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EF is literally smoked in this department by all of the compitition....Russian IRST's (like the new one on the Mig-35) are considered better than the PIRATE. Quite honestly, apart from cool sounding acronyms (CAPTOR, PIRATE, JOUST, PIMAWAS, DASS, ACS, etc ... etc ... its never ending ) the EF's present sensor and avionics suite fails to impress.
The European MBDA Consortium has made persistent offers to integrate the Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM 80+ nautical miles range) with the Indian Air Force (IAF) Sukhoi-30MKI fighters.
A transfer of technology arrangement in relation to the Meteor BVRAAM may prove to be the optimum logical step. Subject to critical decisions, in the long run the Meteor and Astra BVRAAM may complement the Russian ultra-long-range (400-km+) R-172 BVRAAM and R-73RDM2 or possibly Israeli Python 4/5 Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range (NBVR/WVR) AAMs in the IAFs formidable and fearsome AAM inventory.
Source : AWST
France and India are discussing the integration of modular air-to-surface weapons on the Indian air force's Sukhoi Su-30MKI and MiG-29 fighter aircraft.
Sagem Defense and Security, part of the Safran Group, is discussing an agreement with India covering the Armament Air-Sol-Modulaire (AASM) range of precision-guided weapons now in development for the French air force.
A Sagem official says the company has been in talks with India for a "few months" concerning a possible AASM purchase. The French company already provides some avionics systems for India's Su-30MKIs.
Were a deal to be struck, it would not be the first time for India to integrate a foreign weapon on its Su-30MKI. New Delhi has already selected a version of the Israeli Rafael Popeye medium-range air-to-surface missile. Indian interest in the AASM also underscores a gap in Russia's own weapons inventory, which has no comparable system.
The Su-30MKI likely would carry six AASM weapons on two triple-store launchers. The MiG-29 would be fitted with 4-6 rounds. Russia would qualify the weapon, with the Ahktubinsk test center a candidate for firing trials.
Several guidance options eventually will be available for the AASM including radar and imaging infrared seekers. All variants would use an inertial measurement unit coupled with GPS, with one low-cost version using only an IMU/GPS package. The French air force is slated to start taking delivery of the first batch of AASMs in late 2006 or early 2007. It has placed an initial order for 3,000.
The AASM has a range of up to 50 km. using a high-altitude launch, with a fly-out range of 15 km. from a low-altitude release. Wing-kit and solid rocket motor range extension options are also in the pipeline. While the basic AASM kit is for a 500-lb. bomb, it could be comparatively easily modified for either 1,000- or 250-lb. munitions.
Wednesday, December 07, 2005 at 0000 hours IST
NEW DELHI, DEC 6: US-based Boeing is preparing to get a head start over its rivals in the race for the 126 medium range combat aircraft that the Indian Air Force is planning to induct.
While other foreign contenders are confused over the “offset” norms , Boeing claims it has the requisite product range and technology to meet the government’s guidelines on defence equipment procurement.
Under the new guidelines, 30% of the total cost of any deal above $70 million will be used as “offsets,” which means that the foreign vendor will have to buy defence or other specified equipment from Indian industry.
In this connection, Boeing has for the first time entered into a “dialogue” with the IAF for the innumerable options it has to offer, vice president of Boeing F/A-18 programme Chris Chadwick, told FE.
Mr Chadwick pointed out that the Hornet Industrial Team (GE, Raytheon and Northrop) are exploring different sectors of the industry including military, biotech, IT and aerospace—where there are a lot of opportunities.
Last week, Boeing had said they had very comprehensive discussions with the IAF on selling and co-producing F-18 Super Hornet fighter planes ahead of the request for proposals (RFPs) that are expected to be issued shortly.
US media reports indicate Bush administration’s clearance for possible transfer of sensitive radar technology like Raytheon AN/APG-79 AESA radar of the Super Hornet to India
: Speaking at an update on the Super Hornet, Chris Chadwick, vice-president F/A-18 Program with Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, said the US and Indian governments were holding talks over what technology could be released for the approaching competition for 126 multirole fighters.
The Block 2 includes advanced systems such as the APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array, Advanced Targeting FLIR and Multi-Functional Information Distribution System. Co-production with India is likely.
"We know they're interested in co-production and technology transfer," he said. "We're willing to entertain all these different options."
