PTS: What can we do to get you?

There is a very difference between politics and conspiracies in politics.

And, by the way, Free Jim

I assure you, while it might be sometimes nothing more than a nuance, there is a difference, and conspiracies in politics forum is needed in ATS.
This does not take away from the strictly political domain of PTS.

[edit on 27-11-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
You can't lure me there.

And this is a shame. I have never seen someone bitch-slap ignorance back into the abyss like you do. One word from TC and its done, fight over, nothing to see here folks. Thankfully, you usually wait until we make complete jerks of ourselves, and we appreciate that, it keeps us humble (memento mori.)

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
There is a very difference between politics and conspiracies in politics.

However if this difference is not going to be enforced the existence of Political Conspiracies undermines the effort put into PTS, no?

Pistol Pete's point about more need for separate forums on ATS than PTS is sound, and I agree, sort of. It's not really that there is a need for more subforums on a few subjects on ATS as that there are simply more different subjects there.

To overstate the case a bit to make my point-- it could be said that "politics" is a subject comparable to, say, cryptozoology. That is-- there aren't separate forums for "EU cryptozoology" and "UK cryptozoology" and "US cryptozoology" and "liberal cryptozoology" and "conservative cryptozoology" and so on.

I think there is a potential need for breaking the political forums up to some degree, but I think there are definitely too many separate ones now, and I still think that the separate forums would work better as subforums of one main one, although I'm not entirely certain of that approach either. I do know that the most interesting boards are (up to a point) the ones with lots of posters and lots of activity.

I've seen too many message board communities with long lists of separate forums, some of which haven't actually been posted to in months or even years. Those boards begin to seem like ghost towns-- the longer a board goes without a post, the less likely it is that anyone will even look at it, much less post on it. I've long thought that the proper way to build a message board community would be to start with a single board for a particular subject ("politics" for instance), then to add new boards ONLY as it becomes apparent that that subject is popular enough to support its own board.



[edit on 27-11-2005 by Bob LaoTse]

To be honest, Scout, I haven't wandered into poli-con in a while. What I can say is that, in poli-con, as with the rest of ATS, you can get smacked with the Michael Moore avatar if you get political (Dem-Rep sniping, rhetoric slinging, etc.), whereas in PTS, such activity is expected from the political sports enthusiasts. Unless I pick up a handful of rhetoric and sling it, of course. At that time, I become the abusive staff member!

IMH the best way to bring new members to PTS would be to abolish the concept of political ideologies. After all terms such as Liberal are relative to a persons thinking. When you take away political ideologies you deal with cold hard facts.

Thank you everyone for taking the time to post in this thread, the more I know about your feelings and PTS the more I can work towards making it better for the whole community.

I would quickly, just like to reply to xpert11.

What you raise is something else, I actually agree with at the moment but not to such an extent. I think the forums need to be re-worked, although the discussion of the 'Liberal Agenda' as well as 'Conservative' Agenda is good, we are actually missing out a system to discuss the merits of economic systems except Socialism. To me it puzzles me as to why there is no forum to discuss Capitalism and the political ideology behind that.

xpert11,
Ok, you are aware of the fact that we are discussing politics at PTS, right?
Labels are a part of politics. In politics, we all know what the labels mean, and we all know what labels we wear.

That is, those who are into this particular sport. You must be a novice. Stay out of the arena; th elions will have you for a snack!




[edit on 27-11-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

Edited for board sanity and security reasons.

(Yeah, I realize the irony of that statement coming from this administrator. Bite me!)

[edit on 27-11-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

I think PTS is too little for this, Odium
edit: If all new posts from ATS, PTS and BTS could show up just by a click on (without switching from ATS to PTS or BTS) , more members would see interesting threads within PTS and add their opinons.



[edit on 27-11-2005 by Riwka]

You know, I really think that PTS is something that will not pick up too much until the next major American election year. Just wait and see if the antichrist...er...I mean Hillary runs for POTUS; you wont be able to keep up with PTS when that happens. Until then, I think you have your hands full trying to get members into PTS.


Are we in danger of loosing PTS if it doesn’t start getting more activity?

Labels are apart of politics?
Why? because I called you (enter desired name .)
Surely by that logic if the school bully called you a dork , you must be a dork without question.

We know two things ideologies divied humanity and that the concept of ideologies gose against the sprilt of ATS.
I know Im going here it cant be done but imagn if the founders of ATS said "we cant create a quality site because the status que cant be changed."
Why place limted on what the members of PTS can achieve ?

Originally posted by xpert11
the concept of ideologies gose against the sprilt of ATS.

And fits right into the spirt of PTS.

Originally posted by cavscout
And fits right into the spirt of PTS.

PTS is apart a branch of ATS. The subject matter may be differnt but the goal of "deny ignorance" should be the same. Letting out thinking or the status que get in the way of achieving the stated goal is foolish.

So just what are you suggesting, xpert11? You want to due away with PTS and create a fact sheet? Do you have all the answers to the world’s political debates?

What is this fear of labels that you have? Does it stem from being part of a dumbed-down, mommyfied, panty-wearing, bed wetting, leftist commie pinko, politically correct, Ritalin poppin, sniveling, pathetic, un-American, live and let be, disagreement-is-hate modern culture (how was that for a label)?

You can’t talk politics without the labels! State a solution or stop whining. Get over it or get out.

Originally posted by Odium
Edited for board sanity and security reasons.

(Yeah, I realize the irony of that statement coming from this administrator. Bite me!)

Holiday Irony.

(In)Dentured Monkeys, not just for biting anymore...

Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
There is a very difference between politics and conspiracies in politics.

However if this difference is not going to be enforced the existence of Political Conspiracies undermines the effort put into PTS, no?

Political Conspiracies needs to be in ATS with all the other conspircy forums.

There is a fine line between the two (Pol Conspiriacies and PTS topics) and we mods do the best we can. It doesn't mean ATS Pol Consp should be sent to PTS
As a Pol Consp mod, I do try to send the appropriate threads to PTS.
It seems a u2u to a forum mod (you can see which mod belongs to which forum here...or a submission to the compliants.

Okay, the only big change I can think of is a separate forum for Canadian Politics. We have many Canadian members and I think there is enough interest to warrant a separate forum...instead of lumping them into Other Global Politics.

Other than that, I think most areas are fairly represented in PTS.

I think PTS needs more member to post.
But, I believe there is going to me a new page coming that will have ATS, PTS and BTS new posts:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
That may get more readership...and more posts.

So, basically, we need more members. We can all agree on that?

How do you think we should go about to target ATS members to visit PTS?

Originally posted by Odium
How do you think we should go about to target ATS members to visit PTS?

Advertising. Banners and such may help.
Really it all comes down to the community's interest. If the people are simply not interested in politics than that is all there is to it. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.