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Above Top Secret War Game Scenario

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posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 05:59 PM
I msut say that is a very nice map indeed

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 06:05 PM
Thanks. I do the best I can for this upcoming war.

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 07:26 PM
Here is a nice map for you guys...

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 07:36 PM

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 07:43 PM
heres 2 good europe maps

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 07:44 PM
Japan arguably has the second-best navy in the Pacific, centered around four helicopter-carrying destroyers, nine guided-missile destroyers, 34 destroyers, and 18 diesel-electric submarines. A large number of these ships (two of the guided-missile destroyers, 13 of the destroyers, and nine of the submarines) have entered service were since 1995, making this a very modern force. The rate of ship construction has held its own with China (which has added eight destroyers, 12 frigates, and 10 submarines in that timeframe), and this is with Japan arguably holding back.

Japan’s air force is similarly modern, and is built around the F-15J (a variant of the F-15C) and the F-2 (a stealthier version of the F-16 with four additional hardpoints). The total quantity of the F-15J force is about 200 aircraft (counting the combat-capable F-15DJ two-seater). Currently, 130 F-2s are authorized (49 are presently in service), but the figure could likely go higher as the 92 F-4EJ Kai Phantoms are retired as well. This is smaller than the 380 Su-27/Su-30MKKs in the Chinese air force, but Japan has a huge advantage, in airborne early warning aircraft, over China, having operated E-2s since the 1980s, and is now acquiring the E-767, four of which are currently in service. China might have four A-50 Mainstay aircraft in service as of 2005, but this is a huge if, and they are trailing Japan by 15 years in learning how to use them.

Japan’s economy is half that of China ($3.4 trillion to $6.7 trillion), but Japan gets its GDP from a population that is about 10 percent of China’s. Japan also holds a significant lead in technology (for instance, the Civic and Prius hybrids that are on the road today were designed in Japan), and its shipbuilding program continues (two diesel-electric submarines, two helicopter-carrying destroyers, two new Aegis guided-missiles destroyers, and four more Takanami-class destroyers are planned to join the fleet by 2010)

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 07:52 PM

you know that ounce this starts it will never end because all thses armys are matched in strength lol

Lads it time to prepare for a LONG war

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 08:04 PM

North Korea Special Forces and WMD –

North Korea is in a position to wage “asymmetric warfare,” said Moon, because of the steady growth in its special operations forces and in its capabilities to develop chemical and biological weapons.

“North Korea is believed to have more than 100,000 special operations forces [soldiers] and hold a stockpile of 2,500 to 5,000 tons of anthrax and chemical agents,” he said. That would make North Korea’s special operations force twice as large as that of the United States, which has about 46,000 members.

Missile Capability-

The Taep'o-dong-2 (TD-2) is said to be a two or three stage missile. North Korea has given various names to the Taep'o-dong missile, such as No-dong-3, Hwasong (Mars)-2 and Moksong (Jupiter)-2. Over time, the estimated range has grown substantially. It was initially estimated to have a range of 4,000 km, but is currently estimated to have a range of up to 15,000 km. The throw weight is variously estimated as great as 1,000 kg [for the lower end of the range spectrum] to a few hundred kilograms at the upper end of the range spectrum.

On 16 February 2005 Vice Admiral Lowell E. Jacoby, U.S. Navy, Director, Defense Intelligence Agency, testified that the " ... Taepo Dong 2 intercontinental ballistic missile may be ready for testing. This missile could deliver a nuclear warhead to parts of the United States in a two stage variant and target all of North America with a three stage variant. "

Military Strategy-

The Korean People's Army (KPA) is structured and deployed on the primacy of the offense. Doctrine stresses that decisive results can be obtained only through offensive operations. The offense has three objectives: the destruction of enemy forces, the seizure and control of territory, and the destruction of the enemy's will to fight.

In order for the KPA's military strategy to succeed on the battlefield, the KPA would have to achieve initial strategic surprise and execute its operations quickly. The most critical period would probably be choosing when and where to commit the mobile exploitation forces

Nuclear Weapon Developments –

In early February 2005 it was reported that US intelligence officials had concluded with near certainty that Libya had acquired processed uranium from the DPRK, and not Pakistan.

North Korea announced on 10 February 2005 that it had nuclear weapons and was suspending its participation in the six-party talks which involved the United States, North Korea, South Korea, China, Japan, and Russia. The country's foreign ministry said North Korea developed weapons to protect itself from the United States.

Large amounts of this information obtained from

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 08:36 PM
US Army and Marine Corps Ground and Air Assets

US Marine Corps. - 172,000 (Active Duty) 40,000 (Reserves)
US Marine Corps
US Army - 485,500 (Active Duty) 591,000 (Reserves)
US Army
US Navy - 365,900 (Active Duty) 83,000 (Reserves)
US Navy
US Air Force - 359,300 (Active Duty) 182,900 (Reserve)
US Air Force

US Military elements in South Korea include more than 85 active installations in the Republic of Korea and has about 37,500 US military personnel assigned in Korea. Major U.S. units in the ROK include the Eighth U.S. Army and Seventh Air Force.

Principal equipment in Korea includes 140 M1A1 tanks, 170 Bradley armored vehicles, 30 155mm self-propelled howitzers, 30 MRLs as well as a wide range of surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, e.g., Patriot, and 70 AH-64 helicopters.

