Battlefield Radiation - DU Vet: 'My Days Are Numbered'

Gerard Matthew has broad shoulders and beefy hands. He's built like a bear. Yet as sturdy as this 31-year-old may look, he is a very sick man.


Depleted Uranium is GREAT from the Army Side of View:
- its Cheap
- it makes GREAT ammunition

But the Big Boy Generals that order the production and the usage of such Ammunition, are not the ones who will be in direct contact with it.

Here you have another Case of Veterans with DU Syndrome.

Are you going to tell him that DU is Harmless?

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Thanx for posting this...

I am a Gulf War Vet with Gulf War Illness (the name was changed recently to Illness from syndrome)....

There is more to it than just DU poisoning, infact DU is a small part of it.

The main cause of GWI is vaccines, Anthrax being the major one...

Vets with DU poisoning are lumped in with the rest of the GW illness vets,
along with other chemical poisonings, and the oil fires. And rumours of chemical weopons use. Multiple causes and multiple symptoms.

A lot of the symptoms are the same and they are so varied it's hard to pin it down to just one cause.

What research has found is the GW vets have an auto-imune problem. Our imune system is attacking our bodies creating diseases that shouldn't be there. For example I have osteoporosis, I am 41, my Vit D and calcium levels are normal, which shouldn't be the case with osteo. Doctors are baffled.

Other symptoms of GWI, chronic fatigue, joint pains, muscle pains and loss, rashes, anxiety and depression, memory problems, headaches, the list goes on. And these are not just mild, they are very chronic problems.
Lou garricks is another worry, a high number of vets have this...

The worst thing is getting help. I have been fighting with the VA for 7 years and I'm finaly starting to get somewhere, they at least admit now that I have GWI. Of course other vets have a worse time of it than me.

I have been trying to get attention to this here on ATS and other places.
People seem to forget when troops come home it's not neseccarily over for them. I haven't worked in 4 yrs. Vets are dying from this, babies being born with diformaties, close family are getting sick...

And what does the gov do, well it finaly admits that GWI exists BUT they seem to put stumbling blocks eveywhere they can to make it as hard as they can for vets to be taken seriously and get the help we need.

We want answers for our health problems, it's not fun being sick and even less fun when you're sick with multiple syptoms and no idea what you're gonna come down with next.

Not looking for sympathy, just answers. I want to be well again, I want to be able to enjoy the physical activity I once did. I used to be a bike messenger, now I can barely walk...

Sorry I strayed a little of topic but I think it relates...

DU is a problem, don't let them tell you it's not...Go ask a vet!

[edit on 29/11/2005 by ANOK]

Nice find Souljah. Im sure it will be another fun topic. Tho it is sad 2 see how US army takes care of their troops. But again... nothing new.

Since our extreme US friends didnt wake up... let me post something in ther name.

---- Start a random bushism ----

You people are so quick to assume the worst on things you cant understand, this is obsurd, the level of ignorance and belief in things by "opinion" even with common sense showing otherwise, i am getting tired of reading crap everyday, can any of you use consideration or non-biased thinking without making emotional assumptions?

---- Stop a random bushism ----

Thank You for your Post and for Sharing this with us, ANOK.

This all reminds me of the movie Born on 4th of July and how Soldiers who Fought the Wars for the Goverment are Quickly forgotten when they need Help.

I find this Situation truly Sad and Frightening at the Same time. Sad, because the Goverment does not give a Damn for their Own people, their Own Soldiers - how can you Expect that they will Care for anybody Else? Frightening, because somebody had to APPROVE of this DU ammo being used, despite the Warnings of "Side Effects" on Humans in close contact.

The Goverment, along with the Strong Pro-War, Pro-Military-Industry Lobby, only cares how to gain more Profits. And in order to do that, they will do whatever it takes to get to that Goal.

But News are like this:

Democrats slam budget cuts for veterans' services
Bush cuts veterans’ benefits
Frustrated Veterans Accuse Bush of Breaking Promise

I remember a Bunch of People here on this Board claiming that DU is GOOD and DU is nothing BAD - I wonder if they would tell the same story, if they were on Your place.

