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What if Masonry is just the scape goat?

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posted on Dec, 2 2005 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by RAF
International Masonic Directory

masons.start4all.com...

The DOORWAY to a wider view of freemasons worldwide



Yup. And as a Freemason I've posted that link many times before here on ATS.
Day before yesterday was the last time.




posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 03:57 AM
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I'd like to point out the ridiculous misquotes by our mates with one rolled-up trouser leg such as drugging my dog, Eastern Star ladies in Bangkok, Stolen M & Ms, exploding toilets etc...are all BS that they themselves have posted...not me.
The motorcycle vandalism is correct though, along a lot of other petty vandalism and harassment, but why do they feel the need to blatantly lie and carry on about the other things?

hmmmm...does anyone know the medical term for "Pathological Liar?"



posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 04:31 AM
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Are your sure it's just the evil freemasons going on about it...?


Originally posted by MrNECROS
I've had 3 years of constant harassment out of these people, it would be hard to say anything nice about a bunch of wackos who lurk in the shadows until they have you drugged senseless and outnumbered 20 to 1 before going in for the kill...on your toilet.



Originally posted by MrNECROS
You manipulate their perception and information on the individual so that our new superduperspecialagent thinks "This guy is really stupid/evil/ignorant etc...I'll teach him a lesson and break into his house and vandalise his toilet" or some other equally pointless exercise (This has happened, ridiculous but true.)



Originally posted by MrNECROS
As for my own personal experiences with Freemasonry:
They drug you
They steal from you (sometimes they put the things back much later on, but not always.)
If they want something (like your girlfriend) they will do anything to get it because they "deserve it" even if they are incapable of obtaining it in any case.
They are pathological liars - i.e. do not know the difference between fact and fantasy, as long as everyone agrees then its right.
They are craven cowards, they will sit in front of you any deny their afilliation until the cows come home and won't ever do anything to you unless they have you grossly outnumbered.
If you say you don't want to join and you work for a Mason boss he will go to great lengths to dismiss you regardless of your proficiency, you will be overlooked for all promotion and be given the least rewarding tasks in the company etc...
They vandalise your property (car, motorcycle, toilet...)
They steal your mail.
They interfere with every part of your daily life they can....and if they can't get to you directly they will go after your friends and family.



Originally posted by MrNECROS
Brainwashing incidentally is used to make people do what you want them to by making them believe they want it for themselves, like charging a machine-gun nest or breaking into a private residence to vandalise a toilet.



Originally posted by MrNECROS
To explain the overall philosophy of Freemasonry - Unity through Opposition.
They need to create imaginary enemies so they can give all their "Walter Mitty" types special secret missions to do, breaking in and vandalising my toilet was not about attacking the great porcelin god, it was to create a group exercise that can occupy dozens even hundreds of zombies so they can feel that they have achieved something that they couldn't through any other means.



posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 04:36 AM
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Oh my god!!!
Trinityman, I'm glad somebody else had the patience to go back and look through Necros' posts.
I don't think I could have handled it myself. I was crying enough when I read his post.


His post denying his own words shold be stickied for all eternity. In fact this thread should be renamed -

The Classic Comedy of MrNecros



posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Leveller
Oh my god!!!
Trinityman, I'm glad somebody else had the patience to go back and look through Necros' posts.



Oh, let's not forget the doggie laxatives and being forced to watch horrible movies (I guess they pinned his eyelids open, huh?) I think THAT'S what scared him into moving all the way to Thailand, otherwise he'd have just remodeled his toilet and put better locks on his doors



posted on 28-2-2005 at 08:51 PM Post Number: 1207129 (post id: 1229022)by MrNecros
This is quite spooky - I'm sure several of the regular noise makers will take the opportunity to start the usual tirade of insults and slurs at me but there are large elements in the article I have read so far that match the process that was attempted on me by The Freemasons, particularly the use of drugs and "Illuminist films."
The selection of films is quite broad and they will tie in films from genres you like, in my case Luc Besson's "The Big Blue" and "The 5th Element" were notable, along with "Dungeons & Dragons", "Ghost Dog", "Gattica" and "Three Kings."
They get you to focus on parts that relate to elements in other the films and ultimately their actual rituals which gets you into the process of forever seeking knowledge from the one source, you’re constantly overloaded with conflicting stimuli from all sorts of external sources so over time you are expected to "trust" information that comes from the single source while you “Wow out to the pretty colours...”
The drugs they use on you are some seriously “freaky sh*t” – my treating psychiatrist determined them to be predominantly in the Benzodiazepine group and the toxicology report confirmed this.
I see this “ultimate truth” behavior in the “slaves” that bother me on a regular basis even here in Thailand, arguably they are harmless, but only because the cult is so weak over here; stealing my mail, vandalizing my motorcycle and feeding laxatives to my dog seem to be all they can muster up these days.










[edit on 3-12-2005 by senrak]



posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 10:07 AM
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I'm glad to see everyone enjoying themselves in this thread but I recommend everyone STOP using MrNECROS posts as the focus.

