They have, and still do run it... It never has been an Air Force base...it is a testing facility, simple as that....hence, the only official name as
a testing site... It is used by other entities, such as NASA, Lockheed, USAF, etc. but is still operated by intelligence.
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reply posted on 22-9-2003 @ 07:29 PM by quaneeri
DET 3 AFFTC
Detachment 3, Air Force Flight Test Center
The Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC), headquartered at Edwards Air Force Base, is the presumed operator of the secret air base at Groom Lake (Area 51). This assumption is drawn because "AFFTC" appears on many documents regarding base security and land use, and known Groom Lake alumni claim AFFTC credentials. AFFTC is a logical master because the Groom Lake base was founded for the testing of secret aircraft -- initially the U-2 -- and Edwards is responsible for that function. Groom Lake is Detachment 3 (DET 3) of AFFTC. Det. 3 Personnel often claim to have worked at Nellis Air Force Base or "Pittman Station," a now-defunct post office in Henderson, Nevada.
Connections
Cammo Dudes
Alumni
NASA Astronaut Roy D. Bridges, Jr. -- Was "Assistant Director of Plans" at Det. 3 of AFFTC/Nellis between Nov. 1979 and July 1980.
NASA Astronaut Candidate Carl E. Walz.
Related Organizations
Edwards Air Force Base. AFFTC Headquarters.
Area 51. Aircraft testing base at Groom Lake.
Cammo Dudes. DET 3 SP - Area 51 perimeter security force.
Nellis Air Force Base & Range. Provides cover and support.
Land Holdings in Nevada
According to the 1994 environmental impact study of Edwards AFB [Reported by Xelex@aol.com] 18 off-base properties are owned by the Air Force Flight Test Center, including the following:
Bald Mtn., NV (in Groom Mtn. Range overlooking Area 51): 3 acres, 1971 to present, Microwave Radar Annex
Beatty, NV: 32 acres, 1959 to present, Aircraft Test Research Facility
Bishop, CA: 62 acres, 1966 to present, Test Site
Coyote Flats (SW of Bishop): 642 acres, 1965 to present, Test Site
Also included are a string of microwave radar annexes and microwave relays running from Goshute, NV to Mt. Pinos, CA which were established in 1971 and 1972. Four missile tracking annexes in California are included.
Contractors
Science Applications International Corp, Test & Evaluation Group.
homepage.tinet.ie...
Detachment 3, Air Force Flight Test Center
The Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC), headquartered at Edwards Air Force Base, is the presumed operator of the secret air base at Groom Lake (Area 51). This assumption is drawn because "AFFTC" appears on many documents regarding base security and land use, and known Groom Lake alumni claim AFFTC credentials. AFFTC is a logical master because the Groom Lake base was founded for the testing of secret aircraft -- initially the U-2 -- and Edwards is responsible for that function. Groom Lake is Detachment 3 (DET 3) of AFFTC. Det. 3 Personnel often claim to have worked at Nellis Air Force Base or "Pittman Station," a now-defunct post office in Henderson, Nevada.
Connections
Cammo Dudes
Alumni
NASA Astronaut Roy D. Bridges, Jr. -- Was "Assistant Director of Plans" at Det. 3 of AFFTC/Nellis between Nov. 1979 and July 1980.
NASA Astronaut Candidate Carl E. Walz.
Related Organizations
Edwards Air Force Base. AFFTC Headquarters.
Area 51. Aircraft testing base at Groom Lake.
Cammo Dudes. DET 3 SP - Area 51 perimeter security force.
Nellis Air Force Base & Range. Provides cover and support.
Land Holdings in Nevada
According to the 1994 environmental impact study of Edwards AFB [Reported by Xelex@aol.com] 18 off-base properties are owned by the Air Force Flight Test Center, including the following:
Bald Mtn., NV (in Groom Mtn. Range overlooking Area 51): 3 acres, 1971 to present, Microwave Radar Annex
Beatty, NV: 32 acres, 1959 to present, Aircraft Test Research Facility
Bishop, CA: 62 acres, 1966 to present, Test Site
Coyote Flats (SW of Bishop): 642 acres, 1965 to present, Test Site
Also included are a string of microwave radar annexes and microwave relays running from Goshute, NV to Mt. Pinos, CA which were established in 1971 and 1972. Four missile tracking annexes in California are included.
