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posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
The offerings have been made--we have a High Priest now who took care of those types of things.


I'm glad we can agree here.


Originally posted by queenannie38
However, I made no mention of sacrifices and oblations, although I do give personal offering unto the LORD--since I have no crops they are of a different nature. I was speaking of feasts, though--the three feasts of the year.


The sacrifices were an integral part of the passages you were quoting. Not sure how you can piece-meal them to suit.


Originally posted by queenannie38
And yes, I do keep them.


That's nice. Fortunately for us, Christ gives the criteria for who has eternal life...and it isn't who celebrates what feasts and when.

I'm not sure why you're looking to use an Old Testament (covenant) verse to try to discount a New Testament (covenant) one, but to clarify, Christ did not say, "Do this in rememberance of passover". He said "Do this in rememberance of me". I don't know how to make that more clear. We remember Christ at this gathering.

Hebrews 8:13
"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear."

2 Corinthians 3:6
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Luke 22:20
"In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."

1 Corinthians 11:25
"In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

Hebrews 9:15
"For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant."

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posted on Aug, 3 2006 @ 05:49 PM
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To view a photo taken in a Peruvian Catholic Monestary of what I suspect is the template used for the Swastika go here...

img15.imgspot.com...

So do the Catholics and Jews have a common HIStory?
And for those that thru the filters of Faith and Denial refuse to see, those who cannot see the symbol within the symbol...please view this image.

img15.imgspot.com.../u/06/136/03/SantaCatalinaCr ossandNaziSwastika1147849803.JPG

For the entire post go here...scroll down 3 posts.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I do agree the Vatican went bad long ago...
Responsible for at least 100 million deaths in the Americas.
So it has been suggested 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust, those who authored the Torah.
But together how many indigenous peoples have the Jews, Christians and Muslims butchered claiming 'Chosen' status.

Oy Vey!

Those that are the victors really do write the HIStory.
Don't we?

Namaste

Raphael

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posted on Aug, 4 2006 @ 06:59 AM
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Actually is San Diego the home of a secretly escaped Adolf Hitler?



No no, could it be the native americans started it all?



Or was it the Canadian women's hockey team?



Wait! It's Coca Cola's fault?




Originally posted by Kachina
But together how many indigenous peoples have the Jews, Christians and Muslims butchered claiming 'Chosen' status.


How many indigenous peoples have the Christians butchered claiming 'Chosen' status?

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posted on Aug, 4 2006 @ 01:23 PM
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though i'm twitching with anger
i will post.. so are you saying that satanist religions are right



posted on Aug, 4 2006 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by ArtemisFowl
though i'm twitching with anger
i will post.. so are you saying that satanist religions are right


Whoa, hey, I hope this wasn't directed to me. If so, please calm down so we can discuss. Firstly, my demonstration is to show that the swastika symbol was not the Nazi's invention. They took it, utilized it for their purpose and representation. It is not Christian and see no reference to a swastika in Christian history. I recommend for anyone who does not know the history of the swastika to either read this link www.reclaimtheswastika.com... or get the information from any credible history book regarding what the Native Americans regarded as "the lucky star".

Moving on. Not sure what satanism has to do with anything recently posted, but will address. Satanists are right to say that Satan exists. They are not right if they were to say he's a benevolent, loving master. Not all lies are void of truth. Many times lies contain half-truths. The truth however, is free of lies.

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posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
It is not Christian and see no reference to a swastika in Christian history.


This is incorrect and it can be shown that the swastika was the most COMMON cross carried by pagan Christians in the 1st and 2nd century...

Then in the 3rd Century > Constantine embraces Christianity > Rome > Crucifix replaces the Tau Cross as the cross upon which Jesus was crucified.
The swastika was employed more by the Greeks.

namaste

Raphael



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posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 03:06 PM
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I have not read anyone else’s responses this just responding my views to this.


