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posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

I agree peopledying. As part of NAFTA etc, they plan to use the new "Amero" as the North American Standard Currency and have openly embraced this idea. We would be fools to ignore the obvious, IMO.





Markus there is something important I haven't disclosed yet. I don't want this to get lost but I was hoping for some answers from the folks here beofre I spill the info. Believe me it should get everyones attention. So will anyone comment on the possibility of open borders in 4 years?
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posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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To All,

Please only quote what is necessary to make your point.

Thanks.



posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller
He's not exactly answered the question has he?



Why is it so difficult to get the idea that you normal Masons may have no idea of what is going on higher up!!! Why would you unless you are not "up there"? Do you really think you are privy to classified info..

Lets start with what you know about the Israeli Masons and Mossad. I'd love to know more.

Some of my stuff I heard directly from people in the know.



Mod Edit: again, please only quote what is necessary to make your point.

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posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by TrueLies
You go tell Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush Sr to declassify their files on ufo's, you go tell bush sr, his son, and other former us presidents that swore on the masonic bible to come clean and start being open about their secrets.
Go tell the Bilderberg's to stop holding secret meeting every year and to allow the press and you in.

I wish you the best of luck, perhaps this will happen though... in your dreams.


Agreed. I have noticed a lot of people when you try to talk to them about any of this respond " well what can you do about it" in a hopeles tone, when they have not any idea of the parameters, or who, or what. It is a damn lot of work to try and get to a point where you feel you have some sort of handle on it.


Cug

posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by peopledying

Why is it so difficult to get the idea that you normal Masons may have no idea of what is going on higher up!!! Why would you unless you are not "up there"?


You know it just might be because many of the Masons on this board are "higher up" If I'm not mistaken both Masonic Light, and senrak are both 32nd degree masons (The 33rd being pretty much an honorary degree) .



Do you really think you are privy to classified info..


Do you really think you're privy to classified info? Do you? I looked at some of the pages you posted as evidence and I found many false statements, now if they are claiming things I know to be false why should I put any weight on the things they say that I don't know about?



Some of my stuff I heard directly from people in the know.


Well people are stupid and they lie. For example I'm a car guy and have had many classic cars (Sigh stuck in a minivan for now), and every time I drove them I'd hear stories from people in the knowabout some super rare model that they used to own. I have had about 10 people claim they bought a new ZL1 1969 Corvette and they only built two of them! It's really sorta the same thing here... they just want bragging rights.



posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by peopledying

Why is it so difficult to get the idea that you normal Masons may have no idea of what is going on higher up!!! Why would you unless you are not "up there"?
The extent of Masonic / NWO infiltration of Israel is the subject of Barry Chamish's book, Traitors and Carpetbaggers in the Promise Land. The chapter, "Masons bused in Tel Aviv," reprinted at the conclusion of this report, identifies the crux of the matter:


"The Masons covet the Temple Mount, site of Solomon's Temple, because their mythology has the organization being established by one Hiram, the mason who supposedly built the Temple three thousand years ago."


The Legend of Hiram Abiff and its interpretation by former 33º Mason, Jim Shaw, reveals the Masonic worship and baptism of Master Masons into the Sun-god, Osiris. [ watch.pair.com... ]

Given the extensive infiltration of religious institutions by the occult syndicate, it is appropriate to state that the former categories (Roman Catholic, Jewish, Protestant) no longer apply. Having been hijacked by the syndicate, the major religions are now a convenient cover for the political operations of the New World Order. Alice Bailey announced such a Plan in 1922:

"Very definitely may the assurance be given here that, prior to the coming of the Christ, adjustments will be made so that at the head of all great organizations will be found either a Master, or an initiate who has taken the third initiation. At the head of certain of the great occult groups, of the Freemasons of the world, and of the various great divisions of the church, and resident in many of the great nations will be found initiates or Masters." (Initiation: Human And Solar, Lucis Pub., 1922, pp. 61-2)



You know it just might be because many of the Masons on this board are "higher up" If I'm not mistaken both Masonic Light, and senrak are both 32nd degree masons (The 33rd being pretty much an honorary degree) .