US Marine Forces in the Pacific Include

I Marine Expeditionary Force
III Marine Expeditionary Force
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
1st Marine Air Wing
3rd Marine Air Wing

US Marines Pacific Force

US Army Forces in the Pacific

U.S. Eighth Army - South Korea
US Eighth Army1
US Eighth Army2

Army Pacific Command - Hawaii
US Army Pacific Command
US Army Pacific Command

US Army / Marine Corps. Systems

US Ground Systems
US Ground Systems
US Army Systems

M1A1 Abrams MBT– 4,796
M1A2 – 586
M1A2 SEP – 588
M2/3 Bradley – 1602
M6 Linebacker – 107
M113 – 28,000
M270 MLRS – 857
AAVP7A1 – 863
Stryker – 1,425
Paladin 155MM Self Propelled Artillery – 968
HMMWV – 55,000
AH-1 – 280
AV-8 – 83
AH-64 – 880
OH-58D –375
CH-47 – 485
AC-130 – 18
CH-53 – 401
H-60 – 904

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 08:59 PM

ShadowXIX and ignorant_ape, feel free to let me know what I should edit, remove/replace or whatever.

The People's Republic of China is the fourth largest country in the world, following Russia, Canada and the US. Its capital is Beijing, and its largest city being Shanghai. The PRC borders 14 nations and as of 2005 had a population of 1, 306, 300, 000 people. It is a Communist one party state, but as of the past decade or so the economic system has been leaning progressively closer to a state of Capitalism.

Also as of late China has been increasing defence spending and modernizing its forces. It has the worlds largest army, called the Chinese People's Liberation Army, which has 2.25 million troops. But this is just a number, as the People's Armed Police, Navy, Air Force and artillery (missile forces) all fall into the jurisdiction of the PLA. Beginning from the late 80's, the PLA started to transform itself from a massive, land-based army, to a smaller, more advanced and more mobile force, possibly because of the diminishing threat of a Russian invasion from the north. But although this was and is happening, the objective being to give China a force that could strike outside its own borders, the PLA has been described as still having "short arms and weak legs."

Although not the most modern army in the world, the PLA is slowly re-structuring itself from its prior Soviet doctrines into a more suitable force to cope with future land warfare. In recent years, the PLA has began buying and designing more advanced weapons systems using its increased defence spenditure, and has added new weapons platforms such as the Su-27 (ohhh yeah) and Su-33 jet aircraft, the diesel-electric Kilo class attack submarine, and some Sovremenny Class destroyers. It has also focused a fair bit of attention to applications for lasers on the battle-field.

But the main interest of the PLA during the past decade has been air defence. After seeing the importance and practicality of air defence during the Coalition offensives on Iraq, the PLA realized that it should focus itself on protecting its airspace. Soviet style air defence systems were set up, modified to not just cope with China's hilly and varying terrain, but to use it to the PLA's advantage. Purchases of production licences of such air defence systems like the S-300PMU-1/SA-10D "Grumble," a state-of-the-art self-contained highly-mobile long-range surface-to-air missile system, have given it unprecedented capabilities concerning air defence.

The common belief the the Chinese Army is ill-manned and un-equipped is plain wrong.

Summary of forces:

+ 2, 000 nuclear warheads (1990's est.)

Second Artillery Corps [missile forces]:

DF-5 (nuclear ICBM, range 13, 000 km or 8, 078 miles, 20 missiles)
DF-31 (nuclear ICBM, range 8, 000 km or 4, 971 miles, 0 missiles [as 2003])
JL-1/DF-21 (nuclear SLBM, range 1, 700 km or 1, 056 miles, 24 missiles)
JL-2/DF-23 (nuclear SLBM, range 8, 000 km or 4, 971 miles, 0 missiles [as 2000])
HY-?? (nuclear submarine launched land attack cruise missile, range 1, 000 km or 621 miles [est.])
SS-1A/B (conventional theatre missile, range ??? km or ??? miles)
DF-1 [mod. SS-2] (conventional theatre missile, range ??? km or ??? miles)
DF-2 [mod. SS-3] (nuclear theatre missile, range 1, 250 km or 777 miles)
DF-3A (nuclear theatre missile, range 3, 500 km or 2175 miles [est.], 50-80 missiles)
DF-4 (nuclear theatre missile, range 6, 000 km or 3, 728 miles [est.], 20-30 missiles)
DF-11 (nuclear/conventional theatre missile, range 300 km or 186 miles [est.], 40-500 missiles)
DF-15 (nuclear/conventional theatre missile, range 600 km or 373 miles, + 200 missiles)
DF-21 (nuclear/conventional theatre missile, range 1, 800 km or 1, 119 miles, 36-50 missiles)


Chengdu J-7 (air intercept, combat range 875 km or 550 miles)
Chengdu J-8 (interceptor, combat range 1, 300 km or 808 miles [est.])
Chengdu J-10 (multi-role fighter, combat range 550 km or 340 miles )
Sukhoi Su-27 (air superiority, ground attack, combat range 1, 500 km or 930 miles)
Sukhoi Su-30 (multi-role fighter, combat range 3, 000 km or 1, 864 miles)
Xian JH-7 (fighter, ground attack, combat range 900 km or 560 miles)
Nanchang Q-5 (fighter, ground attack, combat range 400 km or 248 miles)
Fighter China-1 (multi-role fighter, combat range 1,352 km or 840 miles)
H-5 [mod. Il-28] (jet bomber, combat range 2, 400 km or 1, 491 miles [hi config.])
H-6 [mod. Tu-16] (air-to-air refueling, bomber, combat range 7,200 km or 4,500 miles est.)
H-9 (not much info, said to be similar in performance and appearance to USAF F-117)
J-XX/-13/-14 (not much info, said to be similar in performance and appearance to USAF F-22)
Ilyushin Il-76 (transport, combat range 5, 000 km or 3, 107 miles est.)
Y-8 (not much info, said to be similar in purpose to USAF E-3A AWACS)

Navy: Divided into North Sea Fleet, East Sea Fleet and South Sea Fleet.