1. That God is a flame and fire

God used flame and fire for his own purpose of guiding the Adam’s blood line to safety other wise if for example Sodom then they would have threatened man kinds progress and Destroyed the convent with God’s chosen people which had a purpose to fulfil.

2. That God encouraged incest

I am not sure where in the Bible but even so Adam and Eve had to start mankind
anyway. Because as man’s sin got greater the mixing of blood relatives corrupted, remember Adam was pure and through the ages our Sin virus got greater so when the time came God stopped it as we could no longer mix like that. God had specific rules for the Israelite tribes until covenants were made with him.

3. 3. That God encourages cannibalism

I am not sure where that is in the Bible, God did not want drinking of animal blood so it does not make sense, and if there is an argument them we have to see what perspective this is from.

4. 4. That God had people’s hand, feet and heads cut off
God then had set rules for the Israelite tribes, it was their way of life as authority was different then. Certain rules and commands had reasons God does not say or do without positive out comes.

5. 5. That God had tens of thousands killed cause they could not spread a word properly when talking.


GOOD I say because I understand the true reasons behind it. Most of it was due to the Giants or Nephilin race that was genetically mixed with Angel and MAN. This corrupted the blood line to God’s chosen plan for example Genesis 6, guess schools won’t tell you the truth of the flood story. Will they now? I Guess the whole Bible teaching in education is coming down, wonder why? What forces are at work?

6. 6. That Sampson went around killing people and tearing them apart and it was all good with God (and this is after the ' thou shall not's ')

Samson was an example or test for God it had more political and spiritual reasons for that time, one as an individual and two the geo-politics of that time. God uses people to mark events in history or to test man’s relationship to to him. Some like JOB was tested to see if Satan could defeat the faith he had in God. Guess it was also a medal for mankind against the Devil.

7. That God is a war monger

God makes war with justifying reasons, to establish his word, covenants, Promised Land, the Adamite bloodline through to Jesus and the 144,000 that is prophesised till the very end of Jesus’ return when the Jews get their land back and the Third temple built which is now occupied by the Muslim shrine for the last 1400 years, we are still waiting for the Jews to fulfil that 3rd temple on Temple Mount.
8.That he himself has said he is vengeful, fearful, cruel, and more...

Like a parent God speaks to his child, depends what they do they have to stay in line.

7. That this list could go on and on...

Of course if you don’t understand the truth. Even if its fiction you still have to understand the reason real or not.

8. In the old testament God killed over 10 million people

Maybe killed more but with reason, even babies and children and women. WHY?
Because they would have halted the Billions saved since, we would not be here to chat about it’s when man reaches a crises point a stand still God comes into play. The Children would have known and started it over again. Jesus said he will only return when man is about to destroy him self. He is also going to destroy Persia when this time comes (IRAN) that is as it will try and destroy the Jews, that is one of the end time signs. Not one that has happened, one that has yet to happen by fire like Sodom.

Satan doe not want the Jews on earth, nor does he want Israel their promised land, nor does he want them to fulfil God’s promise. Muslims want exactly as the Bible warns us that Satan and those ignorant to all this scenario to join his the battle against the Jews. Civilisations just fall away when the Jewish spiritual agenda is passing through time. No one has defeated them, the Egyptians-where are they? The Greeks, Babylonians, Romans, Nazis, Muslims during their sword baring conquests (650AD) to take over land and of course present day Muslims. None have wiped them out they all wanted to and even now it seems the world wants to rid of them especially the Muslims for that tiny bit of land. Remember semi-humans ran the surrounding areas of Israel and spiritually demonic controlled, that is why efforts are mounting like history has already shown down the same path. Man is on course again to repeat why they have gone wrong even if we thing we are more advanced we are heading down the same path, easy fro God to predict it as it is written it will.