Don't get insulted. I'll take the blame for a sloppy term like "higher up"

I meant THIS kind of higher up:

Political Leaders USA:
Bill Clinton, Senior Demolay (Masonic youth group)
Newt Gingrich, 33rd Degree Freemason
Bob Dole, 33rd Degree Freemason
Jack Kemp, 33rd Degree Freemason
Storm Thurmond, 33rd Degree Freemason
Colin Powell, 33rd Degree Freemason, U.S. Secretary of State
Jesse Helms, 33rd Degree Freemason
Barry Goldwater, 33rd Degree Freemason
Al Gore, Freemason
George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, James Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Garfield, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Warren Harding, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George Bush were all Masonic Presidents of the U.S.A.

Political Leaders Canada

Canada has had twenty Prime Ministers since Confederation in 1867. Six of them have been Freemasons. 30% percent of all Prime Ministers are Freemasons. (that we know of)
Sir John A. MacDonald, Prime Minister of Canada 1867-1873 & 1878-1891
Sir John J.C. Abbott, Prime Minister of Canada 1891-1892
Sir Mackenzie Bowell, Prime Minister of Canada 1894-1896
Sir Robert L. Borden, Prime Minister of Canada 1911-1920
Viscount R.B. Bennett, Prime Minister of Canada 1930-1935
John G. Diefenbaker, Prime Minister of Canada 1957-1963



Political Leaders Australia

Sir Edmond Barton, Prime Minister of Australia 1901-1903
Sir George Huston Reid, Prime Minister of Australia 1904-1905
Sir Joseph Cook, Prime Minister of Australia 1913-1914
Vincent Stanley Melbourne Bruce, Prime Minister of Australia 1923-1929
Sir Earle Christmas Grafton Page, Prime Minister of Australia 1930-1939
Sir Robert Gordon Menzies, Prime Minister of Australia 1939-1941 & 1949-1966
Sir Arthur William Fadden, Prime Minister of Australia 1941
Sir John Grey Gorton, Prime Minister of Australia 1968-1971
Sir William McMahon, Prime Minister of Australia 1971-1972
Bob Hawke, Prime Minister of Australia



International Political Leaders

King Hussein, King of Jordan, deceased, 33rd Freemason
Yitzak Rabin , assassinated leader of Israel
Yassar Arafat, leader of the PLO
Prince Phillip, British Royalty
Duke of Kent, British Royalty
Winston Churchhill, British Leader



Religious Leaders

Billy Graham, World's most popular 'Christian' evangelist is a 33rd Degree Freemason
Norman Vincent Peale, 33rd Degree Freemason, ex Grand Chaplain of the Grand Lodge of New York, Past Grand Prelate of the Knights Templar and Shriner. (now deceased)
Robert Schuller, 33rd Degree Freemason, Pastor of the Crystal Cathedral and host of the popular "Hour of Power" television programme
Oral Roberts, 33rd Degree Freemason, founder of Oral Roberts University
Jesse Jackson, 33rd Degree Prince Hall Freemason
Louis Farrahkan, leader of the Nation Of Islam
Geoffrey Fisher, Archbishop of Canterbury 1945-1961
Father Francisco Calvo, Jesuit Catholic priest who started Freemasonry in Costa Rica
G. Bromley Oxnam, 33rd Degree Freemason, friend of Billy Graham, head of the FCC churches



Mormons, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon cult
Hyrum Smith, brother of Joseph Smith
Brigham Young, 2nd leader of the Mormon cult
Sidney Rigdon, early Mormon
Heber C. Kimball, wished that all men were Freemasons
Spencer Kimball , closet Freemason, grandchild of Herber, friend of Norman Vincent Peale

Economic Leaders

Two of the World's largest international banking dynasties namely the Rothschilds and the Rockefeller family are both Masonic families. Their combined wealth is incalculable. (much more research is in progress and this list will be added to)



Leaders and Founders of Satanic Cults

Aliester Crowley, 33rd & 97th Degree Freemason, self proclaimed 666 Beast, taught human sacrafice, wicked Satan worshipper and master satanist of this century
Gerald B. Gardner, founder of the modern Wiccan (white witchcraft) revival
Dr. Wynn Westcott, member of the Societas Rosicruciana and founding member of the occult Order of the Golden Dawn

Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, female co-freemason, wicked satanist, occult leader and co-founder of the Theosophical Society. Wrote occult classics entitled 'The Secret Doctrine' and 'Isis Unveiled' which state "It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God. Lucifer represents...Life...Thought...Progress...Civilization...Liberty...Independance...Lucifer is the Logos...the Serpent, the Savior". I have recieved evidence that this book is issued inside Masonic Lodge libraries and is being read by Masons and will present the proof soon.



