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The Native American Indian

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posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 01:50 AM
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The Native American Indian is the last true slaves in America. They are relegated to "Reservations" which are just ghettos where they are left to live a life of poverty, hopelessness, and utter despair.
Early on the American Cavalry was directed by the U.S. Government to do their best to annihilate them from the planet. After doing a very good job, as evidenced by places like Wounded Knee, the Bureau of Indian Affairs took over to finish the job by trying to erase the Indians culture.
Today some tribes do well by opening casinos to cater to ganster bosses, prostitution and low life gamblers. Outside of that, they are a forgotten people. The politicians have no vested interested in them as do the many civil rights organizations. This is a true American disgrace. Why is it allowed to continue?


(mod edit to change all CAPS title)

[edit on 23-11-2005 by pantha]




posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 01:55 AM
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Very good question, I don't know any real details on the subject past what you have said - but I think the events that happened in history were disgraceful and it surprises me that the state of affairs has not changed even today. Obviously this is an 'inconvenience' that too many people wish to leave buried and forgotten in the hope that one day it will be gone, why the hell it happened in the first place is beyond me, especially when one considers the sheer size of the American continent. I think it's disgusting.

I don't think that modern day Americans should take on the burden of the guilt for what their ancestors did, but I don't see why decendants of the Native Americans should still have to live in these conditions and with the restrictions they have, while eveyone else carries on like nothing ever happened.
Obviously I imagine that from the perspective of the TPTB it is difficult to promote a country that promotes 'freedom' and 'liberty' when you still have a half wiped out indigenous population that is living in squalor to pave way for these 'values'.

[edit on 23-11-2005 by AgentSmith]



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 02:10 AM
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Maybe the past atrocities should not be shouldered by Americans today, but don't the current slavelike conditions of today rest on our shoulders?

The reason for the start of the distruction of Americans Indians was rooted in greed which continues today in the plush Indian casinos.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by monk84
Maybe the past atrocities should not be shouldered by Americans today, but don't the current slavelike conditions of today rest on our shoulders?


Absolutely right, I'm concerned that I don't want to make it look like I'm condemning current generations or what they have achieved (I am infact part Italian-American myself too), but you have a very valid point. As I said I'm not 100% on the current situation and the details so if you have any links that would be great... But something should be done, what exactly I don't know.

Absolutely right with the motiviation being greed, just look at the size of the US! It would not be right to do what happened under any circumstances, but it just seemed so un-necessary anyway.

[edit on 23-11-2005 by AgentSmith]



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 02:32 AM
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If you want to get into the gut of the situation read "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown. Also read up on AIM- the American Indian Movement. I'm sure Google has lots of info on it.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by AgentSmith
I don't think that modern day Americans should take on the burden of the guilt for what their ancestors did, but I don't see why decendants of the Native Americans should still have to live in these conditions and with the restrictions they have, while eveyone else carries on like nothing ever happened.
[edit on 23-11-2005 by AgentSmith]


We (I am Lakota) don’t have to live on the res. As a matter of fact, we can go anywhere we please, just like a real American!

Fact is, bringing up the past pisses alot of us off. It happened, it sucked, and it’s over (the war part.) What we can do now is try to make the situation better. You can’t open our range again; you can’t bring the bison to their old numbers.

As a matter of fact, I was talking with a black co-worker the other day who was complaining about the black situation in America. I told him that if he wants to, he can go back to Africa and live just like his ancestors did centuries ago; I can't. Of course, he got mad and tried to get me in trouble, but I was simply stating fact and HR recognized this.

The point is, we can’t go back, no matter how much some of want to, so there is little use discussing it. We have been "awarded" reservations. I respect those who choose to live on them; they are stronger than me. I choose not to. I am doing just fine.

Want to know what you can do? Two things. First, ask your representative to try and stop this sale of fed. lands that is in the works. If we are ever able to go back someday, we don’t want condos and mall parking lots for hunting grounds. The feds have no right to it anyway, read the Constitution and you will see why.

Second thing is don’t be a do-gooder. We appreciate the help, but we don’t need it. We are not children as many a yuppie has treated us while trying to help. Actually, you would be surprised how many of us are educated. Want to really help? open a legit business on a res, tobacco stores do well.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 02:48 AM
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What you say about not bringing up the past may be true for you, but for me as a Jew I never want me or the world to forget what happened in Germany under Hitler. That is where "Never Again" comes from. If we let the past be forgotten and the anger lost I believe it will just happen again.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:06 AM
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Forgive and forget, friend; no one can be forgiven if they do not first forgive. I don't believe in harboring anger like you do, it's not healthy.

Besides, it can’t happen again; the land is gone, the bison are gone, and our will to live free is gone. What more can they take? Even if they want more (and why would they, all is gone) we are, like we were, outgunned.

You, as a Jew who states that he/she ponders Nazi Germany, should understand outgunned. Imagine if every Jew in Europe had a pistol in his pocket at that time. History would not be the same. Imagine also every Lakota (a "Sioux" band, just in case you don’t know) had a riffle. Just look what we did with our stone-age tech.

How can you ensure these atrocities never again happen? Help to recall all 20,000 + gun laws in our country. Remember little bighorn, remember Warsaw Ghetto. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership remembers, and so does AIM.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:15 AM
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Individual gun ownership is a must, but it is only for street and home protection. Israel is my gun and Israel is and was built on the past, the present and the future.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:18 AM
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Hey, dug up a little of the past myself. Read this.




