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Originally posted by IAF101
I think one thing both of you are not considering is the long term certainty of these products. If the Europeans or the Americans get the contract the Indians would have to play ball their way to keep all those planes flying but with the russians, they dont need to do anything except pay them and maybe not interfere in chechneya. The Europeans and the US would expect India to follow the Western path on international policy and given the Indian track record they arent likely to play that game for very long.
The Indians are known to be unpredictable/uncontrollable
Originally posted by waynos
You have a point there but whats with this need to 'control' foreign powers?
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Even if the Super Hornet or the F-16 is bought, because of the ToT and Deep Liscence ... India will not have to be reliant on the supplier for spares and can produce them by itself.
did everything for china, even cleared F-16 for sale to china, even designed a new airplane called super-7 for china.
Originally posted by IAF101
Take for example the F-14's that the US gave to the Iranians, they still rot in some Iranians airfield or might have been sold as scrap, not one of them took flight!
India is expected to be customer for the new KAB-500S Glonass/Navstar-guided bomb, state trials of which are nearing a successful conclusion, according to reports in the Russian press. The bomb was first dropped in February 2000, but it took five years to overcome all of the technical problems.
Russia's new KAB-500S bombs are to be introduced to units operating the Su-27SM, Su-34 (shown here), and the PAK-FA future fighter. Interestingly, it was announced that Tu-160 bombers will also be armed with KAB-500S bombs, which means that the aircraft will have a dual role : tactical conventional attack, in addition to strategic nuclear deterrence.
Unlike the US Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM), the KAB-500S is a newly built bomb, not a modification kit for existing bombs (as the JDAM is). The KB-500S has a warhead equivalent to 500-kg high-explosive bomb. The new weapon was integrated by OAO MKB Kompas (Moscow, Russia), a design bureau and research institute. The same company developed the PSN-2001 receiver (PSN – Pribor Sputnikovoi Navigatsi, or a device for satellite navigation) that is mounted internally in the bomb and uses two separate antenna systems. The 24-channel PSN-2001 receiver can cooperate with Glonass or Navstar satellites and has an automatic switch from one system to another. The bomb can be dropped from altitudes between 500 m and 10,000 m at speeds of 550-1,100 kmph. The hit accuracy is claimed to be within 5-10 m.
Russia is currently testing a new laser-guided bomb, the KAB-250L , which is similar in appearance and in characteristics to the US GBU-12 Paveway II LGB.
It has the same seeker as the KAB-500L/KAB-1500L (for a detailed description of these, see below), though in a modernized form. The bomb is controlled by front all-moving surfaces, while the tails are fixed. It is designed for export, as well as for domestic use.
It was recently revealed that Russia is testing a new gliding guided bomb.
The UPAB-1500KR ("izdyelye K-070" or "product K-070") is the first Russian gliding bomb. It was based on the KAB-1500KR guided bomb, with folded wings added to achieve a gliding capability. According to Russian sources, the range of UPAB-1500KR is 50-70 km, when dropped from high altitude and at high speed. The target picture is transmitted from a datalink on the bomb and received by the Raduga (Moscow, Russia) APK-8 datalink pod attached to the fuselage of the host aircraft. When the bomb nears its target, the aircrew marks the target, and the bomb is then attacking it independently, at which point it is locked onto the target.
India and Russia are likely to share the Aini airbase in Tajikistan, which is being modernised by Indian Air Force technical personnel.
"Russia is interested in stationing its helicopter gunships and air force squadrons at Aini airbase. Talks are underway with the government of Tajikistan," Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov here said last night after his meeting with Indian National Security Advisor (NSA) M.K. Narayanan. Under an agreement with the government of Tajikistan, IAF is modernising the Aini airbase near the Tajik capital Dushanbe.
India has begun work on developing a 50-seater passenger aircraft, capable of landing and taking off from short semi-prepared runways.
National Aerospace Laboratories, a Bangalore-based CSIR laboratory, which developed the 14-seater Saras aircraft, has been mandated to build the new indigenous passenger airplane.
"The 50-seater aircraft would be powered by a turbo-prop engine. Our team has almost completed the design studies and soon it will be submitted to government for approval and sooner allocation of funds," NAL adviser Dr Kota Harinarayana said in Mumbai.
Harinarayana, who has been tasked with the new civilian airplane project, had led India's most ambitious national project, Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas), starting from the design studies to the successful flights of the first two technology demonstrators.
"We need more turbo-pros so that we can connect a lot of unconnected airports across the country, which are having semi-prepared or short runways" he said.