Other Famous Freemasons

Rich DeVos, 33 Degree Freemason, founder of the Amway Corporation
Franz Anton Mesmer, practiced Mesmerism which led to Hypnotism
George Bush, 33rd Degree Freemason, ex-president of the USA, ex-director of the CIA
J. Edgar Hoover, 33rd Degree Freemason, Director of the FBI
Walt Disney, founder of the Disney Corporation
Giuseppe Mazzini, Italian Illuminati leader, friend of Albert Pike, founder of the Mafia


Do you really think you're privy to classified info? Do you? I looked at some of the pages you posted as evidence and I found many false statements, now if they are claiming things I know to be false why should I put any weight on the things they say that I don't know about?



I have mentioned my best sources in various posts. In this regard I am not speaking about masons specifically, more world events,, Zionism etc. . Some were face to face, some from radio, and some from face to face with friends. Included were FBI, CIA, special forces, ex-head of LA FBI, ex DEA etc.
Some of my stuff I heard directly from people in the know.

The entire perspective on most of my posts is to determine how influential masons at or near the top have been in world events. First one must determine who they were (powerful masons) and then try and determine what they did bad, if anything. This Mason discussion cannot take place in a vacum with so many world leaders being Masonic can it? Personally I have not beenasking if you are Cabballistic, Gnostic, etc although I would be interested to learn more about your philosophy. For the present I am talking about world power structure. If it is true you keep politics and religion out of your lodges then what ever you know about high-powered Masons would have to be gotten on the outside, same as for the populace right? Are you privy to all the lives of the world-powered 33 degreed?

And how about the above 33 degree I read mention of?

So first its who, then its what. If the who doesn't exist, such as if the above list is bogus then we don't have to determine what. If the list is valid then we have to look at what these men have been doing.

This is not illogical is it?

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posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 07:42 PM
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Someone mentioned Wikipedia so I had a look there

en.wikipedia.org...

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Interesting story of the P2 lodge.

I havn't come to any absolute conclusions but there is certaintly a lot issues for Masonry.


Cug

posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by peopledying
The extent of Masonic / NWO infiltration of Israel is the subject of Barry Chamish's book, Traitors and Carpetbaggers in the Promise Land. The chapter, "Masons bused in Tel Aviv," reprinted at the conclusion of this report, identifies the crux of the matter:
::snip::


Hey could you do me a favor and not start a reply with a quote from another site. Go ahead and quote to support an opinion you have. I mean I'm having a disscussion with you and I'd like to hear what you think... not what other people have wrote.




Don't get insulted. I'll take the blame for a sloppy term like "higher up"


Why should I be insulted? I'm not a mason



I meant THIS kind of higher up:

Political Leaders USA:
Bill Clinton, Senior Demolay (Masonic youth group)
Newt Gingrich, 33rd Degree Freemason
Bob Dole, 33rd Degree Freemason
Jack Kemp, 33rd Degree Freemason
Storm Thurmond, 33rd Degree Freemason
Colin Powell, 33rd Degree Freemason, U.S. Secretary of State
Jesse Helms, 33rd Degree Freemason
Barry Goldwater, 33rd Degree Freemason
Al Gore, Freemason
George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, James Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Garfield, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Warren Harding, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George Bush were all Masonic Presidents of the U.S.A.
::SNIP::


SIGH another quote form someone else....anyway

Just off the top of my head. Bush Sr/jr, Reagan, Clinton, Gingrich and Powell are not masons. Another case of why should I believe the rest of the list of other nations big-wigs is any less flawed?



Leaders and Founders of Satanic Cults

Aliester Crowley, 33rd & 97th Degree Freemason, self proclaimed 666 Beast, taught human sacrafice, wicked Satan worshipper and master satanist of this century


Again another thing I know for a fact. Crowley was not a satan worshiper, and never taught human sacrifice. And he was never a member of regular freemasonery. He was a member of some irregular lodges. You could say these were forgerys of Masonery. Now if you bought a Rolex watch on a street corner and it broke the next day, would that effect your opinion of a real Rolex?



Dr. Wynn Westcott, member of the Societas Rosicruciana and founding member of the occult Order of the Golden Dawn


Hey! you got one right!



Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, female co-freemason, wicked satanist, occult leader and co-founder of the Theosophical Society. Wrote occult classics entitled 'The Secret Doctrine' and 'Isis Unveiled' which state "It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God. Lucifer represents...Life...Thought...Progress...Civilization...Liberty...Independance...Lucifer is the Logos...the Serpent, the Savior". I have recieved evidence that this book is issued inside Masonic Lodge libraries and is being read by Masons and will present the proof soon.


Again.. she was not a satanist and she was not a co-mason.. she was a Mason, and we all know women cant be Masons so she is automaticly a member of an irregular Lodge.

And what do you mean by "issued" that sounds like something that is required reading? I don't doubt that her books might be found in a lodges collection for the more esotaricly minded person to check out. But like the general population, I would not think it's all that popular choice of reading material for Joe Mason.



I have mentioned my best sources in various posts.


I'm sorry but your best sources seem to have many flaws.



The entire perspective on most of my posts is to determine how influential masons at or near the top have been in world events. First one must determine who they were (powerful masons) and then try and determine what they did bad, if anything.


Well you haven't determed who they are yet!



This Mason discussion cannot take place in a vacum with so many world leaders being Masonic can it?


They havent, 14 out of 43 Presidents less than half, and only one after WWII (LBJ who never made it past the 1st not included).



Personally I have not beenasking if you are Cabballistic, Gnostic, etc although I would be interested to learn more about your philosophy.


I'm a Thelemite, my Religion or Philosophy (wiich one is much debated in the Thelemic comunity) is Thelema. In other words I following the "teachings" of Aleister Crowley. More info here www.thelemapedia.org... if your interested.



For the present I am talking about world power structure. If it is true you keep politics and religion out of your lodges then what ever you know about high-powered Masons would have to be gotten on the outside, same as for the populace right? Are you privy to all the lives of the world-powered 33 degreed?


Again are you?



And how about the above 33 degree I read mention of?


It's not part of regular Fremasonery again think "forged."



So first its who, then its what. If the who doesn't exist, such as if the above list is bogus then we don't have to determine what. If the list is valid then we have to look at what these men have been doing.

This is not illogical is it?


Nope not illogical at all. The list is flawed

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posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 08:47 PM
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Sorry if there are some errors, I did not compile it nor did I complile the Wikipedia list and I don't carry a list around with me nor in my head.

From a Masonic site:
www.mastermason.com...

Ronald Reagan has often been referred to as a Freemason. President Reagan is not a Freemason although he is an honorary member of the Imperial Council of the Shrine. President Reagan has on numerous occasions been involved in Shrine and masonic functions throughout his career.

The confusion as to his membership arises from a ceremony held in the Oval Office of the White House on February 11th, 1988, when a group of Freemasons presented President Reagan with a certificate of honor from the Grand Lodge of Washington, D.C., then he was made an Honourary Scottish Rite mason. The title of Freemason can only be conferred by a Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons. In Reagan's case this was not done, probably because the ceremonies would have taken a full day to confer and the president's time was limited; therefore,President Reagan should only be referred to as a Shriner or Scottish Rite mason. The Shrine and Scottish Rite are concordant bodies and cannot confer the title Freemason on any person.

George Bush has also on numerous occasions been referred to as a Freemason.The confusion as to President Bush being a member arises from the swearing in ceremonies at his inauguration. President Bush took his oath of office on the George Washington Bible which belongs to St. Johns Lodge in New York City. Because the Bible belonged to a Masonic Lodge many writers assumed he was a Freemason. The Bible was used at the request of the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies

This Bible was first used on April 30, 1789, by the Grand Master of the Masons in New York, to administer the oath of office to George Washington, the first president. Other presidents who took their oath of office with this Bible are Warren G. Harding, Dwight D. Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter.

Ok so some technical misses.

Heres a link about Powell and some others. www.rense.com...

By the way I asked before where you get your definitive Mason list and I got no response. Do you know thses guys that well?

Would you like to toss out the Wikipedia list as a whole as well?

My God less than half of the older presidents were Masons! Is that not a huge percentage? And all the other people?

I asked you first if you were privy and you did not reply so why ask me? I at least gave you my sources were were not flawed.

I try to find time to check out the Thelemic comunity. I have heard of them before.



posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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I was reading Jim Shaw's account of his 33 degree experience:


www.conspiracyarchive.com...