US aviation manufacturer Lockheed Martin has offered to build "exclusive" F-16 fighters for the Indian Air Force, much superior to any existing fighters in service world over.
".. we are prepared to make upgraded F-16s to India's specifications with complete transfer of technology" Mike Kelly, senior executive of Lockheed Martin.
"We are ready to develop new Block 70 for the IAF," the Lockheed Martin official said.
...The UAE is the only customer so far for the Block 60, but Lockheed is not ruling out offering the aircraft to India. “We don’t have a firm understanding of the requirement yet, but we will offer a couple of different configurations with a range of capabilities up to the Block 60’s radar and systems,” says June Shrewsbury, F-16 programme general manager.
Lockheed Martin is flight testing the next step in capability for the F-16E/F Block 60 fighter. While the expanded Standard 2 capability is being flight tested, the final Standard 3 is in design. “Development is on course,” says
Standard 2 adds capability, including the internal forward-looking infrared and targeting system, integrated electronic warfare system, additional modes for the APG-80 active-array radar and automated modes for the digital flight control system.
“Standard 2 and 3 are for the most part software only,” says Franks, “although there is additional alternate mission equipment and weapons at Standard 3.” The final standard also includes additional automated modes. “We are developing and flight testing Standard 2, and in the middle of designing Standard 3, with the pieces coming together at the suppliers,” he says. Standard 2 will be available “in the first part of 2006”.
The potential for 126 jets is a significant program," said Tom Jurkowsky, a Lockheed spokesman. "If we don't get any more F-16 orders by 2005, we would have to take action to close the line. India is a market we want to pursue."
The F-16 is a compact, multirole fighter aircraft designed to be highly maneuverable in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack. There are several versions of the F-16 used by the United States, including the Block 40 and Block 50.
The Block 40 F-16 primary mission fills the air-to-surface attack role, while the Block 50’s primary mission is destruction and suppression of enemy air defenses.
The M4.2-plus avionics upgrade combines both combat roles into a single fighter aircraft. The upgrade is being completed using spiral development, meaning all program stakeholders, including developmental testers, contractors and operational units work together early in the process to ensure testing is conducted more efficiently. This helps align operational objectives and is geared toward providing mature, stable systems to the warfighter as quickly as possible.
"The M4.2-plus upgrade achieves the goal of the Air Force's F-16 Common Configuration Implementation Program to support common aircraft equipment and core avionics software capabilities," said Shauna Urwiller, Global Power Fighters program manager from the 416th FLTS.
Maintaining that "F-16s are very much in contention", Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi today said the Government is expected to issue Request for Proposals (RFPs) to prospective parties on purchasing 126 fighter aircraft.
Asked about the possibility of F-16s bagging the deal, he said: "That possibility exists. Of course, we have asked them for information; so, it's very much in contention."
He termed the recent second Indo-US air exercise at the IAF's Kalaikunda airbase in West Bengal a "great learning process". "From military point of view, it's a great learning process; they (Americans) learnt from us and we learnt from them."
"We get to exercise with different kind of equipment..We have exercised F-16s and AWACs; that's the big advantage to India," said Air Chief Marshal Tyagi, who described F-16s as "decent aircraft",.
NEW DELHI: Armaments major Lockheed Martin, in the race to supply 126 combat jets to India, is eyeing several other opportunities to sell aircraft and hardware worth bns of dollars to the country's armed forces.
"I'm telling my colleagues in the US that there's a new opportunity here almost every day," Royce Caplinger, managing director of Lockheed Martin, told IANS.
"The Indian government's request for proposals should be issued before the end of the year and we are anxious to get on and compete. We have a team standing by and the US government is preparing as well," Caplinger said.
"The IAF has the Mirage and MiG-29 in its inventory and likes them but the F-16 represents the latest and greatest that the US has to offer. The platform may be old but the technology, weapon systems and cockpit are the latest."
"We have competed with the other fighters and we can win this bid."
Noting that the F-16 was in service with 24 countries, Caplinger said Lockheed Martin would have "no problems" with offering co-production of the jets in India. "We are trying to be pro-active about this deal and have already visited Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to look at their (production) facilities," he said.
By choosing the F-16, Caplinger said, India would also get "on the path" to the F-35 Joint Strike Fightercurrently being developed by Lockheed Martin.
