Originally posted by stumason
posted by rogue 1
Ahem, yes they did good for you. However they didn't supply Saddam with his chemical weapons capability
Really? You keep believing that buddy....
December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials
support. [1] & [15]
July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19]
January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are
civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application.
[2]
March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21
the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]
May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal
strains of anthrax. [3]
May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]
Source
Hmmm and this proves what ? you haven't proven anything have you
The US didn't supply anything which can be directly relate to the Iraqi CW program. The Germans did.
- The reason the BND is well-informed of Iraqi WMD programs - nuclear, biological and chemical - is straightforward: since the early 1980s, it has
monitored German exports of dual-use nuclear technologies, precursor chemicals for poison-gas weapons, and "pharmaceutical" products and equipment
for biological weapons manufacture to the Middle East. Indeed, there are strong suspicions that it was a silent partner in a Hamburg front company,
Water Engineering Trading or WET, which covered for and facilitated such exports. Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix said in his January 27 report
that tons of Iraqi chemical and biological agents and precursors were unaccounted for. Over the years, well over half of the precursor materials and a
majority of the tools and know-how for their conversion into weapons were sold to Iraq by German firms - both prior to and after the 1991 Gulf War.
The BND has the details.
www.atimes.com...
- On 30 March, the US government announced the imposition of 'foreign policy controls' on the export to the Gulf-War belligerents of five
chemicals that could be used in the production of mustard and nerve gases. US officials told the press that this had been done in response to an
unexpected volume of recent orders from Iraq for those chemicals. They also said that Japan, FR Germany and other unspecified European countries had
been exporting the chemicals to Iraq.
projects.sipri.se...
- International support, especially by the two parts of Germany, was crucial in activating the Iraqi chemical program.
In early 1979, Iraq built the first factory to produce insecticides with the help of Italian engineers. The factory was built in the region of Akashat
at a cost of $50 million. A security system was also built to protect the factory that cost another $60 million. The building of this factory
experienced many problems, such as espionage attempts by the Mosad, the Israeli intelligence service. The western companies that dealt with the
defunct regime -- for instance Australian and Dutch firms -- exported a lot of materials related to this field of production. For instance, the Dutch
firm KBS sold Iraq large quantities of Thiodilyco (name as transliterated), a material that is essential in the production of mustard gas, at a cost
of 1.5 million Marks. Multinational Italian firms also supplied Iraq with 60 tons of Oxycklorure (name as transliterated), a phosphoric material that
is also used in chemical industries that can be put to dual-use. As for the French companies, they exported to Iraq large quantities of a gas (not
further identified) that can be used in warfare. This gas was exported across the borders from Italy and Turkey. This transaction was concluded
through the mediation of the German Company Karl Kolb. A confidential report issued on 21 August 1990 by Helmut Hossman (name as transliterated), the
Economy Minister of then West Germany, confirmed that the German companies had the lion's share in these transactions. The report said that since
1983, West German companies have exported to Iraq huge quantities of raw materials, equipment, and small industrial factories to produce poison gases.
The report also said that these companies participated directly in building the Sa'd Project, the Iraqi chemical project, and the construction of the
military complex in Al-Taji.
www.fas.org...
- Expurgated portions of Iraq's December 7 report to the UN Security Council show that German firms made up the bulk of suppliers for Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction programs. What's galling is that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and his minions have long known the facts, German
intelligence services know them and have loads of information on what Saddam Hussein is hiding, and Schroeder nonetheless plays holier than thou to an
easily manipulated, pacifist-inclined domestic audience.
www.freerepublic.com...
So who built Saddams CW facilities
Just a few facts for you, there are plenty more.
And before you claim the source is wrong/biased/written by wombles, the little numbers behind each entry is a reference to the source for each claim.
So you can check it out for yourself.
I don't have too
Your source prooves nothing. The US didn't supply the chemicals and they didn't build the plants
How you can acuse them
of supplying Saddams CW ability I don't know.
Ahem, your point being what ?
When you quote out of context you can make yourself appear really clever, can't you? My point was that the only reason that France and Germany
are getting the blame now for supplying Chem and Bio stuff to Iraq is because the US is feeling bitter for them vetoing the war and being right in the
end about the "WMD".
Well you were talking about something completely different
than our discussion. I didn't quote anything out of context either
It wasn't the US supplying the precursor agents and building the facilities now was it
It is a well established fact that the Europeans ( chief among them being Germany ) supplied the chemicals and the facilities.
It is well documented, so continue to believe your little anti Franco-German lies if it makes you happy, but it wont make you any less
ignorant.
Umm yes it is, as I have shown
Ooooh, sunshine, I have plenty to fall back on and if you really want to take me up on it then start a thread and we shall see who the
ass is.
I've already proven you wrong
The point I was making was explained above, but when you misquote and take things out of context to make yourself appear superior i suppose it
makes no difference, does it?
Sorry bud, I didn't miss quote anything, just what you said
You don't have much to fall back on do you
[edit on 23-11-2005 by rogue1]