This is a conspiracy site...we discuss conspiracies here....PERIOD.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 10:02 AM
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I'm glad to see everyone enjoying themselves in this thread but I recommend everyone STOP using MrNECROS posts as the focus.





This is a conspiracy site...we discuss conspiracies here....PERIOD


But Necros is a perpetual conspiracy, to poison his dog, to follow and harras
him through 3 continents, to blow up his toilet ( so would say while occupied)
and these are just the high points . Im sure that use of the search feature
would reveal many more points for discussion. strictly on a conspiracy level
of course.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
I'm glad to see everyone enjoying themselves in this thread but I recommend everyone STOP using MrNECROS posts as the focus.

This is a conspiracy site...we discuss conspiracies here....PERIOD.


And I get a slap on the wrist for a one line response. (Incidentally I didn't make a one line response).

Secondly, you're absolutely right KL, this is a conspiracy site, but it's also not a make up any old crap and post it site. It's also (last time I looked) aganist board policy to knowingly post lies.

It's sheer, utter, total hypocrisy to penalise others when the main culprit gets away scot free.
Normally, I take my warns on the chin and have the utmost respect for the moderators here. In three years, I've never had cause to complain.
But this is beyond a joke.

You don't want Necros' points as a focus? Then why let him get clean away with making those points even though it's plainly evident that he is a liar?
I don't normally (in fact never) make claims of bias from moderators, but this time I'm left sorely wondering.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 12:58 PM
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If you are anyone else has a problem or doesn't agree please use the help/idea function to file a complaint. Lets keep it out of this thread.

Thank You...



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
If you are anyone else has a problem or doesn't agree please use the help/idea function to file a complaint. Lets keep it out of this thread.

Thank You...


So what you are basically saying is that some guy can spout LIES and if I want to complain about it I've got to do so in private!!!????

That's total and utter BS.

You don't like the humourous approach to Necros' lies? What did you want from the refuting posters? To react as any normal person would and flame him as the lying scumbag that he is? Isn't that against board policy also? You want me to post quiet little U2Us out of sight of other people as if I'm the guilty party?

No way. The dude needed calling out and if you don't like it - Tough.


I don't care if I get a warn for that. Hell, I can even live with being banned. But if you want to silence me for telling the Truth then the motto "Deny Ignorance" is utterly worthless.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 01:44 PM
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You have voted Leveller for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


It seems as though the powers that be would rather ignorance dominate this particular section of the board; to vanquish it would put an end to this particular forum. All the incidents that could be construed as "Masonic Conspiracy" have been covered so many times that anyone coming here with a legitimate question or comment on them is immediately shot down by several members or admin hollering "Search! Search! For the love of Moon Pies, use the search function!!!"

What people don't seem to realize is that if the truth about Masonry gets out, there will be no more "Secret Societies" board. What constitutes most of the banter on this board? Masons or Masonry. Period. There have been numerous attempts to discuss other groups, or to discuss Masonry in a different frame of reference (the latter being started by myself on more than one occasion), but when it comes down to brass tacks, debunking the claims against Masonry seems to be "bad for buisness."

That's a small part of the reason I haven't been around in a while; been lurking rather than posting.

As far as joking about Necros? How can you not?!

Regards,

Axe

[edit on 12/4/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 01:54 PM
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Oh please Leveller.

What's the point? This is a conspiracy site...we discuss conspiracies.

Every time a conspiracy is posted in the Secret Societies forum the poster is dog piled by certain members that happen to belong to the same group. They are hell bent on defending the "faith" so much so that all conspiracy related threads on ATS in the SS forum become a masonic get together to lynch anyone that says anything controversial about their group. We are not a masonic lodge, we are a conspiracy related discussion board.

What's my problem....the dog pile and attempted suppression of controversial ideas.

You say someone is posting lies, well...says you.

Final word...

No more dog piles

No more attempted suppression of controversial ideas

No more masonic lodge on ATS



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:04 PM
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What a load of crap.
The board has really gone downhill if people with your attitude can be made moderators.

Look at your own words - "This is a conspiracy forum".
You're damn right it's a conspiracy forum. That's why I'm here. I post in every forum. Like to tell me which other forums your pal Necros has posted in?

It's a conspiracy forum. Not a forum of lies. So you don't like it when people refute lies? You turn a blind eye and penalise others when a liar gets caught red-handed?

I agree this isn't a Lodge. Nobody but the blinkered has ever suggested that it is. I'm sure people like you would like all the Freemasons in this forum to disappear but you really are implying ignorance is the best way forward. All conspiracies need balance - I've learnt that over time here. Just because you personally don't like one side of the balance does not mean that it should not be there.

And what is a conspiracy? Is it a barefaced lie? Is it hell. Conspiracy needs two sides of the coin - otherwise it's unchecked fact. You want to silence people like me and you're welcoming the liars, the cheats, the agendaists, the scum who just want to cast apersions at other people because they are different. Conspiracies that can be discussed drown in a sea of blatant crap.

Get off your high horse. Just because somebody has been found lying and gets put straight, why should they become a martyr?
Justify to me, why I should be silenced and why somebody who lies should be listened to?