Dassault warns pullout from warplane deal
6 December 2005: France’s Dassault Aviation has threatened to withdraw its bid from the proposed one-hundred-and-twenty-six multi-role combat aircraft deal unless the Indian defence ministry finalises the choice by 31 March 2006.
Blaming bureaucratic hurdles, Dassault says it would keep production lines of its aircraft offered to the IAF, the Mirage 2000-V, open for three years in case the deal goes through, otherwise, it would be inseparably committed to the French government’s joint-strike fighter programme for the air force and navy. (is that the Rafale )
Top sources said that the French government has approved Dassault’s stand, and added that without a quick decision, the aircraft price indicated in the request for proposal response would be scaled up.
In any case, the French have indicated a maximum production life of eighteen to twenty years for the Mirage 2000-V, whose technology would be entirely transferred, to meet IAF requirements, but the Indian defence ministry believes Dassault is employing pressure tactics to speed the deal, but it would be approved only in the normal course.
HAL, L&T plan JV to make aircraft parts
Mumbai, Dec 5:State-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) plans to float a joint venture company with engineering major Larsen and Toubro to make aircraft components.
"We are in discussion with L&T... They have submitted a proposal, and we are evaluating it... We want to have a memorandum of understanding first," HAL Managing Director AK Saxena said.
Both the companies plan to have a joint development of composites, parts, and components for aircraft. L&T wants to make major sub-assemblies for both airframe and aero-engines.
"A lot of orders are coming in, and we are seriously thinking about a major participation from the private sector industries, who are capable of delivering quality outputs," he said.
The Bangalore-based aircraft maker recently floated a 50:50 joint venture with French-aeroengine major Snecma for civilian aircraft engines. As per the understanding, HAL will manufacture compressor blades, while Snecma would provide forging and the machining would be done jointly, he said.
Referring to aircraft projects, Saxena said the company would commence limited series production of Intermediate Jet Trainer once they get a firm order from the Indian Air Force.
"We have already ordered for AL-551 higher-power engine from Russia. We developed two prototypes, which are undergoing operational trials," Saxena said.
Designed and developed by HAL, IJT will replace the Kiran basic jet trainer of the IAF starting from 2007-08. IJT would replace more than 200 Kiran aircraft including those 16, which forms the famed Suryakiran aerobatic team of the IAF.
"We have completed the design studies and have agreed on all other formalities. India needs about 45 MTAs and we are just waiting for a firm commitment from the Russian side," he said, adding that both the companies would start the cargo version first with a capacity to ferry 18 to 20 tonnes.
HAL plans to fly the first prototype within 26 months after getting a formal approval from the government.
IAF wants 45 of these aircraft while the Russians were looking for 60 or more. Both the companies were looking for more than 100 orders to start the project to make it commercially viable.
Official sources said the project would be finalised during the Prime Minister's ongoing Russia visit.
Originally posted by waynos
If India wanted AESA equipped Typhoons it could have them, as that is included in the 'tranche 3 standard' spec which all Typhoons will adhere to even if the tranche 3 production run itself doesn't go ahead. (no decision taken at this time)
[SIZE=3]NORA – ACTIVE ELECTRONICALLY SCANNED ARRAY[/SIZE]
Ericsson’s future airborne radar is Not Only a Radar, NORA , but also a complete electronic warfare system including jamming and data communication. The new radar will use an Active Electronically Scanned Array, AESA, built up with approximately 1000 individual transmit/receive modules. The antenna, mounted on a single-axis platform, will give well over 200 degree coverage in azimuth. NORA will offer superior performance by virtue of a number of core capabilities at Ericsson – beam agility, beam widening, multi-channel processing, target-specific waveforms and low radar cross-section.
In addtion it also offers :
-High resolution air-to-air and air-to-ground modes
-Outstanding tracking performance
-Full support for AMRAAM missiles
[SIZE=3]MIDIS – MODULAR, MULTI-FUNCTIONAL DEFENSIVE INFORMATION SYSTEM[/SIZE]
A new dimension in electronic warfare: MIDIS is a highly modular and multi-functional defensive information system that meets the requirements for situation awareness, survivability and sensor fusion in tomorrow’s dense and complex signal environment. MIDIS introduces new principles for signal selection and adaptive processing allied with state-of-the-art technology of Ericsson’s in-house integrated Microwave MultiChip Modules (MMCM).
