 I fall asleep
12:17 I wake up
12:21 I get out of the pod
... etc

BTW I'm just playing Devil's advocate at the moment, replying to some thoughts some people are having that may provide another explanation. Please don't take my replies as any sort of indication of "outright belief" from a "new guy", mmmkay, Spiderj?



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 02:31 PM
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Wow, after reading that posting with the numbering system used for identification of team members, I just had a flashback of a Tom Clancy novel I read once...wish I could remember which it was...but he was discussing Clandestine messages passed between spies and their agencies, and they were formed in such a way that anyone reading the message, not aware of the codewords or numbers would not be able to discern the true meaning...

Is it possible that someone from inside the DIA or one of the intelligence agencies is trying to release real disclosure information in the form of this story - to someone inside the UFO Research circles who probably might understand the codewords and phrases...while no one else would?

Each release of information is a message to someone - and only that person knows what the numbers are and what the words mean. This would explain why he has asked Bill to keep every single sentence and mis-spelling intact. If you change any of the misspellings, as Victor might have mistakenly done - you mess up the message...

I'm just shooting from the hip here, but I think there may be an underlying message to each release of information - some real intelligence hidden inside the story. The story might be set up to convince any government officials checking out this site to decide that this is just another hoax - while in reality, someone from inside the intelligence community is leaking real information in the form of this sensational story that no one would believe anyway...

The only question is - who are the messages meant for and what are the messages really saying...

Think about it, on the surface this stuff is juvenile, poorly written, definitely non-military terminology... But maybe underlying all of this are codewords and numbers. Those numbers identifying each team member really look like a code system to me - meant to portray information to a certain person or group of people...

If this is true, if only there was some way to decode the true messages...

-rdube02


[edit on 25-1-2006 by rdube02]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 02:37 PM
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I'm just happy that Anon made contact! Hopefully the next update will not be a month away but only a matter of days. The Serpo saga continues much to my delight!!



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 02:40 PM
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If I where to make somthing up to scare the Soviets it would go
somthing like this


We recovered a Disc in 1947.One Alien found alive.

Gave use Technology that could Destroy the whole world

Then I make somthing up like that in theory could really destroy the whole
world(Some kind of device that looks out of this world)

There must be some kind of truth behind this UFO thing or why would our
Goverment use this whole UFO thing to scare them.

They would just laugh

Its like saying we have an Army of 9 ft tall Bigfoots

I mean what would the whole piont be


I think having Nuclear bombs is Scary enough (thats real for real)
Why make up stories about Aliens(not proven now and not back then)

Unless ofcourse Aliens are real and both sides know about it.

Then it would be who the Aliens like best or oh my god the US has got
Alien Technology first we better not mess with them.


[edit on 25-1-2006 by Fred_S]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by rdube02
Wow, [...]

If this is true, if only there was some way to decode the true messages...

-rdube02


[edit on 25-1-2006 by rdube02]


look for patterns. recurring themes.

incidently, i believe it was ex-naval intell and cia contractor, hal puthoff who posted the 'hoax from the 1950s' to victor in the first place.

i believe jack sarfatti (ex-naval / cia) has always said that serpo may be di.

neat way to implement a re-disclosure, imo.

clever.


[edit on 25-1-2006 by lucianarchy]

[edit on 25-1-2006 by lucianarchy]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 02:59 PM
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Just another one the throw out there. If we are to go on the latest information then Project Serpo is not it's original name. The name "Serpo" wasn't heard till they met EBE2 on their home planet.

"Ebe2 says we are welcome to the planet serpo. Ok, that is the name of their planet."

Edit:
"Bravo Zulu, Team Leader. Yes, we forgot to mention that the project was named after their planet. No, it wasn't alien innuendo. Godspeed Team Leader, Godspeed."

[edit on 1/25/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:01 PM
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In Col. Corso's book, 'Day After Roswell', he says the CIA was infiltrated by the KGB to a point that you didn't know who to trust. He claims that different branches of the military had Alien technology that they were trying to reverse engineer. If this is so then the KGB and the Russians were well aware that the USA had Alien technology during the cold war period. Therefore it would not have been deemed necessary to devise such a disinfo scheme as 'Project Serpo'. I just do not see it as being such!
It is either a wonderfully devised hoax or it is true disclosure.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by WHOFLUNGGUM]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:53 PM
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XXYYZZ
"Laughable" probably should say "highly unlikely" as in... it is highly unlikely that they would have destroyed the original journal, and went with an incomplete audio version.
I said laughable, meaning it makes me laugh, because it is so far-fetched.
Is that an attack? My bad then.

