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Originally posted by Daedalus3
Yeah more info on the I-2000 would be appreciated. Couldn't get much on google
Originally posted by chinawhite
Maybe its got something to do with maturity and your social standards
I missed this one. What will india contribute to this again?. ......$$$
April 03, 2006 By Indo Asian News Service
Aviation major Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has begun work on two major projects to roll out a multi-role transport aircraft and a multi-role helicopter for the military.
'The multi-role transport aircraft (MTA) is being designed and developed with Irkut Corporation of Russia for the Indian and Russian air forces. The aircraft is intended to replace the ageing AN-32 transport fleet of the Indian Air Force (IAF). The 15-20-tonne capacity MTA can also be converted into a 100-seat passenger aircraft for civilian use.,' the defence public sector behemoth said in a statement issued Monday.
The aerospace major has also set the ball rolling to manufacture a 10-tonne multi-role helicopter in collaboration with an overseas firm. HAL, however, did not name its partner. The rotorcraft is intended to replace the ageing British-built Sea King helicopter fleet of the Indian Navy. Company officials hinted Bell Helicopter of the US and Eurocopter were in the race to partner with HAL in the project to design and develop the heavy-duty helicopter.
During fiscal 2005-06, HAL spent Rs.4.13 billion on research and development, including preliminary work on the light combat helicopter (LCH). This is an upgraded version of its 5.5-tonne advanced light helicopter (ALH), christened Dhruv. The LCH will be inducted into the IAF.
Meanwhile, the Bangalore-based company has reported a provisional sales turnover of Rs.53.75 billion ($1.2 billion) for fiscal 2005-06, registering a growth of 18.5 percent over the last fiscal. Exports accounted for Rs.1.85 billion. For the new fiscal, HAL has firmed up export contracts to the tune of Rs.2.5 billion.
Mikhailov reveals the air force is also considering backing the development of “a lighter aircraft with the same avionics and engine, but with one engine rather than two”. The lightweight variant would be cheaper to acquire, could fly from shorter airfields and carry four missiles against the T-50’s maximum of 12, he says. The proposal is linked to an Indian requirement for a new fighter in the 20-25t class.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Yeah illegal copying ... now dont tell me you dont have any knodwledge about it
A quick look at some previous pages would give anyone an idea about who really is "snickering".
characteristic rants, personal attacks and name calling ?
Although the Indian aviation industry is clearly not as advanced as the Russian or French one, there have been some impressive developments lately (which you are aware of i would assume) and there is every reason tp believe that there would be significant technical contributions as well.
Originally posted by Daedalus3
In terms of Indian technical inputs he's talking about the avionics and onboard electronics/software. That's definitely not out of synch with the latest technologies around the world.
And in terms of copying, the J-6 and the J-7 were legally exported to other countries (Pakistan) with Russia's/USSR's consent? I don't think so.
The a/c in the IAF today are more than capable of taking care of those PAF/PLAAF orbats you described.
They'll have to reduce the F 16 number if they're going to buy J-10s.
Defence analysts here attach significance to Pakistan seeking F-16s with AMRAAM Missile capability as the missile system is considered to be medium BVR category with ability to hit a target beyond 60 km range. BVRs are considered to be most advanced missiles which Pakistan Air Force (PAF) so far does not have and is trying to acquire.
It was, however, not clear whether the sale of F-16s with capability to fire AMRAAM missiles would also include the supply of the missiles themselves. US initially proposed to sell 24 F-16s, each costing around USD 40 million and PAF wanted to buy 70 planes.
PAF's plight was exposed during the Pakistan army's incursion into the Kargil sector of Indian Kashmir in the summer of 1999. Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan army, angering the latter. While PAF fighters did fly Combat Air Patrols (CAP) during the conflict, they stayed well within Pakistani air space. On occasions, IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR Air-to-Air missiles were able to lock on to PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.
Originally posted by chinawhite
The PRC did not need concent because the USSR had nothing like patents for its designs, The PRC was a fellow communist nation and giving the plane to it was like arming another friend in the fight againest capitalism. Unlike india, china was a communist nation and was treated like a warsaw pact nation with technology during the 50s. China still even got planes from rumania after the spilt. Giving it to india was like giving it to a different country, a different system.
The Mikoyan company and the Sukhoi company were state owned enterprises and were not given life to make profit, again communist state. But were only existant to provide arms for the soviet army. Hence did not license out prodcution liceases let alone claim some rolaty. Mr Kalashnikov did not get a dime from the soviet government. So letting the PRC export planes did not effect the soviet industry because they were not out to win the export market but to serve the soviet army. Royalities are a western creation.
You need to understand communism to understand why
and remember the friendship pact? this included military and economic aid. the Mig-21 and T-54 were part of the package. And mind you, it wasn't for free.