Type 051 Luda-class (destroyer, 16 ships)
Type 052 Luhu-class (destroyer, 2 ships)
Type 051B Luhai-class (destroyer, 1 ship)
Type 052B Guangzhou-class (destroyer, 2 ships)
Type 052C Lanzhou-class (destroyer, 2 ships)
Type 051C (destroyer, 1 ship[(1 under construction])
Sovremenny-class (956) (destroyer, 2 ships)
Sovremenny-class (956EM) (destroyer, 2 ships [under construction])
Type 053H/H1 Jianghu I/II classes (frigate, 21 ships)
Type 053HT-H Jianghu-IV class (frigate, 1 ship)
Type 053H2 Jianghu-III class (frigate, 3 ships)
Type 053H1G Jianghu-V class (frigate, 6 ships)
Type 053H2G Jiangwei class (frigate, 4 ships)
Type 053H3 Jiangwei II class (frigate, 10 ships)
Type 054 Ma'anshan class (frigate, 2 ships [2 under construction])
Type 091 Han class (submarine, nuclear fast attack, 5 ships)
Type 093 (submarine, nuclear fast attack, 2 ships)
Type 092 Xia class (submarine, nuclear boomer, 1 ship)
Type 094 (submarine, nuclear boomer, [1 under construction])
Type 033 Romeo-class (submarine, diesel-electric, 20 remain)
Type 035 Ming-class [mod. Romeo class] (submarine, diesel-electric, 17 ships)
Type 039 Song-class (submarine, diesel-electric, 7 ships [3 under construction])
Kilo-class (submarine, diesel-electric, 9 ships [3 on order])
Yuan-class [mod. Kilo class] (submarine, diesel-electric, 1 ship [1 under construction])

8,000 tanks,
4,000 armoured vehicles
25,000 artillery pieces.
2, 250, 000 men

Personnel Weapons:

QSZ-92 (pistol, 9mm and 5.8mm versions)
Type 84 (7.62mm pistol for security and police forces)
Type 77 (7.62mm for People's Armed Police and civil police)
Type 67 (7.62mm silenced pistol for scout and special operations)
Type 64 (7.62mm pistol [replacement for Type 54])
Type 85 - (sub-machine gun [replacement for Type 79], suppressed and 5.8mm versions)
Type 79 (submachine gun 7.62mm for airborne, scout and special operations)
Type 85 (submachine gun, [improvement over Type 79 higher rate of fire but shorter range])
Type 64 (submachine gun, low flash, suppressed 7.62mm for scout and special operations)
Type 95 (assault rifle, 5.8x42mm bullpup design)
Type 81 [mod. AK-47] (assault rifle, 7.62mm [replacement for Type 56])
Type 88/QBU-88 (snipers rifle, 5.8mm, range 800 metres or 865 yards)
Type 79 [mod. Dragunov SVD] (snipers rifle, 7.62mm, range 1, 300 metres or 1, 422 yards [different from Type 79 SMG])
Type 88 (general purpose machine gun, 5.8mm [replacement for Type 67] [different from Type 88 snipers rifle])
Type 80 [mod. PKM] (general purpose machine gun, 7.62mm)
Type 67 (general purpose machine gun, 7.62mm [replacement for Type 53 and Type 57 7.62mm GPMGs] [different from Type 67 pistol])
PF-97 (shoulder launched weapon, 80mm fuel air explosive launcher)
PF-89 (shoulder launched weapon, 80mm Lightweight Anti-tank Weapon)
FHJ-84 (shoulder launched weapon, twin 62mm [replacement for Type 69-1 [mod. RPG-7]]


Type 98 and Type 98G/99 (main battle tanks, + 100 vehicles)
Type 85-1, Type 85-II and Type 96 (main battle tanks, + 1, 500 vehicles)
Type 80, Type 80-II and Type 88/A/B (main battle tanks, 500 vehicles [est.])
Type 79 (main battle tank [replacement for Type 69] [unknown amount])
Type 69 (main battle tank [replacement for Type 59] [unknown amount])
Type 63 [mod. PT-76] (light/amphib. tank [unknown amount])
Type 63A (light/amphib. tank [replacement for Type 63] + 300 vehicles)
Type 62 (light/amphib. tank, + 500 vehicles [est.])
ZLC2000 (infantry fighting vehicle, airborne [unknown amount])
Type 90/92A/ZSL-92A/WZ 551 (infantry fighting vehicle [replacement for Type 92] 1, 200 vehicles [est.])
Type 90/92/ZSL-92/WZ 551 [mod. French VAB] (amphibious infantry fighting vehicle, 1, 200 vehicles [est.])
Type 86/WZ 501/501A/503/504 [mod. BMP-1] (infantry fighting vehicle [unknown amount])