According to Tulouse-based ATR, which holds 75 per cent market share in the 50 to 70-seater regional turbo-prop aircraft section in India, the country is a lucrative market for 20 to 90-seater aircraft because of expanding coverage on the domestic feeder routes and the growing clout of low-cost carriers and also due to cruising fuel prices.After the completion of development, test flights and required number of testing hours, NAL is planning to hand over the series production of the aircraft either to the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) or some private industries. Referring to Saras, Harinarayana said NAL was developing the second prototype of the aircraft, which will be taken in to the skies by the middle of next year.
The US is now dangling the bait of spin-offs from its futuristic fifth-generation fighter programmes if its F-16 'Falcons' and F/A-18 'Super Hornets' bag India's lucrative $9 billion project to acquire 126 multi-role combat aircraft.
Another sweetener in the US offer is to help make India "a regional hub" in Asia for the production and maintenance of American-origin fighters being operated by other countries.
India, on its part, has shown interest in getting a technical presentation on the ongoing American-led F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) project.
"The presentation will probably take place when US Defence Security Cooperation Agency director Lt-Gen Jeffery Kohler visits India again in March 2006. India requested it during the Indo-US Defence Policy Group meeting in Washington on November 21-23," said a US embassy official on Friday. Since the IAF contract for 126 fighters will involve technology transfer and licensed production in India, the US says the massive project will benefit from spin-offs from its F/A-22 'Raptor' and JSF programmes.
The newly-operational 'Raptor' is billed as the world's most-technically advanced fighter. It's certainly expensive at $258 million a plane, five to six times the cost of a F-16. The spin-offs to India, as Lt-Gen Kohler recently indicated, may include the latest American AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar, which make fighters less vulnerable and more lethal.
RSK MiG has India to exchange its small fleets of MiG-25s for new MiG-31 interceptors in buy-back deals that would support the design bureau’s bid to extend MiG-25 operations for Libya and Syria.
RSK MiG says it is offering two MiG-25 users a trade-in deal that would enable them to acquire new-build MiG-31s to be produced at Sokol’s Nizhny Novgorod plant in exchange for their ageing MiG-25s. The offer is believed to have been made to Algeria and India, which are expected to withdraw their entire MiG-25R/U fleets within the next three to five years. Should the countries accept the offer, their MiG-25s will be disassembled and used as spare parts to sustain Libyan and Syrian aircraft.
Article from Air Power International By Peter Steinemann :
In May 1997, an Indian Force (IAF) Mikoyan MiG-25RB Foxbat-B reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The Foxbat broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained covert, at least to the general public.
The Pakistan Government considered the breaking of the sound barrier as deliberate: to make the point that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the cruising height of the MiG-25 (up to 74,000 feet).
However, from one of PAF's Forward Operating Bases, radar traced the intruder and the F-16As scrambled. Sources in the PAF said that there was no need to intercept a plane flying at the altitude of 65,000 feet as the F-16 can reach an operating ceiling of 55,000 feet.
With an inventory of 10 MiG-25R and 2 MiG-25U, they form the No.102 Trisonics Squadron at Bareilly AFB. An indigenous life extension on the MiG-25 is being studied and reportedly the IAF has received preliminary good results.
JERUSALEM, DECEMBER 12: India is on the verge of acquiring a long-range weapon with Israel scheduled to deliver the 100-km range air to surface stand-off Crystal Maze missile next month.
Manufactured by Rafael, the Crystal Maze is similar to the Popeye all-weather bunker busting missile that is launched from an aircraft to destroy command and control centers, enemy bunkers and even militant training camps from a distance of 80-100 kilometres.
The TV-guided missile, which has a 80 kg warhead, is highly accurate with an error range within three metres.
The acquisition of Crystal Maze missile is extremely significant for Indian offensive capabilities. For the first time, the IAF will have an air-to-surface launched cruise missile that can be fired from an aircraft. The present Indo-Russian supersonic cruise missile, Brahmos is essentially an anti-ship cruise missile and it is very difficult for the bulky missile to be mounted on an aircraft.
Essentially, the missile is launched from a multi-role aircraft like the Mirage that climbs up to height of over 40,000 feet and uses litening pods (Israeli made binocular devices for all-weather targeting) to fix the target from a distance of over 80 km. The missile is launched after target identification.
New Delhi is also looking to acquire Delilah II anti-radiation drone with missile firing capability and Penetration-500 bombs that have the capability to take out runways, radars and concrete bunkers.
The long-range Delilah II drone, akin to US’ Predator used in Afghanistan, has the capability of hanging around (called loiter capability) the target and then hone in at an appropriate time to destroy it.
