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posted by rogue 1
Ahem, yes they did good for you. However they didn't supply Saddam with his chemical weapons capability
December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]
July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19]
January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2]
March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]
May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3]
May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]
Source
LMAO, well informed ok As I've said before on this thread I'm not american, you don't read do you. When you assume, you make an ass out of yourself
Ahem, your point being what ?
Or is this just another ramble, when you have nothing else to fall back on
Originally posted by stumason
posted by rogue 1
Ahem, yes they did good for you. However they didn't supply Saddam with his chemical weapons capability
Really? You keep believing that buddy....
December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]
July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19]
January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2]
March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]
May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3]
May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]
Source
And before you claim the source is wrong/biased/written by wombles, the little numbers behind each entry is a reference to the source for each claim. So you can check it out for yourself.
Ahem, your point being what ?
When you quote out of context you can make yourself appear really clever, can't you? My point was that the only reason that France and Germany are getting the blame now for supplying Chem and Bio stuff to Iraq is because the US is feeling bitter for them vetoing the war and being right in the end about the "WMD".
It is well documented, so continue to believe your little anti Franco-German lies if it makes you happy, but it wont make you any less ignorant.
Ooooh, sunshine, I have plenty to fall back on and if you really want to take me up on it then start a thread and we shall see who the ass is.
The point I was making was explained above, but when you misquote and take things out of context to make yourself appear superior i suppose it makes no difference, does it?
The US didn't supply anything which can be directly relate to the Iraqi CW program.
The electron beam welder. The inspectors found a giant electron beam welder at an Iraqi nuclear weapon plant. It was an essential part of Saddam's production line for making centrifuges, which Saddam was counting on to make his first critical mass of nuclear weapon material. The welder even had a special fixture for holding the centrifuges in place. The inspectors included it on a list of "the more important equipment" that they found.
The mass spectrometers. The UN found two U.S.-licensed mass spectrometers in the nuclear weapon program. These instruments are used to measure the quality of uranium as it is being enriched to nuclear weapon grade. The Commerce Department licensed one in December 1988 to the Ministry of Heavy Industries, a front company that bought equipment for the Iraqi nuclear weapon development sites, and another to Sa'ad 16 in 1985
The vacuum pump oil. The UN also found vacuum pump oil made by Dupont in the nuclear program. Vacuum pumps move uranium gas through the enrichment process, while the uranium is raised to nuclear weapon grade. The gas is corrosive, so special pumps are needed to move it. The oil is a restricted item because it is used to lubricate these special pumps. The Commerce Department licensed the pump oil in February 1989.
The detonation conference. In 1989, the Pentagon and the Department of Energy invited three Iraqis to attend a "detonation conference" in Portland, Oregon in August. Financed by American taxpayers, the meeting brought together experts from around the world to explain to the Iraqis how to produce shock waves in any desired configuration. There were even lectures on "H.M.X.," the high explosive of choice for nuclear detonation, and on flyer plates, used to help produce the precise shock waves needed to ignite A-bombs. The UN found both H.M.X. and flyer plates at Iraq's main nuclear weapon development site. The three Iraqis who attended the conference came from the laboratory that provided parts for Iraq's first high explosive nuclear detonator.
Chemical and missile items. In February 1992 the UN sent the State Department a list of American equipment that had been found in Iraq's chemical and missile programs. The list reveals a number of interesting things.
At the al-Muthanna State Establishment at Samarra, the largest Iraqi site for producing chemical weapons, the U.N. inspectors found American equipment during UNSCOM 17, the fifth chemical weapon inspection. They found air compressors, pressure and temperature regulators, power supply components, air filters for ensuring a clean and dry working environment, and buffer vessels, all made by a company in North Carolina. They also reported finding a filling system for projectiles--to fill the projectiles with chemical agents--made by a company in Connecticut and process control equipment made by a large American electronics manufacturer.
In addition, they reported finding a generator, some motors, and an ion exchange machine at al-Fallujah, another chemical weapon site. The UN said that all of these items were made by American companies. The UN also said in its letter that it had not determined how the equipment had found its way to Iraq, so it was possible that it had got there without the companies' knowledge.
I don't have too Your source prooves nothing. The US didn't supply the chemicals and they didn't build the plants How you can acuse them of supplying Saddams CW ability I don't know.
It wasn't the US supplying the precursor agents and building the facilities now was it
I've already proven you wrong
You don't have much to fall back on do you
Originally posted by stumason
Anyway, we are veering wildly off topic, so if you want to discuss this, then start a thread, as I suggested.
Apologies to NR for playing my part in deviating the thread mand ruining a very good joke.
Sorry dude
You think its unfair people not speaking respectfully of america? I can show you hundreds of posts here calling for ME countries to be " turned into a glass bowl" as half you retards who are to stupid to come up with something original say.
Hidden-You don't even try to hide your hatred of American's or Jewish people.
If you are so upset at people calling for your country to be turned into a glass bowel-you might ask yourself an honest question-why do they threaten to do that?
Based on what you said, I conclude you MAY live in Iran.
Now, why would people threaten to turn your country into a glass bowel?
Hmm, could it be your country has offered to give nuclear tech to any muslium country, no matter what they intend to do with it?
Could it be that YOUR country is trying to get/build nuclear weapons-and please don't tell me they are not-really!
Could it be that YOUR president has said he will wipe another country off the map-ie killing all men, women and children.
Could it be that people are sure that if your country gets nuclear weapons-they will use them.
Sorry 4 getting off topic-but I felt it was necessary.
Again,NR
I think by making lite of this topic, you allow all of us-ok- most of us, to be a little calmer in our discussions/debates of such heated topics.
We are all a passionate bunch here and a little humor can help us all.