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Ritual Abuse of UK Marines

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posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 05:33 AM
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Guess what?
There is a NEW Video of Marine Abuse!

Naked Marines forced to drink alcohol, eat soiled food, fight each other, get pelted with eggs and roll around in thorn bushes.. and the MoD says they're just letting off steam


Mirro r.co.uk

Twenty Marines, just back from serving in Iraq, are made to strip naked, plied with booze and humiliated by senior colleagues.

The men, from 40 Commando, are forced to:

DRINK their own vomit and urine;

EAT Weetabix covered in mud and urine;

BATTER one another while naked and leap into thorny bushes;

SIMULATE sex with one another;

GO on gruelling runs while drunk until they throw up.

One 40 Commando Marine source revealed yesterday: "I've seen people break their arms and gouge their bodies badly. It can get nasty.

"Everyone knows it goes on but top brass turn a blind eye.

"You just have to get blind drunk and put up with it."

Last night the MoD insisted these scenes, filmed in Taunton, Somerset, had merely been part of a "party" and dismissed them as "letting off steam".


FANCY DRESS: The men are seated as other Marines, dressed as women, pour out booze and press them to drink


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Hey, this is just getting Better and Better.
First it was just a couple of Drunken Marines, Beathing each other, Naked ofcourse. You will say, Hey its JUST another, Silly Initiation - and it increases these Marines bonds. There is a show on MTV, where College students do just about everything for 100$ - even eat their own Vomit. We have seen that on the show Jackass and on English version Dirty Sachez - where alot of Alcohol and alot of Pain are intented to be "Fun".

Still - there is one thing in my mind: if these Marines are having such "Abuses" among themselves, imagine what they would do to the Enemy Prisoners? Conventions, Law go out the Window...

But if you ask me, Colonel Bob Stewart, who commanded British forces in Bosnia, nailed it when he said:

"It's wrong and horrific."

[edit on 30/11/05 by Souljah]




posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Still - there is one thing in my mind: if these Marines are having such "Abuses" among themselves, imagine what they would do to the Enemy Prisoners? Conventions, Law go out the Window...



BS. British Forces are probably one of the best armies in the world when it comes to handling POWs and obeying international law.
Unlike the Yanks, we found out a long time ago that a "Hearts and Mind" approach is the best way to deal with a captured enemy or a contested territory.
In Southern Iraq, where British Forces are based, the coalition has a good reputation with local people. There isn't 1% of the trouble that US forces and their "shoot first,ask questions later" approach, are facing elsewhere.

As for the second report? The fact that the Marines are "letting off steam" goes to show that they control their aggression. It may be hard for some people to stomach just exactly what they do get up to for "recreation", but then those people aren't highly trained killers who belong to one of the most elite forces in the world. If you have problems with that, try finding a group of Marines and go out on the beer with them. It will open your eyes. Most of them are nice guys but they see the world in a totally different way to the rest of us.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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In the video's all you can hear is laughing all the way through it. Its shocking to people outside of the forces but these guys live,sleep,*censored* & die toghter im sure that being nanked in front of each other really dosnt bother them & getting a beating isnt much of a problem either otherwise they they wouldnt be there.

Its a reason why they wear a Green Beret & we dont

heres a good story on them one that refelcts a more posotive light maybe ask this lady about the abuse she went through to get her's

news.bbc.co.uk...

I wouldnt actually use News of the world if i ran out of toilet paper let alone take notice of what it Reports



mod edit: please do not circumvent the censors


[edit on 30-11-2005 by sanctum]



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 07:46 AM
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I think this is just complete demoralization taking place.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:07 AM
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Sort of like what you see on sea merchant school here in Slovenia with the newcomers, oh or the scouts as well. Once i witnessed the initiation into the scouts, and the newcomers were spanked by older scouts so hard their butts were blue for a week


it wasnt pretty.

oh and what they do to the new sailors every year is even worse, they drag them all around the city by the seaside, dressed as girlies, make them eat weird stuff, beat them, throw them into the sea who knows what else...total mockery....

its not as violent, but it still shows the human psyche at its worst



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:12 AM
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This is what happens when non-military flower children types look at the military. They just don't get it and never will.

Anyone remember pinning on "stripes"? Or pinning on jump wings?

How about crossing the equator?



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by thermopolis
This is what happens when non-military flower children types look at the military. They just don't get it and never will.

OH Yea, mister A-Bomb!
Whats your Solution to Worlds Problems?
More Violence?
More Killing?
More Guns?
More Tanks?
More WAR?



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by thermopolis
This is what happens when non-military flower children types look at the military. They just don't get it and never will.