WS-1 and WS-1B (multiple rocket launcher system, 8 and 4 tube 320mm)
A-100 (multiple rocket launcher system, 10 tube 300mm)
WM-80 and Type 83/WM-40 (multiple rocket launcher system, 273mm)
Type 85/YW 306 and Type 82 (multiple rocket launcher system, 30 tube 130mm [replacement for 19 tube 130mm MRLS of Type 70 and Type 63])
Type 90 and Type 89 (multiple rocket launcher system, 40 tube 122mm [replacement for Type 81[mod. BM-21]])
PLZ-45 (self-propelled howitzer, 155mm [replacement for Type 83 152mm self-propelled howitzer])
YW 323 D30 and the Type 89 (amphibious self-propelled howitzers, 122mm [replacement for Type 85 and Type 70])
Type 90 (wheeled self-propelled howitzer, 122mm)
Type 89 [mod. GC-45 howitzer] (towed howitzer, 155mm)
Type 66 [mod. D-20] and Type 83 (towed howitzers, 152mm [replacements for Type 54 [mod. ML-20]])
Type 59 and Type 59-1[mods. M46] (towed field gun, 130mm)
Type 85 [mod. D-30] (towed howitzer, 122mm [replacement for Type 54 howitzer])
YW 382 [mod. YW-531H] (amphibious mortar carriers, 120mm [replacement for YW-381 [mod. YW 531C]])
YW 383 [mod. YW-531H] (amphibious mortar carriers, 82mm [replacement for YW-304 [mod. YW 531C]])
Type 80 [mod. ZSU-57-2] (self-propelled anti-aircraft, twin 57mm, incorporates Type 69 tank chassis)
HQ-2J (anti-aircraft missile, Type 77 transporter, missiles upgraded versions of HQ-1 [mod. SA-2])
HQ-10 (anti-aircraft missiles/launching systems, Chinese produced S-300PMU-1/SA-10D)
HQ-15 (upgraded version of HQ-10 anti-aircraft missiles/launching systems)

I have made this as accurate as possible, but have left out a huge chunk of vehicles and aircraft, such as helicopters. Edit at later date.

[edit on 1/12/2005 by watch_the_rocks]

[edit on 1/12/2005 by watch_the_rocks]

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:18 PM
MY bad posted the same thing twice lol

[edit on 1-12-2005 by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE]

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:18 PM
The Russian military is divided into the following branches: Ground Forces, Navy, and Air Force. There are also three independent troops (actually Corps): Strategic Missile Troops, Military Space Troops, Airborne Troops. The Anti-air Defense Troops are subordinated to the Air Force

The Navy consists of four fleets:

Baltic Fleet (based at Baltiysk in the enclave of Kaliningrad - formerly Königsberg).
Pacific Fleet (based at Vladivostok).
Northern Fleet (based at Murmansk).
Black Sea Fleet (based at Sevastopol, now part of Ukraine. In 2005, the Ukrainian government confirmed that Russia's lease on the Sevastopol base will be honored at least until 2017.)

The available manpower for the various branches of the Armed Forces was estimated at 36 million in 2003. According to Russian reports, in FY 2002, there was about a 40% increase in arms procurement spending. However, even this increase is not enough to make up for the budget shortfalls of the previous decade. Russia's struggling arms producers will, therefore, intensify their efforts to seek sales to foreign governments

Women also serve in the Russian military, though in far lesser numbers than men. As of 2005, there were approximately 90,000 women serving in the various branches. Women usually serve in support roles, most commonly in the fields of nursing, communications, and engineering.

The primary responsibilities of the Russian Ground Forces, traditionally referred to as the Army, are the protection of the state border, combat on dry land, the security of occupied territories, and the crushing defeat of the enemy and his troops. They must be able to achieve these goals both in nuclear war and non-nuclear war, especially without the use of weapons of mass destruction. Furthermore, they must be capable of protecting the national interests of Russia within the framework of its international obligations

The Strategic Rocket Forces , RVSN - Raketnye Vojska Strategicheskogo Naznachneiya, were the main Soviet force used for attacking an enemy's offensive nuclear weapons, its military facilities, and its industrial infrastructure. They operated all Soviet ground-based intercontinental, intermediate-range, and medium-range nuclear missiles with ranges over 1,000 kilometers. The Strategic Rocket Forces also conducted all Soviet space vehicle and missile launches. A the end of the Cold War the Strategic Rocket Forces, the newest Soviet armed service, were the preeminent armed service, based on the continued importance of their mission. Their prestige had diminished somewhat, however, because of an increasing emphasis on conventional forces.

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:25 PM
Using Google Earth, I can create any map required at any zoom. The program is really wonderful. Any requests can be made.

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:53 PM


United States: Zaphod58, WestPoint23, deltaboy
United Kingdom: ludachris
Japan: Elab
South Korea: American Mad Man, Raideur

Communist Nations

China: Shadow XIX, ignorant_ape, watch_the_rocks
North Korea: Josh Gator54

Judges: LiquidationOfDiscrepancy, Howmuchisthedoggy, Empty

Still need more members in NK, China, Russia, UK, Japan, and SK

Also we may need some idea of Taiwan's military capabilities, if that scenario comes up.

China and North Korea commanders:
Please formulate what your first move will be. It doesn't have to be an inciting incident, it could be just troop movements. U2U the judges when you are ready.

All commanders:
Please familiarise yourselves with standard military symbols. On the large maps being posted, please position your assets by balloon boxes, out from where those particular assets are located.

Also please familiarise yourselves with the concept of T.E.W.T. (Tactical Exercise Without Troops). If you already have a military background, you should be able to explain to your fellow team members. Otherwise I will give an example later on.

Proposed Rules:

Engagements will be defender vs. attacker.

Time will be provisionally 24hrs real time = 1hr Game time.
This can be slowed down or sped up depending on the amount going on.

Moves are unlimited and only constrained to reality and time in 1 hour blocks.

Resupply will be very important.

Asymmetric Tactics, Special Force Ops and WMDs are allowed, but use must be discussed with the judges first.

