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1-Will referral to UN Security Council press Iran to cooperate?
2-Will it help in solving the problem?
3-Will UN Security Council be able give a clear, unanimous, decision on this subject?
4-Once in the UN, will the decision of the Council be implemented under UN authority or will it be a solo-act of USA?
Originally posted by bodrul
what do they have to fear?
they get refferd and China and Russia just have to veto
the worst thing that could happen is US santions against Iran
oh forgot thats been done so
Yeah, thats the strategy. Say they will end checks if reffered to the SC, then when they are, they have China and Russia to veto, and then they can stop allowing checks and build nukes.
No, the worst that could happen is the US invades. More likely, the US will just blow up their nuclear sites and call it a day.
Originally posted by Phoenix
If its a peaceful program with nothing to hide then one must ask, why go to this extent to stymie the questions about their program?
Originally posted by Seekerof
Its that same attitude that portray that has Iran in the position that it is in, NR.
At the rate that Iran is going in maintaining that attitude, it is driving more and more nations to believe that Iran has something to truly hide in regards to their professed "peaceful intent" nuclear program.
Again, if Iran does not have anything to hide, then why not allow the UN nuclear inspections teams to do their jobs? Be assured that if this situation continues on the course it is now going, even Russia and China will eventually be persuaded to side with those other nations questioning Iran over their nuclear program(s). The only reason that have not is because Iran is a major buyer of both Russian and Chinese military equipment.
seekerof
[edit on 20-11-2005 by Seekerof]
Originally posted by NR
That has to be one of the funniest posts i have heard in a long time, what attitude would that be? how are we getting in the U.N.'s way?
as posted by NR
I hope we do get reffered to UNSC so that we can kick all those two-faced ***** out!.
You also claim Russia and China will be against us which i find the most halarious because if you think about it we gone through this 2 years now and they are still siding with us so good luck on that one!.
As I mentioned: it is only because Iran's currency is still viable in buying those military hardwares from Russia and China. Time will tell, but even they can be persuaded to go against Iran, if matters persist on the course they currently are, NR. And they you claim that Iran does "not need to buy," from Russia or China, I find what you assert as being ludicrous, because quite frankly, Iran is military hardware from both Russia and China. Furthermore, you are being aided by them in military technology transfers, etc, which does not come without Iranian currency being allocated/given.
Your stance is 'a' typical of one being in support of the radical mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard. Have you goose-stepped lately?
Originally posted by bodrul
curious if someone is on your ignore list how can they read your replys?
what the heck might aswell reply to mad man
yeap keep on dreaming
they have every right to do what they are doing
they have cooperated with the UN and so on with their nuclear tec and have made things clear from day one
and start a full scale war and send Iraq into caos since they are LARGELY shia'te and are forming closer ties with Iran
and unlike Iraq im sure Iran have some form of deffence or counter attack which would claim a few US ships and so on before going down
so Mad man bush would think twice before going on his little venture
Originally posted by NR
Since were a big buyer for Chinese and Russian military equipment than care to show all of us the new things we bought or you have seen?.
www.fas.org...
The total value of arms transfer agreements by China with Iran fell from $800 million to $100 million during the periods from 1996-1999 to 2000-2003 respectively. The value of Russia’s arms transfer agreements with Iran fell from $400 million in the earlier period to $200 million from 2000-2003.
Originally posted by AceOfBase
Iran is not as big of a buyer as they once were but they are still buying some weapons from Russia and China.
Originally posted by NR
Think about it, do you think Russia will lose its top 5 biggest economic trade partner? what about China? ...... Since were a big buyer for Chinese and Russian military equipment than care to show all of us the new things we bought or you have seen?.
Originally posted by NR
As I mentioned: it is only because Iran's currency is still viable in buying those military hardwares from Russia and China. Time will tell, but even they can be persuaded to go against Iran, if matters persist on the course they currently are, NR. And they you claim that Iran does "not need to buy," from Russia or China, I find what you assert as being ludicrous, because quite frankly, Iran is military hardware from both Russia and China. Furthermore, you are being aided by them in military technology transfers, etc, which does not come without Iranian currency being allocated/given.
Your stance is 'a' typical of one being in support of the radical mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard. Have you goose-stepped lately?
Think about it, do you think Russia will lose its top 5 biggest economic trade partner? what about China? You don't answer my questions intead you keep skipping and try and make more false accusations. Since were a big buyer for Chinese and Russian military equipment than care to show all of us the new things we bought or you have seen?.
Well what about RPG's and AK-47's do you manufacture your own version of these?
by bodrul:
they have cooperated with the UN and so on with their nuclear tec and have made things clear from day one
Iran's relationship with China may now eclipse that of Russia in military equipment sales. A $4.5-billion deal was announced in September. It is reported to include combat aircraft, fast patrol boats, multiple rocket launchers, armoured personnel carriers, surface-to-surface missiles, and missile launchers. Iran is to pay China over five years with cash and oil. Equipment that Iran has received already through procurement agreements with China include the F-8 Finback fighter, Hudong missile patrol boats that carry the C-802 ASCM, Silkworm ASCM, EM-52 rising mine, and various MBTs. China also is believed to be Iran's principle source of chemical weapon precursors and production technology, as well as pre-nuclear technology in the form of small research reactors and technical assistance in developing uranium resources.
[edit for emphasis]
In Iran, 70% of industry is state-owned. All strategic heavy industries, particularly armaments, are state-owned. The petroleum and gas industries were nationalized in 1979. Banking is state-owned. Radio and TV broadcasting are a state monopoly and satellite dishes are banned. State-owned Iran Air carries three quarters of all Iranian air passengers. The Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance controls all 1,500 libraries. There were about 500 newspapers a few years ago but the government has closed scores recently
As AMM has stated, Iran has not been entirely transparent with regards to disclosure to the IAEA.
IAEA Says Iran Failed to Disclose Key Nuclear Activities
As for NR's comment concerning Iran's lack of dependence on arms purchases from Russia and China ...
LINK
The majority of Iranian military might, whether actual hardware or the technology to manufacture such, has been purchased.Yes, more and more, they are manufacturing their own hardware, but most of this is being accomplished using technology and/or components that have been purchased. While Iran does manufacture their own infantry related weaponry, i.e. AK-47s, RPG-7s, and light mortars, and more recently tanks,APCs, etc. they remain reliant upon the Soviets and China for much of their aircraft and pre-nuclear tech.