The J-7A/B/C/D were all copies of the Mig-21. The J-7E was a evolution of the design. During the years when china was reverse engineering the MIg-21 given to it by russia it had to re-design a good deal of the parts because china did not have the machine tools then copy them so a lot of parts were redesigned. the original one the J-7I was a failure because it was a stragith copy but the J-7II or J-7B was modilfed using different parts. The J-7E is not a copy of any mig-21 variant but evoled from the J-7E. This is the type of soviet production.
I think planeman might know more history on the project than i do
Originally posted by Daedalus3They cannot hope to engage their Air Force in a battle to attain air superiority because of the sheer lack of theatre awareness. The 8 AWACS a/c with the PAF you talk of are not showing up on any google searches exept vague references of 'possible' purchases of the ERIEYE/AEW systems from Sweden or the chinese AWACS.
As of Today PAF has a non-existant BVR capability:
The best China can give/has is the SD 10/PL 12 and that has a rumored max range of 60km-70km (AIM-120A)class. IT is supposed to enter service anywhere between 2005-08. The Adder still outperforms the SD 10 with respect to range.
Best I could dig up were the Grifo S7 possibly for the FC-1 with a search range of ~80km
The MiG 29s have the Phazotron Zhuk-M radar.(~245km search range)The Su 30MKIs have the the N-011 radars which have a search range of 350km and hence can act a mini relay AWACS themselves.
Su 30 MKIs are currently at 60+ with an eventual figure of 200 a/c.
Moscow, Feb. 3 (PTI): Belarus is going to seal an estimated $300-million deal with India for 18 second-hand Sukhoi Su-30K fighters to modernise its air force.
According to the financial daily Vedomosti, the fighters with limited capabilities were supplied to the Indian Air Force in 1997-98 at the initial stage of the $4.9-billion Sukhoi deal for the development of a multi-role Su-30 MKI, tailored for its specific requirements.
The cash-strapped former Soviet republic would modernise the Su-30K jets to the Su-30KN at its facilities with the help of Russkaya Avionika (Russian Avionics), a subsidiary of the original manufacturer, Irkut Corporation.
Originally posted by Daedalus3
The recent Earthquake last year has had them diverting funds initiallly allocated for military expenditures.
Infact due to poor maintenance and lack of infrastructure the PAF is speculated to only have an actual operational strength of 50% to 60% of its total a/c count.
Originally posted by Daedalus3
How can you claim that giving F-6s and F-7s to Pakistan was an act of giving stuff to a Friendly communist ally to fight against Capitalist nations?
In March the "Tejas" completed its 500th flight test. Flying at Mach 1.4 and capable of carrying weapons on seven hard points, the Tejas is the flagship in India's long struggle to develop an indigenous light fighter aircraft. But while the technology represents a major achievement for India's aviation industry, questions remain whether the effort is worth the money that is being poured into it.
It is by no means certain that even the Indian Air Force, which needs to replace its aging fleet of Russian-made MiG-21s, will buy the plane over the several other light fighters it could obtain from abroad. Nor are export prospects certain given the glut of superior US, French, Swedish and other light fighter aircraft now on the world's armaments market.
The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) program began in 1983 out of the rising need to replace the MiG-21s, which even then were becoming obsolete but still constituted the most numerous type of aircraft in the Indian Air Force's inventory. By 1990, the design for a new plane was finalized, with the aircraft adopting a cranked delta wing and tailless configuration powered by a single turbofan engine.
Five years later the designated manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautical (HAL), unveiled two prototypes. However, because of difficulties with its flight-control system, the aircraft's first test flight was delayed another five years, until January 2001. Since then, two more prototypes have been produced, with a naval variant currently undergoing development.
Deciding to keep its deep penetration strike aircraft Jaguar assembly lines open, the Cabinet Committee on Security(CCS) today gave the nod to manufacture of 20 more upgraded version of the planes by Hindustan Aeronautics limited.
Jaguars, which are being utilized by the Air Force for deeper interdiction as well as for maritime role, would be built at a cost of Rs 2,340 crores, Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told newsmen after a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security held for the second day in succession.
The meeting, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan singh and attended by Home Minister Shivraj Patil, Finance Minister P Chidambaram besides Mukherjee, also gave sanction to full scale development of 20 Tejas Light Combat Aircraft at the HAL at a cost of Rs 2,439 crores.
The CCS also gave approval for manfucature of Five Inland Patrol vessels for the Coast Guard at a cost of Rs 235 crores at the Hindustan Shipyard Limited.
NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force (IAF) is set to retire the last of its secret planes next month. The IAF is now looking for a suitable resting place for the four MiG-25 planes, one of the two planes in the world that could fly at stratospheric levels to take photographs of quality.
So possessive was the IAF about these planes that the first indication of what they looked like in Indian colours came from a postal stamp, over a decade after their acquisition.
The planes are known to have flown over China, Pakistan and other countries to take stock of their military preparations but returned undetected after conducting sorties at an altitude of 25 km. However, one flight over Pakistan in 1997 led to tensions with Islamabad claiming that the MiG-25 deliberately gave out its signature to underline the absence of a plane of similar capability with it.
