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What if Masonry is just the scape goat?

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posted on Nov, 25 2005 @ 08:04 AM
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How much time have people put into researching free masonry, trying to find out their real objectives and intentions and they do this because of word of mouth and because of the evidence with the symbolism used in freemasonry and that we find in our government.
But what if that symbolism was set up to send us on a wild goose chase all the while ignoring the REAL group that is related to that symbolism?
Maybe Freemasons are a decoy to distract us into putting all of our collective energies into investigating so that the true threat goes widely untouched and unnoticed by those who care enough to try to do something about it.

Next question... who is that other group... and how do we know for sure that group is not a decoy as well?

My gut says that most of the groups we discuss here are decoys.. and that the real threat is so secret that we have probably never heard of them or if we have we had no idea that they had any connections to these things at all

Discuss.




posted on Nov, 25 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by NephraTari
Next question... who is that other group... and how do we know for sure that group is not a decoy as well?


The Russian Doll Syndrome. Because that group could be a decoy too and we might never know when we get to the bottom of the well...



My gut says that most of the groups we discuss here are decoys.. and that the real threat is so secret that we have probably never heard of them or if we have we had no idea that they had any connections to these things at all


I would certainly say that there is nothing sinister in freemasonry. I wouldn't agree, however, that freemasonry is a deliberate cover for a secret organisation. Given the nature of freemasonry it's such a poor cover for sinister activities they'd be better picking something like Greenpeace or the United Nations.

Oooh - perhaps they have...



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 02:35 PM
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Yes, yes, and "Can I get some more where that came from."

Masonry is not actually the source of anything we discuss here, any problem, solution, symbol, thought, theory... etc.

Freemasory offers lessons that have multiple layers of interpretation, and this is one of the main things that you can learn to understand from its operation.

The goat has important occult meaning, and its role is most often: to take the blame.

Ride the goat. Gaotu, etc...

Thus, if you are successful, but don't want people to dislike, or discriminate against you, then you can 'out' yourself as being a Mason, and contribute to philanthropy. Gets people jumping to conclusions, some will assume you worked for the money, others will assume it was your Masonic connections etc.

And the whole while, true occult workings are going on. Sweet, ain't it.



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
Freemasory offers lessons that have multiple layers of interpretation, and this is one of the main things that you can learn to understand from its operation.

Finally someone who seems to GET IT! (thought I...) Then I read on...


Ride the goat. Gaotu, etc...

You're kidding, right? Masons in the past embraced the "goat" business, choosing to see it as a joke rather than as an affront. There's never (to my knowledge) been any real association with a goat in Masonry.

As to the "GAOTU" -- again, I assume you're joking. This is shorthand for "Great Architect of the Universe" -- The Deity -- God. The description fits the "builder" metaphors inherent throughout.

HTH

DD



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 08:29 PM
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this is what i was attempting to get at on:conspiracy against masons

unfortunately it has gotten a little off track and become a slinging match.
american and european fascism is an interesting topic in this area.

[edit on 26-11-2005 by Nagell]



posted on Nov, 26 2005 @ 08:57 PM
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There are plenty of perfectly normal people who simply choose not to participate, for whatever reason. That is (obvoiusly) their right.

Then there are those who attack it. They seem to be the ones we notice.
In either case, I don't think it's a "conspiracy." Rather it's a collection of different types of folks:

(1) Those who are disturbed and see demons and evil behind every bush, and suffer irrational fear of anything they do not understand. Rather than attempt to understand it, they stoke their own fears to a fever pitch. You can usually spot their websites a mile away.
(2) Those whose avarice allows them to capitalize on the fears of others -- these are also easy to spot by the catalog of books, tapes, etc. they have for sale.
(3) Those who have been rejected for or expelled from membership and hence "have an axe to grind" -- they can be harder to spot, often because they don't fit into any other category.
(4) Those whose bigoted fundamentalist religion demands they (a) fit everyone into binary categories of "us" and "them" (b) reject all non-prosthelyte contact with "them" and (c) attempt to convert or destroy all of "them"
(5) Those naive enough to believe the nonsense propounded by the others.

Madness, Avarice, Sour-Grapes, Religious Bigotry and Naivete. Yep, that about covers it.

You asked...

DD



posted on Nov, 28 2005 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by NephraTari

Next question... who is that other group... and how do we know for sure that group is not a decoy as well?

My gut says that most of the groups we discuss here are decoys.. and that the real threat is so secret that we have probably never heard of them or if we have we had no idea that they had any connections to these things at all

Discuss.



Maybe its the Talmudist you are thinking of here is a website with some info about them and their students. I guess if they are that hard to find they will find you, if they need you.

www.come-and-hear.com... Have you ever seen a group of happier fellows in your life? Check out the slide show.



posted on Nov, 28 2005 @ 09:25 AM
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Pan is the goat your thinking of and no most Masons do
not know the depth of it. Look around here its obvious or go on the Masonic message boards they usaully don't see past the common esoteric and philospohpy disscussions...Which is fine I suppose but sometimes you owe it to yourself to look deeper. What and when you find is your choice of your next action...

In this world anything is possible even a debunker to be right and a deep thinker as well you got to stand in the middle to see it.