A move will consist of sending troop movements to the judges. We will then update the situation boards and post likely outcomes.

All ideas and opinions are welcome. Let's have some fun with this!

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 10:01 PM

Any angle, zoom, or area can be done to any detail required.

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 10:10 PM
Tawaniese army:

CM11/CM12 (M48H)
Type 64 (M41)

Armored Fighting Vehicles

M110 howitzer
M109 howitzer

Hsiung Feng II
MIM-104 Patriot
Sky Bow I
Sky Bow II



Small Arms
T-86 assault rifle
T-91 assault rifle

The ROC Army GHQ is headed by a 3-star general and is responsible for overall command of all ROC Army assets. Army GHQ is subordinate to the General Staff (military), the Minister of Defense (civilian), and the ROC President.
Internal Units: Personnel, Combat Readiness & Training, Logistics, Planning, Communications, Electronics & Information, General Affairs, Comptroller, Inspector General, Political Warfare.
Aviation and Special Forces Command

6th Army :Northern Taiwan
8th Army
Southern Taiwan
10th Army :Central Taiwan
Hua-Tung Defense Command: Eastern Taiwan
Kinmen Defense Command
Penghu Defense Command
Matsu Defense Command
Tungyin Defense Command
Logistics Command
Education, Training and Doctorine Command
Military Academy, Training & Command Schools, Chemical Warfare Corps, Engineering Corps, Arsenal Development

Naval Fleet:

124th Fleet: Tsoying District, Kaohsiung City, Taiwan
131st Fleet: Keelung, Taipei County, Taiwan
146th Fleet: Makung, Penghu
Amphibious Fleet (151st Fleet), Tsoying District, Kaohsiung City, Taiwan
168th Fleet: Suao, Yilan County, Taiwan
192nd Fleet (Navy Mine Fleet): Tsoying District, Kaohsiung City, Taiwan
256th Submarine Squadron
Hai Chiao PGMG Guided Missile Gunboat Group
Aviation Command

S-2 Tracker
P-3 Orion, procurement process pending.
MH-53H Sea Dragon
Hsuhai class (旭海級, Anchorage class) — 1
Chung Ho class (中和級, Newport class) — 2
Chung Hai class (LST-1) — 10
Mei Lo class (LSM-1) — 4
Chi Teh class (紀德級, Kidd class) — 4 (delievery expected in 2006)
Chao Yang class (Gearing class) — 7

ROCN Fast attack missile boat groupCheng Kung class (成功級, Perry class) — 8
Chi Yang class (濟陽級, Knox class) — 8
Kang Ding class (康定級, Lafayette class) — 6
Yung Yang class (MSO 422 Aggressive) — 4
Patrol Craft
Ching Chiang class (錦江級, Kuang Hwa III) — 9
Kuang Hwa VI class missile boat — 1 prototype (more planned but project currently halted)
Hai Ou class missile boat (海鷗級) — 48
Hai Lung class (海龍級, Zwaardvis class) — 2
Hai Shih class (海獅級, Guppy class) — 2
Da Guan survey ship (達觀級)

401st Tactical Fighter Wing : Hualien AFB
427th Tactical Fighter Wing : Ching Chuan Kang AFB
439th Combined Wing : Pingtung AFB
443rd Tactical Fighter Wing : Tainan AFB
455th Tactical Fighter Wing : Chiayi AFB
499th Tactical Fighter Wing : Hsinchu AFB
Air Force Base Command
Sungshan Base Command
Taoyuan Base Command

Fighter Aircraft
Mirage 2000-5
Early Warning & Electronic Warfare
E-2T Hawkeye
Beechcraft B-1900C
Fokker F50
Air-launched Missiles
Sky Sword I (天劍一)
Sky Sword II (天劍二)

[edit on 1-12-2005 by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE]

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 10:33 PM
Air/Sealift capabilities for the USAF/USN

C-5B 126 deployed with Active Duty/Reserve forces
# Able to take off fully loaded within 8,300 feet (2,530 meters) and land within 4,900 feet (1,493 meters).
# High flotation landing gear with 28 wheels sharing the weight.
# Nose and aft doors that open the full width and height of the cargo compartment to permit faster and easier loading.
# A "kneeling" landing gear system that permits lowering of the parked aircraft so the cargo floor is at truck-bed height or to facilitate vehicle loading and unloading.
# Full width drive-on ramps at each end for loading double rows of vehicles.
# A system that records and analyzes information and detects malfunctions in more than 800 test points.

The Galaxy has 12 internal wing tanks with a total capacity of 51,150 gallons (194,370 liters) of fuel -- enough to fill 6 1/2 regular size railroad tank cars. A full fuel load weighs 332,500 pounds (150,820 kilograms). A C-5 with a cargo load of 270,000 pounds (122,472 kilograms) can fly 2,150 nautical miles, offload, and fly to a second base 500 nautical miles away from the original destination -- all without aerial refueling. With aerial refueling, the aircraft's range is limited only by crew endurance.

C-141C 20 deployed with Reserve forces.
Either 200 troops, 155 paratroops, 103 litters and 14 seats, or 68,725 lbs (31,239 kilograms) of cargo

C-17A 126 deployed with Active Duty/Air National Guard forces.
Maximum payload capacity of the C-17 is 170,900 pounds (77,519 kilograms), and its maximum gross takeoff weight is 585,000 pounds (265,352 kilograms). With a payload of 160,000 pounds (72,575 kilograms) and an initial cruise altitude of 28,000 feet (8,534 meters), , the C-17 has an unrefueled range of approximately 2,400 nautical miles. Its cruise speed is approximately 450 knots (.74 Mach). The C-17 is designed to airdrop 102 paratroopers and equipment.