I seriously Doubt it.

Thanks again for this post,
and I Truly Wish that you get Better and Well and back on that Bike!

Originally posted by ANOK
A lot of the symptoms are the same and they are so varied it's hard to pin it down to just one cause.

ANOK, I am sorry that you are sick and have a hard time getting around but I think you should meet some military doctors who were actually in the War than any Vetrans hospital docs that you go to because they have a better idea about the effects of DU on the system.
The effects of GWI are very unpredictable, I know some people who have GWI but they all claim it to be different things, some say it was the fury of the war, others the vaccines, others say that Saddam unleashed some advanced chemical weapon on them etc. But all the doctors who I have spoken to from the War, my Dad being one of them, claim that it more psychological than physical though their are some geniuine cases that were affected by the DU and the oil fires.
He said that during GW DU was new and only a few trained doctors knew how to diagnose and treat these problems also the level of radiation was no greater than that submariners faced when in a nuclear sub. The main culprit was that the soldiers who were given the DU ammo and some of the field commanders were not trained in handling DU weaponry and working with DU munitions, most thought them to be conventional weapons and thus came in extreem contact with DU especially when DU munitions was dropped by air in close support etc. He said that the number of people who claimed to have suffered from DU poisioning is way off the actual figure but because of the nature of DU and its unpredictability in conventional diagnosis many illnesses are mistaken to be that caused by DU .

Other symptoms of GWI, chronic fatigue, joint pains, muscle pains and loss, rashes, anxiety and depression, memory problems, headaches, the list goes on. And these are not just mild, they are very chronic problems.

As you can see most of these can be attributed to psychosomatic problems, as for Lou garricks military diet is very low on fibre and so are bowel movements for active marines, this could be the cause.

As for this thread about a vet getting poisioned by DU that is unlikely as all DU weapons are sealed in special containers that say very clearly DU on top. These containers reduce the radiation from these Du weapons.



[edit on 29-11-2005 by IAF101]

Interesting, Matthew believes this to be true. They blame DU on a birth defect.

I think it is great that an highly knolwedgeable and experienced scientist and doctor is also a part time warrior; that is awesome.

Oh? He isn't this great scientist/doctor? Oh, well, he's just another activist with a belief, and he's been subjected to a much smaller dose of radiation than I and many others have been, and you realize that not all birth defects are because of radiation, right?

But, whatever little articles about people with unscientific positions that can be used to continue your monotonous barrage of anti-American, pro-terrorist stuff, right?

*Yawn*

Good night.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Interesting, Matthew believes this to be true. They blame DU on a birth defect.

I think it is great that an highly knolwedgeable and experienced scientist and doctor is also a part time warrior; that is awesome.

Oh? He isn't this great scientist/doctor? Oh, well, he's just another activist with a belief, and he's been subjected to a much smaller dose of radiation than I and many others have been, and you realize that not all birth defects are because of radiation, right?

But, whatever little articles about people with unscientific positions that can be used to continue your monotonous barrage of anti-American, pro-terrorist stuff, right?

*Yawn*

Good night.

I knew this was coming. Im not surprised tho that this came from a guy which even doesnt understand what "give admin rights" mean.

Now my question is why all people that have a bit diferent view than yours are flaged with "anti-American, pro-terrorist".

Or even better question where in this topic there is a talk about anti-American, pro-terrorist stuff?

Thanx u in advance for your replay.


You have voted Thomas Crowne for the bushism award. You have two more votes this month.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Interesting, Matthew believes this to be true. They blame DU on a birth defect.

I think it is great that an highly knolwedgeable and experienced scientist and doctor is also a part time warrior; that is awesome.

Oh? He isn't this great scientist/doctor? Oh, well, he's just another activist with a belief, and he's been subjected to a much smaller dose of radiation than I and many others have been, and you realize that not all birth defects are because of radiation, right?

But, whatever little articles about people with unscientific positions that can be used to continue your monotonous barrage of anti-American, pro-terrorist stuff, right?

*Yawn*

Good night.