Contractors
Science Applications International Corp, Test & Evaluation Group.
homepage.tinet.ie...
reply posted on 22-9-2003 @ 07:34 PM by quaneeri
Area 51 is
Edwards DET 3
Starting only with the phrase "Pittman Station" astute web surfers have come up with strong evidence that the base at Groom Lake is operated by Detachment 3 of the Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards Air Force Base.
Here's how it happened...
In DR#35 we connected Area 51 to "Pittman Station, Henderson," site of a defunct post office that once received mail for the base. We also directly linked the Cammo Dudes to the Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC) at Edwards Air Force Base*.
Reader R. Stanton (sparky@cwo.com), plugged "Pittman Station" into the Alta Vista web search and came back with a 1990 NASA press release* listing astronaut candidates [local copy]. One of these astronauts, Capt. Carl E. Walz, lists "Pittman Station" as the site of his current employment (as of 1990, when the post office might still have existed). It's amazing how many people worked at this post office! Here is his entry:
NAME: Carl E. Walz, Captain, USAF, Mission Specialist
BIRTHPLACE Cleveland, Ohio
RESIDENCE: Henderson, Nev.
EDUCATION: Charles T. Brush High School, Lyndhurst, Ohio
BS, Physics, Kent State, 1977
MS, Physics, John Carroll Univ., 1979
CURRENT POSITION: Flight Test Program Manager
Air Force Flight Test Center
Pittman Station, Nevada
The implication, of course, is that Capt. Walz worked at Area 51.
Reader A. Von Retyi (andreas.von.retyi@blitz.de) then did a search for "Walz" on the web and came up with a detailed NASA biography on him [original location*]. Walz is scheduled to fly a Space Shuttle mission this summer*. According to the biography, "In July 1987 he was transferred to Las Vegas, Nevada, where he served as a Flight Test Program Manager at Detachment 3, Air Force Flight Test Center."
AFFTC is not listed as a tenant at Nellis on its web page*, suggesting that their entire presence in the Nellis complex is covert.
DR#35 established that AFFTC has a presence at Groom, and now we know that it is Detachment 3 that is housed there. This is consistant with the designation on the cover of the Area 51 Security Manual of "DET 3 SP," with "SP" perhaps referring to "Security Police."
www.ufomind.com...
Edwards DET 3
Starting only with the phrase "Pittman Station" astute web surfers have come up with strong evidence that the base at Groom Lake is operated by Detachment 3 of the Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards Air Force Base.
Here's how it happened...
In DR#35 we connected Area 51 to "Pittman Station, Henderson," site of a defunct post office that once received mail for the base. We also directly linked the Cammo Dudes to the Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC) at Edwards Air Force Base*.
Reader R. Stanton (sparky@cwo.com), plugged "Pittman Station" into the Alta Vista web search and came back with a 1990 NASA press release* listing astronaut candidates [local copy]. One of these astronauts, Capt. Carl E. Walz, lists "Pittman Station" as the site of his current employment (as of 1990, when the post office might still have existed). It's amazing how many people worked at this post office! Here is his entry:
NAME: Carl E. Walz, Captain, USAF, Mission Specialist
BIRTHPLACE Cleveland, Ohio
RESIDENCE: Henderson, Nev.
EDUCATION: Charles T. Brush High School, Lyndhurst, Ohio
BS, Physics, Kent State, 1977
MS, Physics, John Carroll Univ., 1979
CURRENT POSITION: Flight Test Program Manager
Air Force Flight Test Center
Pittman Station, Nevada
The implication, of course, is that Capt. Walz worked at Area 51.
Reader A. Von Retyi (andreas.von.retyi@blitz.de) then did a search for "Walz" on the web and came up with a detailed NASA biography on him [original location*]. Walz is scheduled to fly a Space Shuttle mission this summer*. According to the biography, "In July 1987 he was transferred to Las Vegas, Nevada, where he served as a Flight Test Program Manager at Detachment 3, Air Force Flight Test Center."
AFFTC is not listed as a tenant at Nellis on its web page*, suggesting that their entire presence in the Nellis complex is covert.
DR#35 established that AFFTC has a presence at Groom, and now we know that it is Detachment 3 that is housed there. This is consistant with the designation on the cover of the Area 51 Security Manual of "DET 3 SP," with "SP" perhaps referring to "Security Police."
www.ufomind.com...
reply posted on 17-2-2013 @ 12:58 PM by boomer135
reply to post by Thomasz
Star for you sir, for you have renewed the oldest thread I've seen bumped on this site!
Star for you sir, for you have renewed the oldest thread I've seen bumped on this site!
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