Anyone remember pinning on "stripes"? Or pinning on jump wings?

How about crossing the equator?



that was much worse in my opinion, that was really BRUTAL and SADISTIC



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by thermopolis
This is what happens when non-military flower children types look at the military. They just don't get it and never will.

OH Yea, mister A-Bomb!
Whats your Solution to Worlds Problems?
More Violence?
More Killing?
More Guns?
More Tanks?
More WAR?


For you and me - No.
But if you are a soldier (and it's soldiers we are talking about here) - Yes.

As brutal as it may sound, you are looking at this subject with rose-tinted glasses. That's why we are called civilians.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by thermopolis
This is what happens when non-military flower children types look at the military. They just don't get it and never will.

OH Yea, mister A-Bomb!
Whats your Solution to Worlds Problems?
More Violence?
More Killing?
More Guns?
More Tanks?
More WAR?


Solution is absolute no second change extermination.

Rem the movie "The day the earth stood still" Gort has the power to incinerate the planet. I like that idea! Incinerate the agressor......

Oh and that's "Sir" Mr. A-BomB "Sir" to you......


[edit on 30-11-2005 by thermopolis]



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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It is surely a situation that was out of hand, but then these guys signed up for the toughest infantry training in the British Armed Forces.
To be honest I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of any of the 'Hazing' or 'Drunken fun' (Whichever you prefer) but then I am not someone who has passed 30+ Weeks of gruelling training and conditioning.
These are they men who mount amphibious raids and may have to tear out a fellow man's throat to stop him raising the alarm. You can't molly-coddle them.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Leveller
For you and me - No.
But if you are a soldier (and it's soldiers we are talking about here) - Yes.

As brutal as it may sound, you are looking at this subject with rose-tinted glasses. That's why we are called civilians.

Care to imagine what would happen in tomorrow there was suddenly no more soldiers? I mean, not that they would die or anyhing, just there would be no more Wars and we would not need their services anymore. We would not need anymore tanks and semi-automataic rifels and warplanes and warships. We would not need anymore missiles and rockets and bombs and bullets. Well that would be SPLENDID!

But NOT for the Army! Army NEEDS Wars. Army WANTS Wars. And if you are a Military Corporation you must do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING in order to keep Selling your product to the World.

Wars today are just being waged for Profit.

Not for Land.

Not for any Ideals.

Not for Democracy.

Not for Freedom.

Just Profit.

Because the World is becoming a Capatlistic Society and therefore Wars are the reflection of this Capitalistic Society. With few Expections ofcourse. As is another thread in this forum suggesting, that when CHINA will start a war, it will be for Land Grab - apparently there is no more room in China for the Chinese people...

[edit on 30/11/05 by Souljah]



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by Leveller
For you and me - No.
But if you are a soldier (and it's soldiers we are talking about here) - Yes.


Care to imagine what would happen in tomorrow there was suddenly no more soldiers? I mean, not that they would die or anyhing, just there would be no more Wars and we would not need their services anymore.



What a load of Utopian claptrap. Soldiers fight wars - they don't create them. And what do you think will happen if our Armies are disbanded. Do you expect everyone else to go off hugging trees and sniffing flowers?
Last time I looked, most conflicts in this world involve people who aren't trained soldiers but are members of militias or terrorist groups - but you should know that already as your tag says that you are a "guerilla", right?

And while you're at it, why don't you get rid of that avatar. The Jedi are soldiers. They use violence as a means to an end. Spouting rubbish whilst having that sit under your name makes you look like a hypocrite.

[edit on 30-11-2005 by Leveller]



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Let me guess, out of 6000 men you expect 6000 men not to be toss pots at one time or another? Most of them are blind drunk, hell drink does this to people.

Also, if this has been going on for a while then why the hell is it only coming out NOW?
It would have been more hurtful coming out around the same time as the army bully and suicide case was released.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 09:15 AM
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Please refrain from personal attacks and post 'on topic'.

Thank you.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by thermopolis
This is what happens when non-military flower children types look at the military. They just don't get it and never will.

OH Yea, mister A-Bomb!
Whats your Solution to Worlds Problems?
More Violence?
More Killing?
More Guns?
More Tanks?
More WAR?

Drinking urine?
Eating urine and mud covered Weetabix thingies?
Jumping in thorny bushes?

I bet GI Joes just love that kind of stuff. It's also good for training, in extreme conditions you might be forced to drink your own urine and maybe even eat your own poo, might aswell learn to accept it early on.
And it might freak out the enemy!!


[/sarcasm]

(Sorry for the "personal attacks", it won't happen again ... not in a while at least.)