The long-expected detachment of Sioux, on their way to the Oklahoma Indian Territory, arrived in Omaha yesterday afternoon... American Horse had his squaw and papoose with him and there were eleven other squaws in the party. One or two were quite pleasing in the face, but the majority looked as though they were natural-born mothers-in-law. Perhaps this is too severe —they all had the appearance of being amiable at times, and the Herald does not wish to say anything really bad about them. American Horse’s papoose was a chubby, sturdy little beggar, and when one of the ladies spoke to him, he set up a tremendous wail, just as natural and lifelike as if he were human.

— The Omaha Herald, November 4, 1876.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:23 AM
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The enemy could have written that today !



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by monk84
Individual gun ownership is a must, but it is only for street and home protection. Israel is my gun and Israel is and was built on the past, the present and the future.


Hey, whatever you say, boss. I hope that works out for you, it never has for any other nation. Of course, Israel is different, you have God at your back now that your a state again. Next time someone really messes with yall, They are going to live (or not) to regret it. Christians, on the other hand, just have to get picked on till we die or find a place to hide once the SHTF.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by monk84
The enemy could have written that today !



What enemy and why would they?

If you didn’t notice, the last sentence implied we are non-human; I don’t think anyone would write that today and expect to be taken seriously ever again.



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:31 AM
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Christians and people like you with God also on your side are always welcome in Israel. We would be very glad to have you at our side.
May you go in peace and with great strength!



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by monk84
We would be very glad to have you at our side.
May you go in peace and with great strength!


Well, thanks. Right back at ya.


On topic, read below




Those who would like to understand the Sioux Indian’s questions about justice must know something about the United States Government-Teton Sioux, Arapaho Treaty of 1868. It has never been revoked, but it has been shamefully violated. The more important sections of the treaty are as follows:

Peace between the United States and the Indians; the United States will punish anyone, Indian or white, who violates the treaty, and reimburse the injured person for the loss.
The Sioux and Arapaho will have a reservation of everything west of the Missouri River in present South Dakota; the area north of the Northern Platte River and east of the Big Horn Mountains (in Wyoming) will be unceded Indian Territory, where no whites will settle or pass through. The Indians give up claim to other land.
If the reservation yields less than 160 acres of farming land per person, the United States will provide nearby land. Anyone living on the reservation may take land for his own or his family and own it privately; otherwise, land is held in common by the tribe. The United States may pass laws about passing down land to descendants.
The United States will provide: educational and economic buildings; an agent who lives on the reservation and who can forward complaints of treaty violations for prosecution; assistance for farming; clothing and necessities for thirty years; food for four years; oxen and a cow for every family that farms.
The treaty can only be changed by a vote of three fourths of the adult members of the tribe.
— Thomas E. Mails, “Fools Crow”, 1979



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 03:49 AM
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Apologies I hope I havn't caused any offence to anyone, it was not my intention.

[edit on 23-11-2005 by AgentSmith]



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by AgentSmith
Apologies I hope I havn't caused any offence to anyone, it was not my intention.

[edit on 23-11-2005 by AgentSmith]

U kiddin? You can't offend cavscout! Cavscout offends others! I am the great offender, a realist who tells it like is and spares no mans feelings; anything else would be cheating those whom I offend.

Peace.



PS - Now you got me thinkin....just what did your post say before the edit? You can u2u it to me if you want (or not)

[edit on 23-11-2005 by cavscout]



posted on Nov, 23 2005 @ 04:27 AM
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That's normally my job! (offending people).
I was trying to be careful in not sounding patronising, but it's quite difficult (especially for me) and really not my intention in this case.

Don't worry about the edit, virtually all my posts have edits - usually spelling mistakes I just noticed. In that case it was a spelling mistake and I used a texting abbreviation which I didn't like.



posted on Nov, 25 2005 @ 09:11 AM
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Ya you both offended me real good. now please stop the kissy face apologies and go back to the topic.. which in all honesty had little purpose to start with.
I appreciate that people care about what happened in the past.. it sucked.. it was horrible but it is the past.. People that live on reservations now do so by choice not by force. I am Ho-Chunk and I do not feel the least bit oppressed or mistreated right now. Its true that the government has done many things to break their word to us many times and has tried to dip their hands into our money as well.. but overall we are fine. We are very strong people and I would ask respectfully that you not pity us as there is no need for it. Empathy is always welcome.. but please.. no pity.



posted on Nov, 25 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by monk84
The Native American Indian is the last true slaves in America. They are relegated to "Reservations" which are just ghettos where they are left to live a life of poverty, hopelessness, and utter despair.


Slavery entails servitude and forced labour to me and I don't see that at all. What I do see is the lasting denial of Native American wisdom...a disdain for their way of life.

While the pity from yuppies is unwanted, I see there is hope in their interest.

My dubious genetic connections to the Cree nation are something I have steadfastly ignored over my entire life. I have never met my real father, do not know his family and never want to...however, I do, for some strange reason I can't describe, feel an affinity to them. Just the knowledge that somewhere in my heritage is a bit of Native American fills me with a feeling of belonging.

The Native Americans I personally do know have no clue about this. I really don't think it matters if they think I'm a Dutchman with a tinge of Cree in me or not. They accept me for who I am...just another guy interested in backwoods trails, old stories, where to catch the best pickerel and what the latest jokes are.

But, I'll back up that denial of slavery...the people in these parts have never been conquered by anyone.

As Elder William Commanda, a most respected chief says; "...we must forgive others the hardship and pain they may have caused us and we must trust that this energy will transform them spiritually."

No slavery there...just patience, hope and selflessness.



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