^^A new dimension in electronic warfare: MIDIS is a highly modular and multi-functional defensive information system.
[SIZE=3]MACS – MODULAR AIRBORNE COMPUTER SYSTEMS[/SIZE]
Developed for the Gripen fourth-generation multi-role fighter, the Ericsson MACS is a standardized, highly modular multiprocessor real-time computer concept designed for severe airborne environments with their real-time applications. MACS meets all the requirements for demanding airborne situations and provides:
- High real-time performance
- Modular functionality and performance
- Low weight, volume and power consumption
- High reliability
^^Developed for the Gripen fourth-generation multi-role fighter, the Ericsson MACS is a standardized, highly modular multiprocessor real-time computer concept designed for severe airborne environments with their real-time applications.
Here's a GREAT Gripen cutaway (1.5 MB jpg file !)
Originally posted by waynos
How about answering my questions? You keep knocking the Typhoon without giving any facts whatsoever, just saying 'it doesn't seem that good' isn't really enough.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
> Captor is Mechanically Scanned and is atleast 2 generations behind behind what the rest of the competing airplanes in the MRCA have to offer
> The TVC project for the EJ200 appears suspended. Even if the project is still on, it may not enter service (after all the testing, etc) in another 7 years. The Mig-35, Su-30 MKI feature 3D and 2D TVC alredy.
> Russians claims their new IRST - OLS 32 are the best in the world .. perhaps my arguments were a bit biased as well ... i take back my words about the pirate
> The Mig-35 will have (most likely) an avionics mix of the best of Russian, French, Isreali & Indian avionics...surely this is as good as the EF's
> The weapons that France, Russia and Israel (for the Mig-35) and America ( for F-16 and 18) are offering are better than those the EF will have.
> New Russian RAM's can significantly bring down the RCS of the Mig-35 to the EF's standard (that's what the guys at Mig say atleast)
Apart from the EJ-200's supercruise and excellent metallurgy technologies, there is nothing better or revolutionary that the Eurofighter has to offer (atleast it appears to me that way right now).
In addition, the Eurofighter's price tag is unjustified with reference to what it offers in the context of the competing airplanes and their price tag's.
Lastly, the export history of the Eurofighter in Singapore, Greece is also discouraging.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
India May Buy Tu-22M3 Long-range Bombers that it has leased
Russia may offer India the purchase instead of lease of long-range Tu-22M3 bombers, an informed source in the defense industrial complex reported on Monday to Interfax-AVN.
“The corresponding offer, as is expected, will be made to India’s prime minister, Manmohan Singh, during his visit to Moscow,” he said.
According to the source, “India will be offered Tu-22M3 missile carriers from Russia’s air force existing fleet which will undergo pre-sales export preparation.”
Source: 05.12.05, Interfax
Tupolev TU-22M Backfire
Type: medium strategic bomber and maritime reconnaissance/attack aircraft
Max Speed: 1,147 kt / 1,321 mph
Max Range 4,000 km / 2,485 miles
Dimensions: span 34.30 m / 112 ft 6.5 in
length 39.60 m / 129 ft 11 in
height 10.80 m / 35 ft 5.25 in
Weight: max. take-off 130,000 kg / 286,596 lb
Powerplant: two 20000-kg (44,092-lb) afterburning thrust turbofans of unknown designation
Armament: two 23-mm GSh-23 two-barrel cannon in a radar-controlled tail barbette; provision for 12000 kg (26,455 Ib) of disposable stores, including nuclear weapons and free-fall bombs carried internally, or two AS-4 'Kitchen' missiles carried under the wings, or one AS-4 'Kitchen' missile carried semi-recessed into the lower fuselage, or up to three AS-6
Operators: India(2006), Russia, Ukraine
PAVEDNIKI (Moscow Region), December 7 (RIA Novosti) - India has not yet replied to Russia's proposal to sell the Tu-22-M3E Russian bomber, Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said Wednesday.
"The Indian side has not provided a reply since we made the proposal a day ago," Ivanov, who is also Russia's defense minister, told journalists.
Russia proposed that India buy the planes instead of leasing them. "Leasing won't work due to a number of technicalities," Ivanov said.