Why is this ANTI-AMERICAN, PRO-TERRORIST STUFF?
Are you Blind Judge?
Has Hatred towards the A-rabs completly blinded you?
These are YOUR OWN PEOPLE here - Veterans of the United States Army.
How are they being taken care of?
Why are they being Lied to?
Here you have, not just One Veteran telling you his Experience, but TWO of them - one being a Member of this Board.
Still - whatever it is said against the current US-Goverment is strictly ANTI-AMERICAN, right, PRO-TERRORIST STUFF, right?

Really *YAWN!*

W A K E U P !

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Oh? He isn't this great scientist/doctor? Oh, well, he's just another activist with a belief, and he's been subjected to a much smaller dose of radiation than I and many others have been, and you realize that not all birth defects are because of radiation, right?

But, whatever little articles about people with unscientific positions that can be used to continue your monotonous barrage of anti-American, pro-terrorist stuff, right?

*Yawn*

Agreed, TC.
Activism at its finest.
Sandia Depleted Uranium Study: No Serious Health Risks Found.

And please, G_o_l_d_y, throw one of those Bushism awards my way, k?
Cause Souljah is exactly as was insinuated: anti-US, pro-terrorist, that is, based upon his continued posting of a "monotonous barrage of anti-American, pro-terrorist stuff". Fact and undeniable.






seekerof

[edit on 29-11-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by ANOK
A lot of the symptoms are the same and they are so varied it's hard to pin it down to just one cause.

The effects of GWI are very unpredictable

Both my sons are in the military, and they both have been vaccinated.
It is impossible to sue the govt for these vaccinations if they turn out to be the problem, root of problem, possible cause, or primary cause of illness. (ie auto-immune system messed up)

And congress is pushing a bill to make it so that citizens that receive vaccinations for a pandemic, also will not be able to sue- in fact- they may go to jail until they submit to the vaccination or the pandemic passes.

Personally, I find that doctors- military or otherwise- are just pushing pharmaceuticals for kickbacks, covering their backs to make sure they don't get sued, and trying to make the most money they can to pay for their education and lifestyle.

If you want to get better, I suggest some alternative treatments to get rid of the toxins, and boost the immunity system.

I just saw an ad recently about a program shooting down alternative therapies, because it may all be in your head that you are sick. And that what alternative therapies do is heal your whole system, mind body, and spirit. I guess that is really, really bad for pharmaceuticals and the majority of the medical field. I guess that's why they want to shoot it down. And why they don't want to fund why it does work....

Originally posted by Seekerof
Agreed, TC.
Activism at its finest.
Sandia Depleted Uranium Study: No Serious Health Risks Found.

Go tell that to the Veterans that are Sick and have 8-times as much Toxic Uranium in their Bodies then any other person.

And please, G_o_l_d_y, throw one of those Bushism awards my way, k?

Cause Souljah is exactly as was insinuated: anti-US, pro-terrorist, that is, based upon his continued posting of a "monotonous barrage of anti-American, pro-terrorist stuff". Fact and undeniable.

It is really Fun to Observe how YOU, the so-called PRO-US, ANTI-TERRORIST people react to such and related News: with absouletly Nothing but Insults and silly, childish and immature namecalling that is suited for Forum Board for adolescent members. US goverment always GOOD - everybody else is a TERRORIST LOVER.

"You with us, or you're with the Terrorists", huh Seeker?

Yea, let's listen to what the President of United States of America has to say:

"I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you. Now, watch this drive.



Wow - How can you Not Trust this Man?



[edit on 29/11/05 by Souljah]

Goldy, you got a problem? I very much suggest you u2u me and explain what you were trying to say as that post added nothing but offense with no value. Admin rights? You have a right to u2u as soon as you read this.

Soiuljah, I made it very dlear that the article was a non-article based on assumption of someone who is sick. This makes nothing in the way of fact. I also made it clear that, from where I've been, his accumulation isn't that great.

Because of your vast and unvaried manner of posting content that is along the lines of anti-U.S. propaganda while ignoring contrary information, this is clearly nothing more than following your usual agenda.