By the way. "Says I" that somebody has posted lies? You haven't even bothered reading this thread have you? If you had you can see that I say nothing other than to throw Necros' own words back at him. He has been caught red-handed. You can't see that? More fool you.



[edit on 4-12-2005 by Leveller]



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:08 PM
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Excellent Leveller, thanks for your opinion.


Now lets get back on topic please.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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I can see how some might think that the whole baord revolves around their little boys' club, but I assure you, it does not.
The reason some would think that is because they never venture beyond this one forum on this very large board. They never venture out because they are here only to guard against any possible theory about their beloved boys' club.

As I have stated before, I see no evidence that the Masons have any desire to take over the world. Oh, I have read some really way-out stuff, but nobody has explained how the boys' club works to get the job done. The boys at work don't seem to have any chain of command that I can see.

No, call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I think there might be something else going on. I think that the real bad guys might want people to eyeball the Masons so the real bad guys can move around more easily. That's what I think.

Still, this ain't no virtual lodge. Go visit the medical or the curretn events forums. You'll see that this forum could disappear right now and mean nothing to the board.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I can see how some might think that the whole baord revolves around their little boys' club, but I assure you, it does not.
The reason some would think that is because they never venture beyond this one forum on this very large board. They never venture out because they are here only to guard against any possible theory about their beloved boys' club.


Wrong. I've said it before, I'll say it again. I post in this forum because Masonry interests me, and because of that fact, anti-Masonry interests me. I post here because if and when I have time to kill on an internet forum, here I get the most bang for my buck because it is a topic I am passionate about, and the characters here simply crack me up sometimes. It's really as simple as that.


As I have stated before, I see no evidence that the Masons have any desire to take over the world. Oh, I have read some really way-out stuff, but nobody has explained how the boys' club works to get the job done. The boys at work don't seem to have any chain of command that I can see.

No, call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I think there might be something else going on. I think that the real bad guys might want people to eyeball the Masons so the real bad guys can move around more easily. That's what I think.


An interesting theory, and much more likely than what usually gets spouted. Although most of the loudest cries come from religious fundamentalist groups. I still for the life of me can't understand, doubly so now that I am a member, why and how people come up with all this complete and utter nonsense about this fraternity. It still blows my mind, even after all this time.


Still, this ain't no virtual lodge.


Never said it was, never treated it as such, nor would I ever want that to be the case.


Go visit the medical or the curretn events forums. You'll see that this forum could disappear right now and mean nothing to the board.


So why the argument? If it's so insignificant, why not just pull the plug? Why make such a big deal about something that has no interest from or effect on the rest of the board? Really (minus entertainment value) you'd probably be doing everyone a favor.

Wait, no... If I didn't have the SS forum at ATS in which to defend the Craft, I might jump off a building or something...




posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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OK guys, does anyone remember the topic? "Is Masonry a Scapegoat"? If you want to take this discussion, that is not on topic, further there is two options, use the Gripe button or u2u. Remember that forum decorum is to be used in u2u's as well.

To see what is to be posted in SS see here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:34 PM
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Let's get this straight, Axe, I am not wrong. You might be wrong if you think it all revolves around you, but that is not the case. So please, do not tell me what is wrong when I've been watching this mess for quite some time, so don't tell me otherwise.

Furthermore, don't tell me it hasn't been attempted to turn this into a Masonic sitting room. Again, I know better.

As far as what we do with this forum, we will do with it as we see fit. We will continue to monitor and moderate as we feel it is necessary for this CONSPIRACY forum.

As far as my theory, it is just as good as the theories that my Masonic friends are evil and out to get me. If they are out to get me, they sure are doing it in a strange way, I'll say. This being said, I am willing to look at other ideaas, but I would like it to make some sort of sense and have some bit of evidence. Still I reserve the right to keep my opinion as is. I expect you to do the same.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
If I didn't have the SS forum at ATS in which to defend the Craft,


You just capsulized the problem. ATS is not a masonic lodge and the SS forum isn't here to give you and your fellow masons a place to "defend the craft". This isn't a battleground for some masonic crusade to defend the faith. This forum is here to give members a place to talk about conspiracies as they relate to Secret Societies.



posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard

Originally posted by The Axeman
If I didn't have the SS forum at ATS in which to defend the Craft,


You just capsulized the problem. ATS is not a masonic lodge and the SS forum isn't here to give you and your fellow masons a place to "defend the craft". This isn't a battleground for some masonic crusade to defend the faith. This forum is here to give members a place to talk about conspiracies as they relate to Secret Societies.


So what you are saying is that the people who are actually part of the supposed conspiracy should have no voice.

I don't defend a faith. I defend a truth.


My point is - how the hell are people able to discuss conspiracies when you have recognised liars running around spouting recognised crap. Don't give me a "that's your opinion" load of rubbish as the guy in question has been caught red-handed telling lies.
I came here because ATS is a conspiracy board. I post everywhere. I would not expect to see people post lies in other forums without getting slapped down. It makes no difference who illuminates the liars - be they UFO fanatics, News-hounds or churchgoers.



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