"Ridiculous" was in reference to the journal from anonymous, not Bill.
As in... the journal still sounds ridiculous as an audio journal.
If an attack on the anonymous journal = an attack on Bill, then that means Anonymous = Bill.
Is that what you are inferring?


oh, And... when I said it looks like he is defending the journal a little too much, I am trying to help him to remember to stay on the sidelines, or it would bring the "appearance" of him being in on it.

And the job of Devil's Advocate is taken, sorry

You make a good Semi-believer/Fence Sitter though.



[edit on 25-1-2006 by KDX175DUEX]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:55 PM
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I think I may have found a reason as to why Anon decided to bypass Victor and go directly to Bill!

Reading post number 11 from the Serpo.org website Anon says to Victor:

I've typed the EXACT words, phrases and abbreviations. Nothing has been changed. And likewise, I will ask you to not alter, change, correct any of the text here as you often do with mine to make it grammatically correct. This includes your use of caps to emphasize things I've written; I ask you to not do this with these journal entries, Victor.

If you read the post it is set out completely different to posting 12 so obviously Victor decided to Ignore this fact and edit the posts anyway. Bill has already admitted that Victor changes all of Anon's post to make them more grammatically correct!



Maybe this ties in with what was posted by someone earlier that there is some type of code worked into the story, that only certain people will understand this would explain quite a lot! This is further strengthened by the fact Anon asks that not even capitals are placed at the start of sentences maybe lower case letters mean something completely different.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by Whiterabbit29]

[edit on 25-1-2006 by Whiterabbit29]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:56 PM
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Bah! Clocks just do not work out in Space. And if anyone noticed, the last post before the current post - Jan. 24th 2006 was on Dec. 21st 2005.
What was that one post about?
Something like -- we don't know how long we been traveling -- around 30 days give or take 5 days!

I guess all the posters were going through that "Time Wave" during those last give or take 30 days of these postings.

But by the way -- mechanical clocks of any form -- whether you think you know the propulsion system or not probably do not work correctly.
Thus -- confusion!

And no, I do not know whether any of this is just a story or not! Seemingly that is why I never read that much about UFO's in the first place and the little I did read about it back in the '70's was much the same thing. This person saw this, and this person thinks it is this!

One thing has to be admitted about any of this:

If there are spacealiens running around at times to Earth or on this Planet, they are way smarter than humans because in the last 60 or so years, it is still the same!

I just refuse to be 'confused' either by any of it also!

If there are any spacealiens around that have been visiting this Planet -- they would have to be smiling about all of it while still wondering if they were the same way in the Past!

What is that one line from Star Trek? (from the Vulcans)

Humans are just not ready to go out into Space!



[edit on 25-1-2006 by AmoebaSized]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:55 PM
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grain of salt people.............

anon (?) can keep posting little tidbits for years....doesn't mean any of it is true. It is a great read though, and would be amazing if it were true.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Whiterabbit29
If you read the post it is set out completely different to posting 12 so obviously Victor decided to Ignore this fact and edit the posts anyway. Bill has already admitted that Victor changes all of Anon's post to make them more grammatically correct!

Maybe this ties in with what was posted by someone earlier that there is some type of code worked into the story, that only certain people will understand this would explain quite a lot! This is further strengthened by the fact Anon asks that not even capitals are placed at the start of sentences maybe lower case letters mean something completely different.


Yes - that was my post a few posts up on this page. And I'm thinking there is a lot more to this "exact text" line that Anon wrote. I've always enjoyed playing with algorithms...I'm thinking of programming a quick script that will read in Anon's last update - the exact text - and attempt to reorganize the letters based on different spacing algorithms... In other words, the simplest would be, first letter of every word, and see what that creates. Doubt that would do anything - much too simple. So try first letter of every first word, second letter of every second word, etc.... the possible combinations are almost unlimited, and in every case should create just garbage. However the numbering system used to identify team members might be a "key" to unlock the code... Not sure, most likely a meaningless dead-end - but it's something to do to pass the time anyway... And there is definitely something to the fact that Anon wants the EXACT text written - mis-spellings and all.

-rdube02



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 05:36 PM
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Hello Bill,
I know you stated you won't answer questions relating to 'anon' but how about Victor?

Are you still in contact with him and if so, can you say why he was by-passed with the new journal posting?