posted on Aug, 5 2006 @ 08:31 PM
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Satan doe not want the Jews on earth, nor does he want Israel their promised land, nor does he want them to fulfil God’s promise. Muslims want exactly as the Bible warns us that Satan and those ignorant to all this scenario to join his the battle against the Jews. Civilisations just fall away when the Jewish spiritual agenda is passing through time. No one has defeated them, the Egyptians-where are they? The Greeks, Babylonians, Romans, Nazis, Muslims during their sword baring conquests (650AD) to take over land and of course present day Muslims. None have wiped them out they all wanted to and even now it seems the world wants to rid of them especially the Muslims for that tiny bit of land. Remember semi-humans ran the surrounding areas of Israel and spiritually demonic controlled, that is why efforts are mounting like history has already shown down the same path. Man is on course again to repeat why they have gone wrong even if we thing we are more advanced we are heading down the same path, easy fro God to predict it as it is written it will.


I was always told Earth was Satan's domain, so if you are correct as you have suggested that the Jewish race cannot be defeated, as small as their numbers are, what would that suggest as to where their source of power emanates?

Be careful how you frame the HIStory of these persecuted people.

namaste

Raphael



posted on Aug, 7 2006 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Kachina
This is incorrect and it can be shown that the swastika was the most COMMON cross carried by pagan Christians in the 1st and 2nd century...


I'm more than willing to be corrected. Can you show me please? By the way "pagan Christian" is an oxymoron. It's the same as saying and unbelieving believer.


Originally posted by Kachina
Then in the 3rd Century > Constantine embraces Christianity > Rome > Crucifix replaces the Tau Cross as the cross upon which Jesus was crucified.


Okay, Tau Cross doesn't look like a swastika either: www.thecross-photo.com... . Please clarify.



Originally posted by Kachina
The swastika was employed more by the Greeks.

namaste

Raphael


Like this?:

"It starts out with a discussion of the use of the swastika throughout the Mediterranean region in close connection with goddesses such as the Greek Athene and Artemis. the Artemis graphic is particularly striking, and rich in symbolism"

Christianity did not originate nor endorse endorse Athene and Artemis. It's against the whole "You shall have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3)

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posted on Aug, 8 2006 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
I just dont understand how a Christian can justify a Sunday Sabbath

That's no justification for forsaking God's decrees!

See Leviticus chapter 23, Saint4God--there are 3 obligatory feasts each year. These have not been nullified, nor will they be


I know I recently brought this over to another thread, but perhaps it would be better suited here to discuss in more detail. What I'd like to point out is the difference between nullification and fulfillment. Christ discusses on a number of occasions about what this means.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Paul in his letter to the Ephesians post-resurrection:

Ephesians 2:14
"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,"

Jesus died without sin carrying all our sin for us, those who believe and trust in him to do so. It is the perfect atonement. This is further demonstrated here:

Colossians 2:16-17
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

I don't know if you seen all the names you've called me (and associates) since we've known each other, and the number of false claims that we're dishonoring God (by not keeping same three holydays you keep, for example) Queenannie, but I'm hoping just once more you'll read and consider these words above. I did not go meditate through a three year discourse as you have (still unclear on why this is necessary), nor do I see it required in God's Word.

Romans 10:4
"Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."

Bottom line is this. Either you believe in Christ's words, or you do not. If you do, you are a Christian. Welcome to the family. Sorry if you're not a fan of the brothers and sisters you'll see in eternity but one way or another we're gonna have to get along eventually. Why you insist upon railing against others who have been promised the gift of eternal life I'll never know. If you do not believe in Christ's words, I know not why someone would wish to intermingle worldly views with God's views since they are in conflict.


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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Kachina
This is incorrect and it can be shown that the swastika was the most COMMON cross carried by pagan Christians in the 1st and 2nd century...


I'm more than willing to be corrected. Can you show me please? By the way "pagan Christian" is an oxymoron. It's the same as saying and unbelieving believer.