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller
What a load of Utopian claptrap. Soldiers fight wars - they don't create them. And what do you think will happen if our Armies are disbanded. Do you expect everyone else to go off hugging trees and sniffing flowers?
Last time I looked, most conflicts in this world involve people who aren't trained soldiers but are members of militias or terrorist groups - but you should know that already as your tag says that you are a "guerilla", right?

And while you're at it, why don't you get rid of that avatar. The Jedi are soldiers. They use violence as a means to an end. Spouting rubbish whilst having that sit under your name makes you look like a hypocrite.

Hey, whats up with your Attitude?
I was just saying "Imagine IF".
Do you think there would still be Wars if there were no Soldiers?
Do you think people would still kill each other with sticks and stones and bare hands?
Yea, it probably sounds too "Hippy" for you, but the only way to Fight WAR is with LOVE. Only Love can Conquer All - Wars can never. But I guess you are too shallow or too blind to realize that.

And Jedi's are not soldiers - they are KNIGHTS.
You know what a Knight is right?
Anyway, do me a favour and don't tell me what to do, mmmkey?



posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 02:24 AM
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man that's why i would never join the army...it's bad enough u have to worry about possibly going to war and gettin a limb blown off, but this crap is just sick. I'm sure the military has done worse, and it's probly even worse in other countries, but dam that stuff was just unnececary.



posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by Bikereddie
I admit that it is, and was bad, but how can a Marine know before hand that it was going to get out of hand? Why did he take the camera with him?
Maybe it was to make a quick pay cheque by selling it to one of the worse News papers he could have found.
The News Of the World is not the most reliable of media sources to be found.

Hmmmmm, i wonder how much he sold the video for?

Maybe he wanted to make some Money - or maybe he wanted to show to the World whats going on behind Walls of the Marine Barracks. Or maybe in one of the previous Events such as this, one of his Friends got kicked the # out.


If he wanted to show the world what was going on he would have given it the BBC free of charge.

The News of the World is a gutter rag with the same level of truth and believability as the National Enquirer and New Idea.



posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Do you think there would still be Wars if there were no Soldiers?


Yes. I've already stated that most conflicts take place without the participation of soldiers. Go take a look at Africa. Or Asia. Or South America. Or Central America. Doesn't leave many continents where non-soldiers aren't killing each other, does it?


Do you think people would still kill each other with sticks and stones and bare hands?


Yes. History shows that they would, but they wouldn't need to, would they? There are enough guns floating around for them to use. Of course, they could use the "Force" to throw crates and stuff at each other but I don't think that would be as effective.


Yea, it probably sounds too "Hippy" for you, but the only way to Fight WAR is with LOVE. Only Love can Conquer All - Wars can never. But I guess you are too shallow or too blind to realize that.


Love cannot conquer all if the other guy hates your guts. I don't see that as being too hippy - just plain realistic. As for being blind? Maybe you need to study your fellow man. If you were out in Iraq as a hostage of an extremist group, I wouldn't give much for your chances if all you have to combat them with is by telling them that you love them - "Hello video on Arabic website."
Like I said earlier - it's nothing but idealistic, utopian claptrap. Study your fellow man and you'll see this to be true. Maybe in a couple of thousand years or so, man will have developed enough to understand the concept but in the meantime he's going to end up kicking an awful lot of ass. I for one do not intend to leave my ass hanging out to dry in the name of love so that he can kick it. The other guy wants to love me fine, I'll love him back. But I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'm gonna love somebody with whom there is no reasoning. Unfortunately, that is the way the world works right now. If you can change it, good luck to you. But you ain't Jesus and I doubt very much that sacrificing yourself will get you the attention that he got.


And Jedi's are not soldiers - they are KNIGHTS.
You know what a Knight is right?


Yes. A military man - a soldier. Dress it up any way you want, they still use physical aggression to fight their battles.
From Dictionary.com:

knight
Abbr. Knt. or Kt. A medieval tenant giving military service as a mounted man-at-arms to a feudal landholder.
Abbr. Knt. or Kt. A medieval gentleman-soldier, usually high-born, raised by a sovereign to privileged military status after training as a page and squire.
Abbr. K. A man holding a nonhereditary title conferred by a sovereign in recognition of personal merit or service to the country.

What do you think it means?
Clearly good ol' Obi Wan isn't a Chess piece (the other meaning of Knight). The light sabre (oops a weapon!!!) rather gives that away.



Anyway, do me a favour and don't tell me what to do, mmmkey?


Why not? You have no trouble telling others what to do yourself.



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