The RBE2 radar had been in development since 1989. It was decided that the radar would receive a new phased-array antenna with full electronic scan, instead of the electro-mechanical scan employed by the Eurofighter Typhoon's Captor radar. Initially, the radar received a passive phased-array antenna, but ultimately an active electronically scanned array (AESA) will be fitted. According to French Ministry of Defense (MoD) sources, the RBE2 radar has a modest range about 100 km against fighter aircraft, but it operates in a low-probability-of-intercept (LPI) mode and is resistant to deception jamming. The Typhoon's Captor has a range of 160 km against fighters but is considered more prone to jamming and can track fewer targets. The French Air Force accepted the penalty in range reduction for the benefits of LPI and other characteristics. Moreover, in network-centric operations, a common air picture will be transmitted via the Multifunctional Information Distribution System (MIDS) to the Rafale, enabling the aircraft to make use of off-board sensors.
BANGALORE, DEC 16 (PTI)
India and Russia have pumped in USD 50 million to develop an aircraft version of supersonic cruise missile BrahMos, according to a top official of the joint venture.
"Development for the aircraft version is a new initiative... Which was not originally contemplated. Towards that we have added USD 50 million in the company as investment from both India and Russia," CEO and MD of BrahMos Aerospace A Sivathanu Pillai told PTI here today.
Pillai said the Indian Air Force(IAF) would integrate the missile with Sukhoi-30 fighters.
"We have now completed the feasibility study for integrating the BrahMos with Sukhoi-30 for Air Force. They have accepted the report and now we are in the process of making certain changes in the missile which will suit its integration with the Sukhoi... And 2007 is the target date for flying in the aircraft," he said.
The missile system was being inducted by the Indian Navy, Pillai said adding some trials have been conducted for the Army too.
Essentially an anti-ship missile, the BrahMos cruise missile has a striking range of 290 kms and a speed of Mach 3.
He said being the best anti-ship missile in the world today, BrahMos has attracted the interest of many countries."There are countries who are very keen to have the BrahMos system. We are in discussion with them," Pillai said.
. Long flight range with supersonic speed all through the flight
. Shorter flight times leading to lower target dispersion and quicker engagement
. Varieties of flight trajectories
. ‘Fire and forget’ principle of operation
. Higher destructive capability aided by the large kinetic energy of impact
. Higher effectiveness against ship defences
. Canister for transportation, storage and launch
Superiority of the BRAHMOS Supersonic Anti-ship Missile over a Subsonic Long Range Anti-ship Missile
In Velocity by 3 times
In flight range by 2.5 - 3 times
In seeker range by 3 - 4 times
Originally posted by McLaden
First of all I will like to praise you for your enthucism to make others feel that India today is NOT a country full of :
1poor beggars who get glued down to foreigners(be it American European or Russian) ,
2 people answering to call of nature beside the railway lines
3 and the socalled Educated class trying their best to fetch a US/UK visa ....Rather you want to prove that today India is a country with something of world standard ........Well today Indian guys like you are quite frequent in all the international forums around to world ...Trying their best to hide their poverty ......and at the same time you guys are lucky due to the fact that third world countries like India are NOT YET IMPORTANT ENOUGH for the international community to be CONSIDERED ...and thus you go on with your uninformative posts to make India look better.....When someone tells somethig good about Ex Communist countries like Russia-they are counter criticized Because such countries are stiil important enough to be considered But luckyly for you Indians....... India is not...
Now lets come to the point
Throughout the thread you have tried to prove that India is doing well as far as airforce is concerned ....you even go upto the point proclaiming that Indian Pilots /Airforce is better than Ours (i mean US)
1 uptil date the Indian Airforce has NEVER had an impressive record in some REAL BATTLE
2 The last Kargil war was the proof of the condition of the Indian Airforce ...the Indians launched Operation Vijay to clear Pakistan aided invaders in Indian KashMir ...Indian Air force again became worthless when it was really needed
3 Any local news in India will give you an information that each month India looses almost 3 to 4 aircrafts due to crashes ......Indians were quick to blame it on Old Russian Migs to hide their own mistakes ...
the LCA which is today viewed by indians like stealth spy to be india's pride was to be supplied to Indian air force back in the 90s then they delayed it to 2000 ...and now perhaps to 2007(although it dosent have a functioning engine yet) ...even if they can develop the LCA by 2007 will take atleast 2015 for them to be serially produced and function in the air force...but by 2015 the LCA will be an obsolete design ...so the LCA is basically a Flop Project by the indians ....but to my utter surprise I see Indians being proud of the LCA...
...and these guys out here dare to compare India with us
with due respect to Indians for their great Ancient culture I want to say that I personally dont have any hatered towards Indians I just dont like the way in which some of the Indians like stealth spy in this forum tries to make a feeling that india is something to be considered as far as technology is concerned