This part made remember something else I read and could explain why even 33 have a parting of the ways, oh yes it was when I was reading about the Order of The Garter and the portal or siphoning off of only "suitable" 33s for the Jesuit association. This could explain how the nice guys, such as present company, get left out og the "highr" equation.

"When my turn came I was ushered into the office and seated. The very first question I was asked was, "Of what religion are you?" Not long before this I would have answered with something like, "I believe the Ancient Mysteries, the 'Old Religion,' and I believe in reincarnation." However, without thinking at all about how to answer, I found myself saying, "I am a Christian."

Then, to my sup rise and theirs, I asked them, "Are you men born again?" The man in charge quickly stopped me by saying, "We're not here to talk about that - we are here to ask you questions."

After they sent me back out I sat down and thought about it. When the next man came out, I asked him, "Did they ask you if you are a Christian?" He said, "Yes, they did."

"What did you tell them?" I asked, and he replied, "I told them 'Hell no, and I never intend to be!'"

Then he said a strange thing to me, "They said I'm going higher," and he left through a different door, looking pleased. "



Now I will here all the reason Jim Shaw is not to be listened to probably.


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posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 09:25 PM
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Cug, seems you may have been right about Crowley not doing human scarafice at least according to one source:


altreligion.about.com...

Did Crowley really sacrifice children?

No. Most of the rumors concerning "child sacrifice" stem from disingenuous misquoting of a passage from his book Magick in Theory and Practice:

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. "

Even though he is quoting someone else, taken out of context, this seems pretty damning. However, Crowley was in fact discussing ritual masturbation, which he believed consituted a form of "sacrifice," according to the old biblical idea of preventing contraception by "spilling seed." As he explains in his footnote on the same page, "... 'It is the sacrifice of oneself spiritually. And the intelligence and innocence of that male child are the perfect understanding of the Magician, his one aim, without lust of result. And male he must be, because what he sacrifices is not the material blood, but his creative power.' ..."




www.lashtal.com...

"You advocate, as a magician, sacrifice and bloody sacrifice? - Not in the sense in which you mean.

Counsel read from a book o­n "Magick," written by Mr. Crowley, in which it was stated that bloody sacrifice was the most efficacious in practising magic, and that human sacrifice was best.

"A SCIENTIFIC THEORY"

Is that part of your theory of White Magic? - It is a scientific theory.

Do you believe in the theory of bloody sacrifice? - I believe in it’s efficacy.

And, therefore, you believe it could be practised without impropriety? - I do not approve of it at all.

Mr. Crowley said that at o­ne period he conducted ceremonies of the "Rites of Eluisis," and as a result a being was caused to take human form and be seen.

Do you think that any ordinary person might suppose that that was Black Magic? - I cannot tell what any ordinary person would suppose about anything. "


Somehow I still think I would not let my kids go play over at his place.





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Cug

posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by peopledying
Sorry if there are some errors, I did not compile it nor did I complile the Wikipedia list and I don't carry a list around with me nor in my head.


I know you didn't compile it.. If I'm trying to convince you of anything it is to do your own research. If you see a list like that, check it out! Make your own list of known Freemasons and use that as the basics of any theory you might have. Posting a list with non-masons on it just to make it look "worse" is not a smart idea. People will find out and disregard anything you say. Put it this way if you went out to buy an encyclopedia set for your children's education, and it stated that the moon was made of cheese would you buy it? Nope you would think the people who put it out are idiots, right?




By the way I asked before where you get your definitive Mason list and I got no response. Do you know thses guys that well?


I doubt there is a "definitive" list that is publicly available. Just like you can't get a definitive list of who works for walmart. But the simple fact is Masons are damn proud to be Masons and will happly tell you if they are. Just look at all the bumper stickers, rings, tie tacs, many town have signs with the Local lodge number near the Welcome to Anytown signs. And to tell the truth I'd think many Masons show a bit of pride when one of their own is someone noteable so there is now reason to hide that fact. I'm also a amateur radio operator, and I get the same feelings when Walter Cronkite, Joe Walsh, Berry Goldwater, etc.. are mentioned as Hams, It's just human nature. Anyway if you want a list of famous masons check out this site www.masonicinfo.com... I have seen it mentioned as a very good list.




My God less than half of the older presidents were Masons! Is that not a huge percentage? And all the other people?


Sure is... But why make up the rest?



I asked you first if you were privy and you did not reply so why ask me?


