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You can't have a meaningful comparison or even assess an aircraft individually until that aircraft actually exists...
Ths Su-35BM will be more than enough to take care of the F-18 AND 35, WHY pak-fa is needed for the F-22.
Originally posted by kilcoo316
The PAK-FA would be a pretty poor concept if it didn't stuff the POS F/A-18!
Originally posted by 121200
Ths Su-35BM will be more than enough to take care of the F-18
Originally posted by 121200
AND 35,
Originally posted by 121200
WHY pak-fa is needed for the F-22.
Originally posted by kilcoo316
Easily (IMO).
Originally posted by kilcoo316
Maybe - but I would not like to face off with one.
Originally posted by kilcoo316
Kinematically, the Su-35 will be light years ahead of the F-35, it will also have a bigger radar and better combat persistence.
In terms of aerodynamic performance, the F-35 is an excellent machine, Beesley said. Having previously been only the second man ever to have flown the F-22 Raptor, Beesley became the first pilot ever to fly the F-35 in late 2006. As such, Beesley is intimately familiar with both programs. According to Beesley, the four current test pilots for F-35 have been most impressed by the aircraft's thrust and acceleration. In the subsonic flight regime, the F-35 very nearly matches the performance of its' larger, more powerful cousin, the F-22 Raptor, Beesley explained. The "subsonic acceleration is about as good as a clean Block 50 F-16 or a Raptor- which is about as good as you can get." Beesley said.
What Beesley expects will surprise future F-35 pilots is the jets' superb low speed handling characteristics and post-stall maneuverability. While the F-22 with its thrust vectored controls performs better at the slow speeds and high angle of attack (AOA) flight regime, the F-35 will be able match most of the same high AOA maneuvers as the Raptor, although it will not be able to do so as quickly as the more powerful jet in some cases. Turning at the higher Gs and higher speed portions of the flight envelope, the F-35 will "almost exactly match a clean Block 50 F-16 and comes very close to the Raptor", Beesley said.
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Originally posted by kilcoo316
The F-35 has its lower RCS, but is that enough to get it under the Su-35's much larger engagement envelope?
Originally posted by kilcoo316
I'm sure there are a lot of people with access to much more information than me asking the same question.
Not according to experts: www.ausairpower.net...
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Originally posted by kilcoo316
Easily (IMO).
Oh, here we go again. Honestly, the argument can definitely be made that the Su-35 is more impressive in the kinematic regime over the SuperBug. However as far as avionics and weapons go, the SuperHornet has that category.
Actually Su-35BM will be able to supercruise.
Also, as far as persistence goes, the Su-35 may carry more fuel but consider the drag factor and the efficiency of the engines. Don't be surprised if the F-35 can supercruise at low supersonic speeds with a clean external load after it burns off some fuel. It also retains the ability to carry external fuel tanks and jettison them off to "stealth up".
Much larger engagement enevelope? Fully loaded the Su-35 will not be as maneuverable, deff not LO, and will have to up that afterburner to get anywhere significant fast. Meanwhile the F-35 will most likely not be detected and will have complete situational awareness of the battlefield. It can position itself in the best possible position for an attack.
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Originally posted by kilcoo316
I'm sure there are a lot of people with access to much more information than me asking the same question.
Yet all of them seem satisfied and confident in the F-35. It's only the outsiders looking in who huff and puff.
Originally posted by 121200
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Originally posted by 121200
Actually Su-35BM will be able to supercruise.
Originally posted by 121200
It will be manuverable, thats why the TV Engines are there, and A Su test pilot was interviewd awhile back putting to rest the western argument claims that the cobra manuver is not combat capable.
Originally posted by 121200
NOT ACCORDING TO SOME EXPERTS: www.ausairpower.net...
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Originally posted by 121200
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Anything Carlo says needs to be taken with a grain of salt, his emotions and personal views clearly get the better of him. When one has an agenda even solid facts wont stop you from reaching the wrong conclusions. As far as "experts" are concerned, the real experts are those officially working within these programs.
Originally posted by 121200
Actually Su-35BM will be able to supercruise.
Yeah I don't buy that one bit, I'd like to see it demonstrated under combat conditions. Be careful about promotional claims, even some versions of the F-16 can "supercruise", so can some other aircraft. I.e. break the sound barrier with no afterburner, given specific conditions. But there is a lot more to consider when combat relevancy comes into play.[
Originally posted by 121200
It will be manuverable, thats why the TV Engines are there, and A Su test pilot was interviewd awhile back putting to rest the western argument claims that the cobra manuver is not combat capable.
[edit on 1-12-2008 by 121200]
Well untill another reputable source comes and counters what he wrote with facts, it safe to say he (Carlo) knows what he's talking about, plus he gives his sources, so what you post is nothing but YOUR opinion, and NOT fact.
How many times do I have to remnd you, it doesn't matter what YOU think, it's a fact it will super cruise:
www.globalsecurity.org...
www.milavia.net...
Thrust to weight performance for the engine was cited at 11:1, and sustained supercruise speeds of Mach 1.6 to 1.8 were claimed.
that during testing of a Su-35BM fighter equipped with these engines it was traveling at the ~1.1-1.2M airspeed at nominal power and was still accelerating, thus suggesting that the supercruise was possible at even higher speed. Further testing will show the extent of this possibility.
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