A former Trisonics squadron commander A. Mukherjee said: "We now have better reconnaissance platforms as well as access to satellite imagery to enhance both battlefield transparency and situational awareness." Apart from satellite imagery, the IAF now has unmanned aerial vehicles and aerostat radars.
Russia walks out of plane project with Ukraine in favour of India
Moscow, Apr 07: Russia today said it was walking out of a joint programme with Ukraine to develop a military transport aircraft in favour of a similar project with India.
Russia has refused to further participate with Ukraine in the `AN-70` aircraft programme, Air Chief Gen Vladimir Mikhailov announced. "As declared by vice-premier and Defence Minister of the Russian federation, AN-70 transport aircraft in the course of its development has turned out to be of heavier class, but in this category we already have a better transport plane, Ilyushin IL-76.
"There is no sense in continuing this programme. We are already developing our medium aircraft jointly with India, that`s why we will not further continue AN-70 programme," he was quoted as saying by Itar-Tass News Agency. In June 2001, India`s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Russia`s Irkut Corporation, Rosoboronexport Corporation and Ilyushin Aviation Complex signed an agreement for the joint development, production and sales of twin-turbofan tactical transport aircraft (TTA) with up to 18.5 metric tonne capability. Sources in Irkut Corp said the feasibility study is mostly completed and leading aircraft design bureau Yakovlev has also joined the programme.
The two countries are expected to sign an inter- governmental agreement in may to operationalise the joint project as the main road block of intellectual property right has been removed with the signing of a pact during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh`s Moscow visit in December last.
Prototype manufacturing and tests for the tactical transport aircraft are scheduled for this year, with maiden flight to be performed in 2007. It is planned to enter service in 2009. By 2015-2020, TTA is expected to replace aging fleet of the Antonov AN-12, AN-26, C-130 in India, Russia and other countries.
Indian Air Force is said to be interested in acquiring 45 tactical transport aircraft. Russian market will also demand nearly 100 transport aircraft within next 12 years.
For the first time, the airlifter is being co-developed by both countries on a parity basis without governmental financing, with the project cost of nearly USD 300-400 mn. The Irkut Corporation is playing a key role of major investor (40 per cent of project expenses) and coordinator from the Russian side.
MOSCOW: The nuclear deal signed during US President George W Bush's India visit in March is linked to the acquisition of 126 American F-16/F-18 fighter jets for the Indian Air Force in Washington's bid to squeeze Moscow out of the Indian arms market, an influential Russian daily reported.
The United States and India exchanged ‘letters of intent’ concerning American companies' participation in the race for selling New Delhi 126 medium/light fighters, 'Nezavisimaya Gazeta' claimed.
“The US-Indian nuclear agreement signed in the course of the visit was described as historic in the US because it essentially comes down to recognition of India's nuclear status by the United States. We know now that there was more to the historical nature of the document. It opened the door to the Indian market for American arms merchants," Nezavisimaya Gazeta says adding, the US is poised to squeeze Russia out of the Indian arms market.
Within months of a new Indo-US defence framework coming into force, US companies are poised to make their first biggest direct military sales to India with Textron's Bell 407 Shen helicopter being shortlisted for an Army project to buy 197 light utility helicopters. While attention has been riveted on major mega deals like purchase of 126 Medium Combat Fighters and sale of submarines and Radars, Textron Bell 407 has completed its technical trials - winter trials in Ladakh region in 2004 and summer trials in Pokhran in 2005 - and is currently undergoing general staff evaluation.
To give filip to its Aviation wing, Army is proposing to purchase 197 helicopters in a deal worth 500 to 600 million US dollars (about Rs 26.40 billion). Of this 60 will be bought outright and the remaining 137 co-produced under licence by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.
The helicopters will replace the Army Aviation Wings' ageing fleet of 180 to 190 Chetaks (French Allouette II) and Cheetahs (Alloutte III'S), some of which are being upgraded to the Chetan and Cheetal configuration.
Pakistan’s cabinet on Wednesday gave clearance to the purchase of up to 77 F-16 fighter planes from the US, marking a significant expansion for the country’s air force.
The Pakistani government did not reveal the price it would pay for the deal, nor did it say when the aircraft would be delivered. But according to western diplomats in Islamabad, the F-16s could cost Pakistan U$3-3.5bn.
While announcing the cabinet’s agreement to the F-16 purchase, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, Pakistan’s information minister, revealed that the cabinet had also given approval for the purchase of an unspecified number of Chinese fighter aircraft known as FC-10s.
Last November, General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s military ruler, suspended plans for the purchase of new fighter aircraft. Pakistan was then concerned that donors eager to help deal with the aftermath of a devastating earthquake would pull out if the country planned to spend money on planes. Pakistan was seeking more than U$6bn in international aid for relief and reconstruction work. Foreign donors have now offered about $6.2bn.