Goldy, you have made a moronic political statement by creating a "Bushism Award" for me. No mention of Bush was made, only the pointing out of what should be obvious facts. As far as expecting me to make the statements I have made, that was a knee-jerk response as you have NO IDEA about my past history.

Thanx Souljah...

Just to clear up a couple of points...

My sickness did not come from DU, I was in the Navy...

My sickness is from the experimental vaccines they gace us...
And if any of you don't believe that GWI exists and it is not caused by the vaccines you are completey ignorant. Do some research.

How is Osteoporosis psychosomatic? How are vets dying if it's psychosomatic?
How are babies being born with deformaties if it's psychosomatic?
How are family members geting sick, blah blah blah.....

And military diet low on fibre LMAO
You ever eaten at a Navy galley? Trust me plenty of high fibre food available.

And those that think this is just anti-American pro terrorist, again you're ignorant! So freakin ignorant that I could get banned here if I said what I really wanted to say to you!
In one breath you all shout 'support the troops' and in the next you accuse us of spreading anti-American and pro-terroist properganda!!
I can't believe I'm hearing this garbage. Defineatly wont be taking any of your posts seriously anymore

I've been through 2 GWI research projects, which is 2 days of tests including 3 (three) 2 hour MRI's, a full physical, a battery of psycological tests etc...

Trust me it's real, this is NOT a conpiracy it's fact....Vets are dying from this.

Go visit a VA hostpital, the one I go to has a special doctor just for GW vets (haven't seen him yet myself)....Go visit an AMVETS office and ask them how many GW vets they have seen and got service connected disability for.

*Shakes Head*

[edit on 29/11/2005 by ANOK]

Originally posted by ANOK
How is Osteoporosis psychosomatic? How are vets dying if it's psychosomatic?

If you ever met a medical person, other than a medic you would know that Osteoporosis affects many people who are below 50 and that is nothing shocking, even those who have access to calcium and the like. It is the rate at which calcium is metabolised in the body that matters not the amount of calcium you take, also genetic factors play a role. It could also be due to a water problem, the reasons are many and all you can blame is the vaccines that the DoD gave you for YOUR saftey ???Thats the most lame excuse I've heard for ill health. If the DoD hadnt given the troops vaccines then it would blow into a whole " their sending our troops without any protection" issue and now that they were given you say that its because of this that you are sick?
I agree that the immunizations were made adhock but they were tested and given, the only thing that didnt happen was that they didnt document the immunizations and the doses given to each person, thats where the mix-up could have occured from what I've been told.
As for vets dying, the causes are too many to point out one single reason such as the immunizations or the DU or something. It is more the hype and the lack of educated information that is the cause of these wild accusations.

How are babies being born with deformaties if it's psychosomatic?
How are family members geting sick,\

Are all babies being born with deformaties? If so then we would have a huge population of disabled kids all across America from all the service members kids, clearly that isnt the case. Also if the immunizations were the cause then the only person it would effect would be the person on which it was administered, they dont alter your DNA nor do they cause any mutation as these are mere anti-bodies to the agents that would be faced by the person during Desert Storm.
Just because a family member has the Flu doesnt mean that it was the vaccines that the military gave you during the GW, thats silly. Even other conditions can be attributed to personal or other immediate environmental factors and not necessarily through the ex-service man.

And military diet low on fibre LMAO

You ever eaten at a Navy galley? Trust me plenty of high fibre food available.

Have you ever eated Field rations ?? Try that diet for 15-20 days and then talk about fibre.

I've been through 2 GWI research projects, which is 2 days of tests including 3 (three) 2 hour MRI's, a full physical, a battery of psycological tests etc...

Why do you think they are subjecting you to psychological tests?? Because the problem could be psychological.
For example, if someone complains of fatigue, all the doc has is the patient's word he cant know how fatigued he is on some scale. Also chronic fatigue is generally very serious and many a time, it is more psychological than physical.


[edit on 30-11-2005 by IAF101]

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Soiuljah, I made it very dlear that the article was a non-article based on assumption of someone who is sick. This makes nothing in the way of fact. I also made it clear that, from where I've been, his accumulation isn't that great.