Let that be a smack in everyones face for good reason. I am not up for debate take my word as whole and run with it. Like I said you owe it to yourself not me. If you are comfortable that there is nothing and you are pure of heart and soul so be it but if you have the slightest idea you should decide where you stand in this world. You owe it to yourself...

Sometimes I feel guilt if I point things out for people rather try to help them find it for themself. Take trust in me like I do myself and I will you.

[edit on 28-11-2005 by japike]



posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 11:41 PM
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I'd suggest that a Mason would know the depth of his own craft more than a conspiracy theorist...

"Demons behind bushes" springs to mind again...

A huge amount of Masonic material has been "exposed" to the public already, and the majority of criticisms made as a result of this are simply doctrinal issues raised by members of the Christian Right.

Has there even been a single substantial case of nepotism or illegality related to Freemasonry, apart from the P2 incidents?

The whole thing is a bit overblown, IMHO.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 06:06 AM
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Or you could just have these nut-bars bully and harass you across 3 continents for just under 4 years.
'Fraid the majority of my "research" into this cult has been in aid of my continual attempts at self-preservation.

I would not have gone to the trouble of wading through 2000 odd pages of Masonic rhetoric and dogma under normal circumstances I assure you. Before these people drugged and attempted to brainwash me I had no interest in them at all.



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by MrNECROS
Before these people drugged and attempted to brainwash me I had no interest in them at all.


You forgot to add "blew up my toilet, tampered with my motorcycle and stole all my yellow M&Ms".

If only all anti-masons were like you Necros. The world would be a much happier place - after all, they do say that laughter is the best medicine.




posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 08:11 AM
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Live in the mystery not in the know?

Maybe it is the secret evil that is actually good for us.

1+1=3 to progress

11

"ash before phoenix" death before rebirth

The dance of Ages has Come.

trinity blah hicup



[edit on 30-11-2005 by japike]



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by Leveller


You forgot to add "blew up my toilet, tampered with my motorcycle and stole all my yellow M&Ms".


He also forgot to mention whether or not the little old ladies from the Eastern Star were still chasing him around the streets of downtown Bangkok, Thailand.



[edit on 30-11-2005 by Masonic Light]



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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He also forgot to mention that poor, drugged doggie. I sure hope poochie has made a full recovery now.



posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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Excellent Thread.

Masonry is just that Masonry. It's the outer circle. The inner circle is not Freemasonry. We the people who are on the outside make the mistake of failing to distinguish between the Illuminati and the Masons. But it is all to convieniet for the Illuminists. Officially Masonry is a diversion.

When people accuse groups of conspiring for wealth and power it is really not the masons they are accusing. Even though Bush Sr. Bush Jr are 33rd degree Masons they are not true masons.

Masonry believes in the brotherhood of fellow man. Bush Jr. and his cronies only believe in war and sufferring to the world so they are not true masons. They might be perverting the beliefs of Masonry but they ultimatly believe in furthering their own agenda's.



posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Huabamambo
Excellent Thread.


Debatable....



Masonry is just that Masonry.


Absolutely! Nothing else.



It's the outer circle. The inner circle is not Freemasonry.


Right. Because Masonry has no "inner circle" I'm glad we're agreeing.



We the people who are on the outside make the mistake of failing to distinguish between the Illuminati and the Masons.


Right! Because they're two different things. In fact, ONE of them actually exists.



But it is all to convieniet for the Illuminists. Officially Masonry is a diversion.


It sure got you off-track, but I disagree with you...



When people accuse groups of conspiring for wealth and power it is really not the masons they are accusing.


With that I whole-heartedly agree. Thanks!



Even though Bush Sr. Bush Jr are 33rd degree Masons they are not true masons.


Exactly right, because NEITHER President Bush, NOR Former President Bush are Masons...not 1st Degree, not 33rd Degree...not Masons at all. Period. You can live in a fantasy and believe they are if you like, but they simply aren't. We're proud of our Masonic heritage and a seated (or even former) President is big news for Masonry...always has been....for all seventeen Presidents who've been Masons....Former President Ford being the LAST President who was a Mason (and is, by the way a 33rd Degree member of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry)



Masonry believes in the brotherhood of fellow man.


Bingo!



Bush Jr. and his cronies only believe in war and sufferring to the world so they are not true masons.


Actually he's George W. Bush not "Jr" Former Pres. Bush is George H.W. Bush and President Bush isn't George H.W. Bush, Jr., but anyway we catch your drift...and again, I agree with you about them not being "true Masons" because Bush is NOT a Mason at all. Never has been. I'd venture, though that if he petitioned a Lodge, he'd be accepted, but that's just my opinion.



They might be perverting the beliefs of Masonry but they ultimatly believe in furthering their own agenda's.


Care to write that in English? If so, I'll be glad to comment.

Thanks!



posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:54 PM
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Mod Edit: to remove post.

[edit on 1-12-2005 by kinglizard]



posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 09:58 PM
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Snoresman, welcome to ATS. Now please stop with the insulting comments directed at other members. This is against the Terms and Conditions of Use.



posted on Dec, 2 2005 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by Huabamambo
...Bush Sr. Bush Jr are 33rd degree Masons ...


Wrong. Incorrect. Inaccurate. Nope! They are NEITHER one EITHER one. Wrong-O Buckaroo.


RAF

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