The design of the aircraft allows it to operate through small, austere airfields. The C-17 can take off and land on runways as short as 3,000 feet (914 meters) and only 90 feet wide (27.4 meters). Even on such narrow runways, the C-17 can turn around using a three-point star turn and its backing capability.

KC-135R/T 530 deployed with Active Duty/ANG/Reserve forces.
Four turbofans, mounted under 35-degree swept wings, power the KC-135 to takeoffs at gross weights up to 322,500 pounds (146,285 kilograms). Nearly all internal fuel can be pumped through the tanker's flying boom, the KC-135 's primary fuel transfer method. A special shuttlecock-shaped drogue, attached to and trailing behind the flying boom, may be used to refuel aircraft fitted with probes. An operator stationed in the rear of the plane controls the boom. A cargo deck above the refueling system can hold a mixed load of passengers and cargo. Depending on fuel storage configuration, the KC-135 can carry up to 83,000 pounds (37,648 kilograms) of cargo.

In Southeast Asia, KC-135 Stratotankers made the air war different from all previous aerial conflicts. Midair refueling brought far-flung bombing targets within reach. Combat aircraft, no longer limited by fuel supplies, were able to spend more time in target areas.

KC-10A/B 59 deployed with Active Duty forces.
The KC-10 can transport up to 75 people and nearly 170,000 pounds (76,560 kilograms) of cargo a distance of about 4,400 miles (7,040 kilometers) unrefueled.

In addition to the three main DC-10 wing fuel tanks, the KC-10 has three large fuel tanks under the cargo floor, one under the forward lower cargo compartment, one in the center wing area and one under the rear compartment. Combined, the capacity of the six tanks carry more than 356,000 pounds (160,200 kilograms) of fuel - almost twice as much as the KC-135 Stratotanker.

Using either an advanced aerial refueling boom, or a hose and drogue centerline refueling system, the KC-10 can refuel a wide variety of U.S. and allied military aircraft within the same mission. The aircraft is equipped with lighting for night operations.

The USAF also has the option of the US Civil Reserve Fleet, in which US airlines/cargo carriers are required to allow the USAF to use their aircraft to transport troops and cargo to a combat theater, to back up the USAF airlift.

USN Sealift

# The Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force, or NFAF, provides direct support for Navy combatant ships, allowing them to remain at sea for extended periods. NFAF ships replenish supplies, including food, fuel and ammunition for forces afloat. Other NFAF ships conduct underwater surveillance and provide towing services to Navy ships at sea. These ships are crewed by civilian mariners and also carry Navy departments ranging in size from four to 67 people. Civilian crews operate the ships, and military personnel provide communications support, coordinate supply operations and conduct helicopter operations.
# The Special Mission Support Force -- the smallest component of MSC's three forces -- carries out a variety of highly specialized missions. MSC Special Mission ships provide specialized services for the Navy and the federal government including surveying the world's oceans and performing counter-drug operations. MSC Special Mission ships work with scientific and military commands to combat drug smuggling, monitor international compliance with strategic arms treaties and lay submarine cable. All of these ships are Navy-owned and are operated by civil service mariners or contractor employed mariners. Military and civilian scientists and technicians carry out the specializes missions of various types of ships.
# The Strategic Sealift Force is MSC's third and largest force of ships. The mission of this force is to deploy and sustain U.S. military forces, wherever needed, through delivery of equipment, petroleum products and other supplies. In peacetime, more than 95 percent of DoD's dry cargo is transported on regularly scheduled, commercial U.S.-flag liners. MSC operates a privately owned fleet of more than 35 dry cargo ships and tankers under long-term contract to support this peacetime sealift mission. The Strategic Sealift Force has various types of ships to support an operational contingency: Afloat Prepositioning Force, which consists of Maritime Prepositioning Ships and other prepositioning ships; two hospital ships; two aviation logistics support ships; Fast Sealift Ships and the Ready Reserve Force.

USNS Able Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 20 Special Missions
GTS Adm Wm. M. Callaghan Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 1001 Ready Reserve Force
MV Alatna Common User Tanker (ice-strengthened) AOG 81 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Algol Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 287 Sealift
USNS Altair Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 291 Sealift
MV American Cormorant Float-on/Float-off T-AKR 2062 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Antares Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 294 Sealift
USNS Apache Fleet Ocean Tug T-ATF 172 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Assertive Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 9 Special Missions

AA Beaver State Crane Ship ACS 10 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Bellatrix Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 288 Sealift
USNS Benavidez Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 306 Ship Introduction
USNS Big Horn Oiler T-AO 198 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Bob Hope Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 300 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Bold Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 12 Special Missions
USNS Bowditch Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 62 Special Missions
USNS Brittin Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 305 Ship Introduction
USNS Bruce Heezen Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 64 Special Missions
MV Buffalo Soldier Freighter T-AK 9301 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Butte Ammunition ship T-AE 27 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force

