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reply posted on 24-11-2005 @ 01:16 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by Boatphone
According to Islamic Law women are less then men; they have less rights and are not treated as equals.


So what? It's part of the culture. It's not perfect, but have you looked at the difference in pay between the women and men of the USA lately? Women are not treated equally here either. Who is most often the victim of rape and domestic violence? Who is expected to have a full time job, raise the children and cook and clean?


No body in the Islamic community is speaking out against these horrible laws, so they are to blame too even if they do not abuse women.

-- Boat


I think you are mistaken. There are plenty of Muslims who speak out against this practice and against the treatment of women in their country. I think that you're just not listening.

Originally posted by hands
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

- I agree with soficrow that this story and others like it are small attempts to make the case for use of force against the 'barbarians' without really coming right out and saying it. This administration wants to control the countries with the oil and make a case against muslim countries. Notice that even though 'Muslim' or 'Islam' isn't mentioned in the original article, the picture is a woman in a burka.


If you go back and read the source of the link that 'I' posted - you will find that it is the father of the girls in the picture that allowed the girls to be photographed even though he feared reprisals for that. Are you going to join in with the people in his district and tell him he's being 'unislamic'?


I'm sorry, I don't understand your point or your question.


reply posted on 24-11-2005 @ 03:49 PM by Hellmutt
Originally posted by jsobecky

Where is Pervez Musharraf when all of this is happening?

Here he is:
Musharraf: Get Yourself Raped And Go To Canada

Btw as said before, these "honor killings" happens in non-muslim countries as well. Where it is considered as murder and illegal. But often these murders are not detected. I.e. many immigrant women have disappeared in Denmark but the cases are not investigated because no one has officially reported the women as "missing". There is a debate going on in Denmark as we speak to open up investigations. Cases they strongly suspect are "honor killings". In many cases the killings are detected but the cases are not solved. Only some cases are solved and make its way to media. How to stop the practice of "honor killings" in our own countries, like Germany, Denmark, Sweden, UK, France and so on?


reply posted on 24-11-2005 @ 03:54 PM by geek101
hands wrote:


Word of mouth is very much where changes are going to happen with something like this, very much so. What I would like to know is how 'I' as a western (christian heritage) woman can do?


Riwka wrote:


The Muslim village and elders have to delegitimize, condemn and isolate the perpetrator - and not the defenceless and unprotected. And this could start in your local community. What would you wish: how can we Non-Muslims help?


shalom, salaam, hello, peace

thank you for your comments. You ask very valid questions but the sad fact is, is that you can do nothing.
Hand, this is all i do too.....shake my head, get angry at the fact that these people are presenting a view of Islam which is not true, and thats it.
I have a thread on here:

true islam

which explains more about my own views on this.

Riwka, i totally agree that the village elders/leader need to stop this, but they wont. Simple thing is that THIS is what they have been taught is islam. They dont read Quran, and if they do, they certainly dont understand it. These people follow something but i sure as hell dont know what.
I am making a small step though. I am creating a web site that will present the true islam, it will have arguments against the use of hadith collections as a source of islamic law and articles about why islam is seen as it is.
Its my tiny contribution to what i pray will be a total islamic revolution soon. Not between muslims and non-muslims, but within the muslim population themselves.

Honour killings are murder, plain and simple and although i think you are right, it IS mainly muslims who do this, i also believe that it is due more to a lack of education and a strict adherence to tradition, than actually being a muslim.


reply posted on 24-11-2005 @ 03:55 PM by jsobecky
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

So, then people speaking out against it isn't enough. You want them to stop it. And as geek101 said, what do you expect her to do? How exactly are they supposed to stop it?

Speaking from a nation that has no violence, maybe you can help her to stop it...

Maybe the right people aren't speaking out, or enough voices aren't speaking, or they aren't saying the right things. There could be a hundred reasons. All I am working with is your statement that plenty of people speak out. Maybe you can fill in some of the gaps and give times, places, and examples of when they spoke out.

And by your logic, President Bush must condone gang violence, domestic violence, murder, drug use, etc.

He has the authority to put an end to it in the USA. If he takes no action other than condemning it, which anyone can do, then we must conclude that he condones it.

We have laws against violence which are enforced by a police force and a court system. Our prisons are full, so it must be working. I don't know why you had to try to drag Bush into this. Why don't you answer the question I put forth about Musharraf instead?

Lest I be misunderstood, I would love to help geek101, or anyone in her situation. She can't do it alone. She can't do it at all unless there are enough people who want it stopped. In her country, it's imperative to get the backing of the men and the gov't. Safe houses staffed by the military and the police would be a start.

So don't come down on me, BH. I'm not the enemy.


reply posted on 24-11-2005 @ 04:28 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by jsobecky
All I am working with is your statement that plenty of people speak out. Maybe you can fill in some of the gaps and give times, places, and examples of when they spoke out.


So, you think Muslims don't speak out against this? Here are 2 links and I'm sure there are plenty more. If you're curious, I suggest you do some research.

www.muhajabah.com...
www.mwlusa.org...


I don't know why you had to try to drag Bush into this. Why don't you answer the question I put forth about Musharraf instead?


Musharraf is the president of Pakistan. I have no idea what powers he has. You brought up the president of the country as if he is all powerful and could stop these honor killings in his country. I 'dragged' Bush into this to make a comparison only. He is my president and he speaks out against abortion (for example) but he cannot stop it alone. A president of a country is not all powerful. That's the only reason I 'dragged' Bush into this.

People in the US government speak out FOR abortion just as people in the Pakistani government speak out for honor killings. And a lot more people here have abortions than perform honor killings there, I'm guessing.


So don't come down on me, BH. I'm not the enemy.


I apologize if it seems that I'm coming down on you. I am not. I just found your points the ones worth debating. Some points, I just shake my head and move on, but I had some counter points to yours and wanted to make them.

I assure you I'm not 'coming down' on you, even though it may 'sound' like that at times. I just like debate and you make good points.
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