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Do Jews go to heaven?

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posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


If the person ultimately came to accept Christ as their lord and savior and attempted to live their life as Jesus taught then I would agree they have found their salvation.



what if i didn't accept Jesus as my lord and savior? and instead of following the teachings of Jesus followed the nearly identical teachings the Buddha presented hundreds of years earlier? would i be damned?


Yes, because you are not believing in and trusting Him alone for Salvation.

John 14:6
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."




posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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well that's one of the 5020 flaws in the bible
now what if i said that christians don't go to heaven because the holy document of the flying spaghetti monster said they don't? you'd immediatly say i was being absurd, and mocking your beliefs, and that's what happens when people see the bible quoted

[edit on 6-12-2005 by madnessinmysoul]



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by just me 2
Yes, because you are not believing in and trusting Him alone for Salvation.

John 14:6
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


'Except through me' - but I ask you, where is the word faith mentioned in this verse?

I don't see how this verse is proof that Jesus requires faith.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 06:51 AM
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As has been pointed out, the Talmud teaches that all Gentiles are animals etc.. With this in mind it is fairly obvious to see that in heaven Jewish members will cordon off a little section for themselves and not mingle with the other souls that are present there.

(EDIT: Spelling)

[edit on 7-12-2005 by KhieuSamphan]



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 09:23 AM
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I think the true title of this thread should be Do Jews go to heaven according to the Christian doctrine? And if you take that doctrine literally then now because you must accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. The Jews are still waiting on their messiah so to a "Christian" they are non believers.

P.S If you believe your dogma don’t bend it by saying Jews can get into heaven. Especially when in another post you really contraindicated your self by saying works were not enough



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 11:32 AM
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the problem with only gaining access to heaven through christ is that isolated populations, the stillborn, the mentally disabled, and anyone else that lacks the capability to accept jesus would be victims of circumstance...

how do you explain a loving god damning these people?



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 02:39 AM
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God makes Himself and the way of Salvation known to all people.


Titus 2:11-15
"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. "


Jesus loves kids, so I would say that if a child or mentally challenged person has no capacity yet to understand God or the capacity to choose right from wrong, then the child still "gets in."

Matthew 19:14
"Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 07:48 AM
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Look at the reference you just posted, look at the section of the reference you just bolded - now surely you can see that it does say; all men?

Does God mean what he says OR is this meant to be interpreted symbolically?



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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Do Jews go to heaven?

"No child left behind"



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Look at the reference you just posted, look at the section of the reference you just bolded - now surely you can see that it does say; all men?

Does God mean what he says OR is this meant to be interpreted symbolically?


The definition of "appear:" to come into view, or become visible.

So when God says "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men." God's grace and way of Salvation has 'come into view' or 'become visible' to all, yes, literally-ALL people. But many refuse to admit it. They don't want to become accountable before God, or submit to Him.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 04:57 PM
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Do Jews go to Heaven?

well if Heaven exhists.... anyone who fill in the requirements can come in i guess... Heaven is suppose to have a race/color blind bouncer.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 07:12 PM
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do jews go to heaven?

if we're talking heaven in the jewish sense, yes.

if we're talking about heaven in islam, yes.

if we're talking about heaven in christianity, it gets far more complicated.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
if we're talking about heaven in islam, yes.


that one i would pay to see....



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by DaTruth
I think the true title of this thread should be Do Jews go to heaven according to the Christian doctrine?


Well, I don't even think you can narrow the topic down to that, since there seem to be MAJOR differences in Christian doctrines, your following statement being one of them.

This really is a useless debate at this point. For all we know, when it's all said and done, maybe the final thing that determines whether or not we get into heaven is whether or not we would, by our own doctrines have let in anyone else.

The following phrase comes to mind....."forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us". We are actually praying to God to give us the same treatment we have given others. Everyone chew on that one.

[edit on 12/8/2005 by Relentless]



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 08:49 PM
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This question cannont be answered accurately by any human being. Regardless of what anyone here says, they don't know anymore about heaven than you do. None of us has been to the "other side," so we must rely on various accounts by those whom some believe to have been in such a positon to know. Jesus would have been one of those, but he's not the only one whose word some humans take as bona fide.

You might try looking here:

www.askmoses.com...

religion-cults.com...

headcoverings-by-devorah.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...


[edit on 2005/12/8 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by BaastetNoir

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
if we're talking about heaven in islam, yes.


that one i would pay to see....


they say as long as you believe in the same god, as long as you worship it in a reasonable manner, and you're a good person, you go to heaven. therefore, jews go to the islamic heaven.



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
do jews go to heaven?

if we're talking heaven in the jewish sense, yes.

if we're talking about heaven in islam, yes.

if we're talking about heaven in christianity, it gets far more complicated.

Truth loves truth = Confucus was introduced to truth
Truth loves love = Budda (love loves truth) was introduced
Truth loves fear = Moses (I AM loves truth) was introduced (Not allowed into the promised land)
Truth loves fear = Jesus (fear loves Truth) was the opening of the way, but for the second time Truth was denied, and there was a cost.

Convince me that those with the same message were not recieving the message from the same source.

Jesus was a Jew. Jesus got to Heaven. Jews can get into heaven. We are all jewish paganistic buddists with christian ideologies searching through the pantheon. Go figure.



[edit on 9-12-2005 by Esoteric Teacher]



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by BaastetNoir

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
if we're talking about heaven in islam, yes.


that one i would pay to see....


they say as long as you believe in the same god, as long as you worship it in a reasonable manner, and you're a good person, you go to heaven. therefore, jews go to the islamic heaven.


well than happens with everyother religion...not just Christians or Moslem.

I dont see the point of this thread... it seems is just anothr way to cause discord and try to trow somw more stones to christians.

EVERY religion has their Heaven and their SET OF RULES to get there.

So its actually very simple, according to each religion if you FOLLOW THEIR RULE they WILL BE ENTIRING HEAVEN. Period...very simple...That applies to Jews and everyone else.

If this isnt clear enough, I dont know what will.



posted on Dec, 9 2005 @ 04:01 PM
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If Jews can't get into heaven, then don't expect to see Christ there either.



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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The entire exclusive nature of this thread is too hateful, ethnocentric, and disrespectful to fully describe. The essential nature of all religions are essentially the same. Religious dogma has always/will always be about social control. Reward/punishment. It is the small-minded who cannot think for themselves, who cannot discern the difference between good and evil for themselves, without the affirmation or outright dictation of others(religious texts), who create strife between races, religions, peoples. Being "good," is good in and of itself. Nothing further is required. To ascribe to any further requirement; acceptance of Christian dogma, is patently offensive, racist, and mean spirited.



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