SSV C-Commando Submarine Support Special Missions
USNS Capable Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 16 Special Missions
SS Cape Alexander Freighter AK 5010 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Ann Freighter AK 5009 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Archway Freighter AK 5011 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Avinof Freighter AK 5013 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Blanco Freighter AK 5060 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Borda Freighter AK 5058 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Bover Freighter AK 5057 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Breton Freighter AK 5056 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Decision Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5054 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Diamond Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5055 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Domingo Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5053 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Douglas Roll-on/Roll-off Ship T-AKR 5052 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Ducato Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5051 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Edmont Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5069 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Farewell Lighter Aboard Ship AK 5073 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Fear Lighter Aboard Ship AK 5061 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Flattery Lighter Aboard Ship AK 5070 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Florida Lighter Aboard Ship AK 5071 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Gibson Freighter AK 5051 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Girardeau Freighter AK 2039 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Henry Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5067 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Horn Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5068 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Hudson Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5066 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Island Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 10 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Inscription Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5076 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Intrepid Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 11 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Isabel Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5062 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Jacob Modular Cargo Delivery System AK 5029 Prepositioning Ship
SS Cape John Freighter AK 5022 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Johnson Freighter AK 5075 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Juby Freighter AK 5077 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Kennedy Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5083 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Knox Roll-on/Roll-off AKR 5082 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Lambert Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5077 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Lobos Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 5078 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape May SeaBee Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AK 5063 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Mendocino SeaBee Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AK 5064 Ready Reserve Force
SS Cape Mohican SeaBee Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AK 5065 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Nome Freighter AK 1014 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Orlando Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 2004 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Race Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9660 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Ray Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9679 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Rise Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9678 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Taylor Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 113 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Texas Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 112 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Trinity Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9711 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Victory Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9701 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Vincent Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9666 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Washington Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9961 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cape Wrath Roll-on/Roll-off Ship AKR 9962 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Capella Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 293 Sealift
MV Captain Steven L. Bennett Container T-AK 4296 Prepositioning Ship
MV Carolyn Chouest Submarine Support Special Missions
USNS Catawba Fleet Ocean Tug T-ATF 168 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Charlton Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 314 Prepositioning Ship
SS Chattahoochee Common User Tanker AOG 82 Ready Reserve Force
SS Chesapeake Common User Tanker AOT 5084 Ready Reserve Force
SS Comet Roll-on/Roll-off Ship T-AKR 7 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Comfort Hospital T-AH 20 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Concord Combat Stores Ship T-AFS 5 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
SS Cornhusker State Crane Ship T-ACS 6 Ready Reserve Force
MV Cory Chouest Ocean Surveillance Ship Special Missions
MV Cpl Louis J Hague Jr MPS T-AK 3000 Prepositioning Ship
SS Curtiss Aviation logistics support T-AVB 4 Prepositioning Ship

USNS Dahl Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 312 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Denebola Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 289 Sealift
SS Diamond State Crane Ship T-ACS 7 Ready Reserve Force
MV Dolores Chouest Submarine Support Vessel Special Missions

USNS Effective Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 21 Special Missions
SS Empire State Troop Ship [school ship at SUNY] T-AP 1001 Ready Reserve Force
SS Equality State Crane Ship T-ACS 8 Ready Reserve Force

MV 1st Lt Alex Bonnyman MPS T-AK 3003 Prepositioning Ship
MV 1st Lt Baldomero Lopez MPS T-AK 3010 Prepositioning Ship
USNS 1st Lt Harry L. Martin MPS T-AK 3015 Prepositioning Ship
MV 1st Lt Jack Lummus MPS T-AK 3011 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Fisher Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 301 Sealift
SS Flickertail State Crane Ship T-ACS 5 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Flint Ammunition Ship T-AE 32 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force

SS Gem State Crane Ship T-ACS 2 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Gilliland Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 298 Prepositioning Ship
SS Golden Bear Troopship [schoolship at California MaritimeAcademy] Ready Reserve Force
SS Gopher State Crane Ship T-ACS 4 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Gordon Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 296 Sealift
SS Grand Canyon State Crane Ship T-ACS 3 Ready Reserve Force
SS Green Harbour Lighter Aboard Ship T-AK 2064 Prepositioning Ship
SS Green Mountain State Crane Ship T-ACS 9 Ready Reserve Force
MV Green Wave Freighter T-AK 2050 Sealift
USNS Guadalupe Oiler T-AO 200 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
MV Gus W Darnell Common User Tanker T-AOT 1121 Sealift
USNS GySgt Fred W. Stockham MPS T-AK 3017 Ship Introduction

USNS Hayes Acoustic Research Ship T-AG 195 Special Missions
USNS Henry J Kaiser Afloat Prepositioning Tanker T-AO 187 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Henson Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 63 Special Missions

USNS Impeccable Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 7 Special Missions
USNS Indomitable Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 7 Special Missions
USNS Invincible Ocean Surveillance T-AGM 24 Special Missions

MV Jeb Stuart Lighter Aboard Ship T-AK 9204 Prepositioning Ship
USNS John Ericsson Oiler T-AO 194 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS John Lenthall Oiler T-AO 189 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS John McDonnell Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 51 Special Missions

USNS Kanawha Oiler T-AO 196 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Kane Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 27 Special Missions
MV Kellie Chouest Submarine Support Vessel Special Missions
SS Keystone State Crane Ship T-ACS 1 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Kilauea Ammunition Ship T-AE 26 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Kiska Ammunition Ship T-AE 35 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force

USNS Laramie Oiler T-AO 203 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
MV Lawrence H. Gianella Common User Tanker T-AOT 1125 Sealift
USNS LCpl Roy M. Wheat Freighter T-AK 3016 Ship Introduction
USNS Leroy Grumman Oiler T-AO 195 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Littlehales Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 52 Special Missions
USNS Loyal Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 22 Special Missions
MV Ltc. Calvin P. Titus RO-RO/container T-AK 5089 Prepositioning Ship

