all the f117, tornado, f15e, etc, hits were done after these radars were blowed by the apaches, btw tomahawks helped a lot

the first f117 strikes werent done in bagdag, but anyway, remember that without early warning radars there is a complete desorganization, actually the f18 downed by the mig25 in the war wasnt done by central coordination, but because the 25s pilot saw the fire stela of the 18 HARM, lol

[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

And the F-117s went in well before the F-18s, Tornado, and all the others into Baghdad. They flew directly over the city, including the SAMs, AAA guns, and buildings, without a shot being fired at them, until they started dropping bombs.

man you are drunk, there first targets were comunication nodes miles away from bagdag

the bagdag problem was that were blinded by the lack of these blowed radars and the comunications relays, they didnt know what to shoot, so the reason of the AAA "rain" in bagdag

they didnt shoot many sams in the first night, because, as sometimes happen in the banks....they didnt had system..lol

[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

ahhh, the first system that you need in the anti-air war is in fact the early warning radars, without them you are blinded, they were destroyed by apaches to open the operation for the f117s, in the radar "black-out" area

hundreds of sams????lol, that was AAA

the first attack of the f117 was against a info node miles away from bagdag, obviously also attacked the city, but actually the city itself wasnt the most defended target, also the city defences were very busy with the tomahaks

the military bases bombed by the tornados were the most heaviest defended targets in the war, really in aface -to -face against the sams, but also easy cake by the radar-comunications first strike

you can bomb anything when your foes dont have radars or communications centers


[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

ahhh, well whatever, so what???, bagdagh wasnt the heaviest target, and the apaches were actually the key in all the attack

and wasnt minutes later, the f117 attack was almost an half hour later

actually the guys that done the real job were the apaches pilots, but again by all that sci-fi stealth stuff, the cool guys are the 117 pilots

[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

The 117s were already across the border when the Apaches took out the radar. Feest dropped the first bomb within a couple of minutes of the Apache strike, 150 miles inside the border. The Apache strike was 21 minutes before H Hour. If the 117s waited until then, they would have had to travel 150 miles to the first city, drop the bombs there, AND all the way to Baghdad and be there in 21 minutes to drop there at H Hour. The F-117 just ain't that fast.

The attack on BAGHDAD was half an hour later. Major Feest hit the com node within minutes of the Apache strike.

[edit on 12/6/2005 by Zaphod58]

at M0.9-0.8, you are

The TOP speed of an F-117 is 0.8 mach. They're not going to be travelling at top speed the entire mission, or they wouldn't have enough fuel for the round trip, not to mention that the engines can't handle being run that long at full throttle.

[edit on 12/6/2005 by Zaphod58]

[edit on 12/6/2005 by Zaphod58]

And the Apache attack was at 2:39. That's 12 minutes to go from inside Saudi Arabia, 150 miles into Iraq, find the target, and hit it. That means the F-117s were across the border before the Apaches hit the radar.

do some maths, 12-15 minutes 1/4 of hour, 600 miles, then 1/4 of 600/650= around 150 miles, a well coordinated operation -that not considering the factor id the planes were already 30-50 miles inside counting by the apache attack

you can always enter some miles before the info organitation and shoot response

[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

Yeah, they were 30-50 miles inside Iraq when the Apache strike hit. If they were in Saudi, they would have had to have been far enough back to not be detected by the Iraqi radar systems, which would have put them a LOT farther back than 12 minutes flying time to the first target.

you must consider the time of enemy responce, is not as you think, i mean your f117 are showed in the green screen, then all the sams shoot them??, you have seen too much top gun , there is time of responce, target confirmation, iff verification,etc.. and also to wait the planes get into the missile range

the funny thing is that these radars were blowed by apaches, not your holys f117

anyway the maths are clear



[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

You REALLY think that the Iraqi missile batter commander didn't already have orders to shoot at anything crossing the border from Saudi, without having to go back to headquarters? Good god, they KNEW the strike was coming, they're not going to sit there and go "Oh look, here come some planes from Saudi Arabia into our country. We'll just let them go by."

And when have I EVER said the F-117 is some holy plane, or stealth is some magic invisibility shield? I NEVER said that. I only pointed out that it's not as crappy as you would have everyone believe.

[edit on 12/6/2005 by Zaphod58]

man, this isnt as you think, by your stupid way of thinking you could lose friendly planes

also one thing is the detection range and other the missile range

no the plane isnt crapy, i never said that, but in a enviorement below 9Ghz is better not act as maverick

again i said that the plane have use in some spectre of radio, but is useless in others

[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

So what, the Iraqi radar went to the border and magically stopped? You're telling me that there were Iraqi planes flying in Saudi Arabia? It's going to be pretty obvious to the radar operator that they're coming in from over the border. Not to mention if they have no planes on radar, then suddenly there are, and they're coming from the wrong direction, they're not your planes.

isnt about arabia sauidi is about iraqi territorie

hell, man if the radar operators would have such way of thinking we would have more patriots-tornados incidents

they had planes in the sky, bombers,transport, etc remember that one f18 was downed by a foxbat, there were other planes around, the air control isnt as you think a precise an exactly stuff, it always takes some time for the confirmation in the iff and warning survenlance radar phase


[edit on 6-12-2005 by grunt2]

Apples and oranges grunt. Iraq KNEW that planes coming from Saudi Arabia were coming to attack them. The Patriot sites knew that it COULD be planes coming to attack, so had to take longer to identify them.