Because of your vast and unvaried manner of posting content that is along the lines of anti-U.S. propaganda while ignoring contrary information, this is clearly nothing more than following your usual agenda.

OK TC;
Who you like Better:

- Your "Friends" that keep on LYING to you, because they do not want to Hurt your feelings?
- Your FRIENDS that tell you the Truth to the Face, showing with this, that they really care more, then your "Friends" that are Lying.

So far current US Goverment has proven only one thing: that they know VERY Well how to LIE to their own people and to the people of the World. They have also shown how to "take care of themselves" and their Interests - ignoring the problems of the People, of the Society and of the Enviroment.

So please, ask yourself - which "Friends" do you like better.

Originally posted by Souljah
Who you like Better:
- Your "Friends" that keep on LYING to you, because they do not want to Hurt your feelings?
- Your FRIENDS that tell you the Truth to the Face, showing with this, that they really care more, then your "Friends" that are Lying.

ROFLMAO!!
So Souljah here is a "FRIEND" in need!
Only thing I can say is, with "FRIENDS" like this who needs enemies ??

If this is the kind of TRUTH that you bring, than I look forward to your LIES.

IAF101 you are so full of it I don't know where to start!

What do you mean medic? I'm not still in the service you know? Haven't been for ten years. I see specialists not medics...Jeez.
And yes I know all about Osteo, seeing as I have it...DOH!
There is nothing wrong with my calcium absorbsion, if there was I would have LOW levels in my system!
And it is rare for people under 50, unless you were a heavy drinker, smoker, or just didn't do anything phyical. I am none of these. I was bike messenger up till 4 yrs ago when I began to have symptoms. I rode an average of 60 miles a day, mostly sprinting.
I guess it must be in my head eh?

news.bbc.co.uk...

www.cnsnews.com...\ForeignBureaus\archive\200401\FOR20040114e.html

The vaccines were not for our safety, they were experimental, not FDA aproved. I'm not trying to make a conspiricy here. It's a proven fact, do some damn research before you make an idiot of yourself.
No the vaccines were not recorded, and the vets who got the shots medical records have misterialy disapeared. I wonder why
Even the GWI researchers, who work for the gov, are admiting this (at least off record to our faces.)

They are not wild accusations!!

www.widesmiles.org...

How would we be seeing deformed babies everywhere? In my city there are only about half a dozen cases of GWI, non of us have had children.
How many do you think there would be across America? Think about it.

And no you are wrong on the chronic fatigue! There is no known cause for it.
And if it's all in our heads, how come we've all got the same freakin symptoms?

Jeez even the governments admits now that it's real. People have gone to the brig for refusing the Anthrax shots...

www.webmd.com...

Get a clue

[edit on 30/11/2005 by ANOK]

[edit on 30/11/2005 by ANOK]

Great thread souljah.

Sorry to hear of your problems Anok. It's not easy - but we're behind you.

...The body is a complex system - most of this stuff builds up - and then it starts interracting. Then ya gotchur ordinary-everyday environmental contamination - and who the hull knows what's doing what. So no - there's no direct or clear cause and effect. It all adds up, and then it works together.

FYI - There might be something here you can use:

Poison DUst: Depleted Uranium Kills

Originally posted by soficrow
Great thread souljah.

Sorry to hear of your problems Anok. It's not easy - but we're behind you.

...The body is a complex system - most of this stuff builds up - and then it starts interracting. Then ya gotchur ordinary-everyday environmental contamination - and who the hull knows what's doing what. So no - there's no direct or clear cause and effect. It all adds up, and then it works together.

FYI - There might be something here you can use:

Poison DUst: Depleted Uranium Kills

Thanx soficrow! That means a lot to me!

You're right about it building up over time...That's why most GW vets didn't start getting sick till 10 yrs after the war.
Those that have DU poisoning on top of the vaccines got sick much quicker.

Those that didn't get the vaccines are not getting sick, the "test group" I think that's what you call it when they do research on people?

Why don't all the vets with the symptoms organise a huge rally - from what I have heard, there are thousands of vets with GWS (or whatever they are calling it). Plan a march on the white house, they cannot ignore you then - march right up to the gates and site there until you get results.

-sw