India and Russia have a long history of military cooperation. The two countries are currently working on contracts worth $10 billion. Notable deals in recent years include a contract for the modernization and sale of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier and deals on Sukhoi fighters and the T-90 battle tank.
In Tuesday's bilateral talks with President Vladimir Putin, the Indian prime minister said that the two countries were considering plans to build a multi-purpose transport plane and a fifth-generation fighter.
Originally posted by waynos
Why 2 generations?
Clearly AESA types are more modern and more advanced, but that is only the actual scanner itself, the rest of the radar is no different on either type and I've not seen anything that says the technology of this radar is behind any other, much less '2 generations'. Particularly in the field of range, multiple target scanning and tracking, target prioritising etc.
An Active Electronically Steered Array (AESA) takes the concept of using an array antenna a step further. Instead of shifting the phase of signals from a single high power transmitter AESA employs a grid of hundreds of small "transmitter-receiver (TR)" modules that are linked together by high-speed processors.
Each TR module has its own transmitter, receiver, processing power, and a small spikelike radiator antenna on top. The TR module can be programmed to act as a transmitter, receiver, or radar. The TR modules in the AESA system can all work together to create a powerful radar, but they can do different tasks in parallel, with some operating together as a radar warning receiver, others operating together as a jammer, and the rest operating as a radar. TR modules can be reassigned to any role, with output power or receiver sensitivity of any one of the "subsystems" defined by such temporary associations proportional to the number of modules.
AESA provides 10-30 times more net radar capability plus significant advantages in the areas of range resolution, countermeasure resistance and flexibility. In addition, it supports high reliability / low maintenance goals, which translate into lower lifecycle costs. Since the power supplies, final power amplification and input receive amplification, are distributed, MTBF is significantly higher, 10-100 times, than that of a passive ESA or mechanical array. This results in higher system readiness and significant savings in terms of life cycle cost of a weapon system, especially a fighter.
The use of multiple TR modules also means failure of up to 10% of the TR modules in an AESA will not cause the loss of the antenna function, but merely degrade its performance. From a reliability and support perspective, this graceful degradation effect is invaluable. A radar which has lost several TR modules can continue to be operated until scheduled downtime is organized to swap the antenna.
That is a fair point about the Russian fighters, but again I have seen no indication that the EJ200TVC development has been suspended. Besides exactly how relevant might that technology actually be in the face of 'off boresight' missiles and helmet mounted sights, where turning the plane itself is not such a big deal?
Maybe it is, but even so, that doesn't make the Typhoons set up 'bad' or 'poor' does it? That sounds like 'if its not absolutely the best then it must be rubbish' when surely the worst you could say of it would really be that it 'is not a decisive factor'. However whether the rival systems are better, worse or as good can surely only be guesswork for us?
Again, How do you know this? There is no US equivalent of the Meteor yet (though one is to be developed), the AIM9X is no 'better' than the ASRAAM, in its early guise the Typhoon uses US supplied AIM-120''s until the Meteor is ready.
ALARM? Storm Shadow? I suggest you think again.
So the Russians are aiming to get where the Typhoon is now? That makes them better? The RAF applied RAM to the Tornado fifteen years ago, things move on.
So that fact that is has some things that the competition don't have doesn't count in its favour, while the things they offer that the Typhoon is getting too makes them superior?
You can't seriously take Singapore and Greece inro consideration here as they were both political decisions and not related to aircraft performance at all.
Originally posted by waynos
I guess these would replace Sea Harriers, yes?
So its the Typhoon that playing catch-up ! AESA, TVC, etc getting onto the Typhoon are only distant plans ... while the rest have it right now...that does make them superior.
Originally posted by waynos
You say there is no equivalent to the R-172 ramject powered super BVRAAM, well, I don't knoe the specifics of this missile but you do realise that the Meteor is a ramjet powered BVRAAM don't you?
One tack you use is confusing me, you say that the Typhoons weapons are inferior but when I named them you simply say India could buy them anyway. I'm sure India could, but that doesn't change the fact that they are Typhoon weapons.
I don't doubt that the weapons offered by France, Russia and the USA are superb at what they do, but there is nothing to say they are better than anything the Typhoon might carry, whereas you say they are inferior. That is my only objection here.
And yet what about the stuff that Typhoon has that none of the opposition has? Again you simply disregard all this.
Clearly you don't particularly want the Typhoon for India, and that is fine.