I just was wondering what all powerful group you belonged to to get info not available to us low level types.




Now I will here all the reason Jim Shaw is not to be listened to probably.


www.masonicinfo.com...


Looks like no 33 mason there (and even his supporters admit that he can't prove his 33rd)



Cug, seems you may have been right about Crowley not doing human scarafice at least according to one source


Yep I read his books for myself, I don't just trust what others said he wrote. it's called research.



posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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I'd be interested to hear other people's theories on how to take down Secret Societies & to stop the New World Order. Realistic views on this please, not just buy guns, start shooting them when they come to get my guns, etc.

Be as informative as possible as you possibly can & think this thru.


Cug

posted on Nov, 29 2005 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanLeonidas
I'd be interested to hear other people's theories on how to take down Secret Societies & to stop the New World Order.


Only one way..

You have to prove they are harmful beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You know talk like this gives me the willies.
it seems that you want to cause harm to me and or my friends.

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posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 12:21 AM
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Why would I want to hurt you, I don't even know you? I think you should re-read that post.


Cug

posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by SpartanLeonidas
Why would I want to hurt you, I don't even know you?


Well I'm a member of a "Secret Society" a future member of another, and I have friends who are in many others. You want to "Take us down" That sure doesn't sound like something positive!



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 01:07 AM
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altreligion.about.com...

Did Crowley really sacrifice children?

No. Most of the rumors concerning "child sacrifice" stem from disingenuous misquoting of a passage from his book Magick in Theory and Practice:

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. "

Even though he is quoting someone else, taken out of context, this seems pretty damning. However, Crowley was in fact discussing ritual masturbation, which he believed consituted a form of "sacrifice," according to the old biblical idea of preventing contraception by "spilling seed." As he explains in his footnote on the same page, "... 'It is the sacrifice of oneself spiritually. And the intelligence and innocence of that male child are the perfect understanding of the Magician, his one aim, without lust of result. And male he must be, because what he sacrifices is not the material blood, but his creative power.' ..."


I feel there is something I should mention:

Crowley may have never sacrificed a child but he was certainly an abuser of children. It gets worse though because modern Satanists do in fact follow Crowley’s writing as a guide or text book.

Crowley was referring to the ancient magicians and they would steal the creative "ether" from another animal or human by calling upon the Lesser Key's -Grim- etc and request or bind a demon like (ASMODAY or BELIAL), through rutual killing of the animal or human within the magic circle thus at the moment of death stealing ALL the creative "ether" life-force of the victim into the magician. Also, they often eat the organs of the victim (while still warm), drink the blood and wear the body parts as charms/protection etc.

Depending on which demon-form they which to invoke they would decide whether it be a male or female but still no greater sacrifice can be made than the male child.

Don't let them tell you otherwise peopledying - they speak pure rubbish and these practices DO continue to occur today but remain hidden everywhere from remote places like Bohemian grove, to the homes of practicing Satanists.

Markusjharper


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posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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How would you stop the Secret societies?

I'd be interested to hear other people's theories on how to take down Secret Societies & to stop the New World Order. Realistic views on this please, not just buy guns, start shooting them when they come to get my guns, etc.

Be as informative as possible as you possibly can & think this thru.


I'll help you hunt down the Jesuits first. www.vaticanassassins.org



posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 01:37 AM
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Drop a U2U, so at least it will be kept private. Keeping secrets is the best way to go when going down on all fours, crawling on your belly, & setting a man in your sights for assasination. =)


Cug

posted on Nov, 30 2005 @ 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

Crowley may have never sacrificed a child but he was certainly an abuser of children.


What makes you say that?



It gets worse though because modern Satanists do in fact follow Crowley’s writing as a guide or text book.


Modern Satanists think Crowley was a wuss.


The Satanic Bible by Anton LeVey
Aside from some rather charming poetry and a smattering of magical bric-a-brac, when not climbing mountains Crowley spent most of his time as a poseur par excellence and worked overtime to be wicked.


Yep real followers those Satanists



Don't let them tell you otherwise peopledying -


Right!
Don't let anyone tell you.. them us whoever.. look it up yourself! It's chapter 12 of Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice (You can find it online). You should be able to see what markus overlooked. Crowley is talking about Sex Magick.. That's the "BIG Secret" he even mentions that he is not using the word sacrifice as it is commonly used, and he even warns the reader not to do it until they fully understands what it means.



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