Also, as the dis-info theory gathers momentum, do you feel like you are being played by someone higher up the chain?

You also mentioned a few pages back that you were looking for help with regards to your full inbox, I should imagine now that you are completely snowed under with requests for answers. Were you aware that 'anon' was going to contact you directly, hence the request for help?

This thread just keeps going on....anon...anon!

Cheers.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 05:38 PM
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Hi Rdube02

Sorry I knew someone had mentioned it just couldn't remember who.

Heres a link to different types of free codebreaking software I've found. I doubt very much that I will find anything but worth a try. Thats not to say I don't think that you may be onto something who knows but it has been pretty much random nonsense so far. Like you say though passes the time


www.richkni.co.uk...



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 05:40 PM
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the devil is always in the detail.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 06:53 PM
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Rdube02,
I'm currently reading a book entitled "Codes". ( Book's at work, will get pertinet info, tomorrow). Very nice read. Explains codes starting in our past and up to (as known) date. I highly recommend it !


Lex



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by lucianarchy
the devil is always in the detail.

You know, I think you may have some interesting info to tell us, but if you are too negative you are not going to get your point across.

Can you explain this a little better in layman's terms?


Originally posted by lucianarchy
it is a logical strategical deployment in terms of national security/defence. as long as the military/intell are seen to be those who maintain / exploit 'contact' with advanced science / technology, in whatever field ( see cia's involvement in the saic/air sponsorship of 'weird #' in the 70's / raf bentwaters, charles halt and other public 'information' program), they will always have the 'x-bluff' advantage over any foreign power. in effect, it keeps the 'enemy' in a state of insecurity / confusion.

Are you saying the Bentwaters incident was another disinfo program? Maybe you could tell us your background and how you know this stuff.

Regards



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 07:15 PM
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(Edited to add 1st paragraph)

I kept asking myself, "What is the journal writer trying to do in the journal entry? Why write this way?" I hit upon the notion that the short, condensed "just-the-facts" style reminds me of a TACTICAL DESCRIPTION or rather shows the writer's strong training in TACTICAL ANALYSIS. Would anyone else mind giving this idea a try and re-reading Post #12 to see if this fits?

I found the journal entry of Post #12 to be poorly written which made it not "fun" to read or as entertaining as I'd like. But the point of the journal entry isn't to entertain the reader - it is to present "just the facts." The terse, condensed writing of the journal entry seems to have that intent. Put yourself in the writer's position - your state of mind, clarity of thought, and physical wellness are under strain from "space sickness." You're doing your best to follow your orders and training as best as you can remember. You do your best to concentrate and describe your state of being, surroundings, etc. but your intellectual abilities seem to be reduced. But you press on - You think, "I'll just keep things simple - one sentence at a time."

If there had been no "space sickness" affecting the team during the trip to SERPO, I would expect to see much better written journal entries with far more descriptive detail and clarity of thought. Putting on my skeptic hat, perhaps the "space sickness" is used as a tool to cover for the story's scarcity of details. Switching back to my "fence-sitter" hat, perhaps the journal writer just doesn't have the training and ability to write a compelling story for an audience 40 years in the future. I can forgive an earnest military man/scientist for not having a sense of how to write a compelling account of his surroundings and events even as they relate to riding an alien ship and going to their planet.

When I was in college at Carnegie Mellon, my friend Linda was required to write an essay in her Thermodynamics class (she was an engineering major). The problems she had in conceiving how to write her paper (outlining the subject, splitting topics into paragraphs, providing transitions, etc.) that are easy for me gave her fits. So writing ability is different for all of us. You can be very very intelligent and have a scientific mind and still not have the best ability at writing. I think that applies to Captains and Colonels in the military as well.

E.D.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by enhancedesign]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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OK.... tell you what.....in the spirit of fair play,
how about we ignore the quality of the journal, and assume the team leader is just really spacesick and / or mentally handicapped from spaceflight... whatever.
Lets ignore the military protocol, and assume that the confusion on
the 24 hour time was a result of being space "stoned."

Bill, isn't that a better explanation than a 3rd person source over the telephone relaying an account to Anonymous of something he read years ago and is now "recreating from memory"? (quite a stretch there)

Edit - To be honest ya'll, I think this might be my last post on Serpo, starting to get tired of placing "suspended belief", on top of "suspended belief" if you know what I mean.



[edit on 25-1-2006 by KDX175DUEX]



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