MV Maersk Constellation Combination Ship T-AK 9656 Sealift
MV Maj Bernard F Fisher Freighter T-AK 4396 Prepositioning Ship
SS Maj Stephen W Pless MPS T-AK 3007 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Mary Sears Special Missions Ship T-AGS 65 Ship Introduction
USNS Mendonca Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 303 Ship Introduction
USNS Mercy Hospital T-AH 19 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Meteor Roll-on/Roll-off Ship T-AKR 9 Ready Reserve Force
SS Mission Buenaventura Common User Tanker T-AOT 1012 Ready Reserve Force
SS Mission Capistrano Common User Tanker T-AOT 5005 Ready Reserve Force
USNS Mohawk Fleet Ocean Tug T-ATF 170 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
USNS Mount Baker Ammunition Ship T-AE 34 Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force
SS Mount Washington Common User Tanker T-AOT 5076 Ready Reserve Force

USNS Navajo Fleet Ocean Tug T-ATF 169 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Niagara Falls Combat Stores Ship T-AFS 3 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
SS Nodaway Common User Tanker T-AOG 78 Ready Reserve Force

USNS Observation Island Missile Range Instrumentation T-AGM 23 Special Missions

USNS Pathfinder Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 60 Special Missions
USNS Patuxent Oiler T-AO 201 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
MV Paul Buck Common User Tanker T-AOT 1122 Sealift
USNS Pecos Oiler T-AO 197 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Persistent Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 6 Special Missions
SS Petersburg Afloat Prepositioning Tanker off-shore petroleum discharge system (OPDS) T-AOT 9101 Prepositioning Ship
MV Pfc Dewayne T. Williams MPS T-AK 3009 Prepositioning Ship
SS Pfc Eugene A. Obregon MPS T-AK 3006 Prepositioning Ship
MV Pfc James Anderson Jr MPS T-AK 3002 Prepositioning Ship
MV Pfc William B Baugh MPS T-AK 3001 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Pililaau Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 304 Ship Introduction
USNS Pollux Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 290 Sealift
USNS Pomeroy Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 316 Ship Introduction
SS Potomac Afloat Prepositioning Tanker Off-shore petroleum discharge system (OPDS) T-AOT 181 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Prevail Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 8 Special Missions
MV Pvt Franklin J Phillips MPS T-AK 3004 Prepositioning Ship

USNS Rappahannock Oiler T-AO 204 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Red Cloud Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 313 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Regulus Fast Sealift Ship T-AKR 292 Sealift
MV Richard G. Matthiesen Common User Tanker T-AOT 1124 Sealift

MV Sagamore Container Ship Sealift
MV Samuel L Cobb Common User Tanker T-AOT 1123 Sealift
USNS San Jose Combat Stores Ship T-AFS 7 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Santa Barbara Ammunition Ship T-AE 28 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Saturn Combat Stores Ship T-AFS 10 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
MV Sea Mark III Down Range Support Sealift
MV Seacor Clipper Down Range Support Sealift
USNS Seay Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 302 Sealift
MV 2nd Lt John P Bobo MPS T-AK 3008 Prepositioning Ship
SS Sgt Matej Kocak MPS T-AK 3005 Prepositioning Ship
MV Sgt William R Button MPS T-AK 3012 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Shasta Ammunition Ship T-AE 33 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Shughart Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 295 Sealift
USNS Sioux Fleet Ocean Tug T-ATF 171 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Sirius Combat Stores Ship T-AFS 8 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Sisler Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 311 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Soderman Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 317 Ship Introduction
MV Sp5 Eric G Gibson RO-RO/container T-AK 5091 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Spica Combat Stores Ship T-AFS 9 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Stalwart Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 1 Special Missions
MV Strong Texan Freighter Sealift
MV Strong Virginian Lift-on/Lift-off T-AKR 9205 Prepositioning Ship
USNS Sumner Oceanographic Survey T-AGS 61 Special Missions

USNS Tippecanoe Oiler T-AO 199 Naval Fleet Auxiliary

MT Valiant Common User Tanker T-AOT 94A Sealift
USNS Victorious Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 19 Special Missions
USNS Vindicator Ocean Surveillance T-AGOS 3 Special Missions

USNS Walter S Diehl Oiler T-AO 193 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Waters Special Missions T-AGS 45 Special Missions
USNS Watkins Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 315 Ship Introduction
USNS Watson Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 310 Prepositioning Ship
SS Wright Aviation logistics support T-AVB 3 Prepositioning Ship

USNS Yano Large, Medium-Speed, Roll-on/Roll-off T-AKR 297 Sealift
USNS Yukon Oiler T-AO 202 Naval Fleet Auxiliary
USNS Zeus Cable Repair T-ARC 7 Special Missions

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 11:24 PM
Okay. We have all this information, with more on the way, now; what are we going to do with it? We need a plan on how this is all going to work.
I suggest we should base this on a turn-based strategy game, so then everyone gets a fair turn and it won't get muddled. With that suggested points system, no. I think the judges should decide who wins a particular battle, with the combatanants having an almost debate like arguement, expllaining the weapons they will use, the tactics, the commanders, all relating to an exact geographical location on a map.
And will the maps be hosted on this thread, or another site? Questions we need to ask ourselves.

And no nukes. They exist as a deterrent only. The US would just win this in a flash: "okay Sam, here are the launch codes. Now get those commie fleabags."

posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 11:32 PM
I think that as far as the strategy and weapons go, each side should tell that only to the judges for a particular battle and not let each other know it. It would just be too easy, if you tell where you’re going and what you’re bringing then it’s easier to counter. In a war you don't know those things ahead of time.

posted on Dec, 2 2005 @ 12:30 AM
Yes yes, that is true.

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