I can understand such a claim being challenged.
Think about this though…the Greeks and Jews parted in the interpretations.
Here is that reference you seek.

“The Swastika was the cross of the Manicheans and was their sole symbol. During the second and third centuries the swastika was the only form of cross used by the Christians.
The swastika touched everywhere, and wherever it appeared, like the wheel, it was looked upon as the symbolical representation of solar energy…”

-Ancient Pagan Symbols by Elisabeth Goldsmith Page 97


Manichaeism originated in 3rd Century Babylon (a province of Persia at the time), and reached, over the span of the next ten centuries, from North Africa in the west, to China in the East. The original texts of Manichaeism were composed in Syriac-Aramaic. As they spread to the east, the writings of the religion passed through Middle Persian, Parthian, Sogdian, and ultimately Uyghur Turkish and Chinese translations. As they spread to the west, they were translated into Greek, Coptic, and Latin. As Manichaeism passed through time, location, and language, it also adapted new religious deities from the surrounding religions into the Manichaean scriptures. Thus, as the original Aramaic texts were translated into Iranian languages, the names of the Manichaean deities (or angels) were often transformed into the names of Zoroastrian yazatas.
en.wikipedia.org...



Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Kachina
Then in the 3rd Century > Constantine embraces Christianity > Rome > Crucifix replaces the Tau Cross as the cross upon which Jesus was crucified.


Okay, Tau Cross doesn't look like a swastika either: www.thecross-photo.com... . Please clarify.


Did I say the Tau Cross looks like the swastika?
I suggested it replaced the swastika in a chain of events.


The 'Crux Commissa' is a 'T' shaped cross; 'Commissa' meaning 'joined' or 'attached'. The more widely known names are the Tau Cross (St. Anthony's Cross) and the Forked Cross (Y-shaped Cross).


Are you familiar with the Jerusalem Cross saint4God?
www.seiyaku.com...

Now that you have seen the Jerusalem Cross compare the image to this…
en.wikipedia.org...
The Hindus, Buddhist and Judaism coincidentally place the 4 dots in the 4 quadrants.

Spend some time on that website and soon you will begin to see patterns.
Then I will ask you saint4God whether you believe Jesus was crucified on a Stake, a Tree, a Tau Cross, a Forked Cross, a Greek Square Cross or a Latin Cross more commonly known as the Crucifix?

If you like I can post what I believe the shaded areas of the swastika symbolically represents?


Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Kachina
The swastika was employed more by the Greeks.

namaste

Raphael


Like this?:

"It starts out with a discussion of the use of the swastika throughout the Mediterranean region in close connection with goddesses such as the Greek Athene and Artemis. the Artemis graphic is particularly striking, and rich in symbolism"

Christianity did not originate nor endorse endorse Athene and Artemis. It's against the whole "You shall have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3)

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How many different Christian sects were there long ago?
Was not the Council of Nicaea specifically called to deal with the many different Christian beliefs?
You subscribe to simply one literal interpretation.

Go to those sites, come back, lets talk.

Namaste

Raphael


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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Kachina
I can understand such a claim being challenged.
Think about this though…the Greeks and Jews parted in the interpretations.
Here is that reference you seek.


“The Swastika was the cross of the Manicheans and was their sole symbol. During the second and third centuries the swastika was the only form of cross used by the Christians.
The swastika touched everywhere, and wherever it appeared, like the wheel, it was looked upon as the symbolical representation of solar energy…”

-Ancient Pagan Symbols by Elisabeth Goldsmith Page 97


Why is this book by Goldsmith contradictory to the many encyclopedic references found online? How does "solar energy" relate to Christianity whatsoever? And, how much does Goldsmith's book cost? I disagree that it was "the only form of cross used by Christians" based on the history of cultures that used it before and the lack of appearance in Christian culture during these times. It may have been adopted by some groups for a period of time but not for the purpose of Christianity.


Originally posted by Kachina

Manichaeism originated in 3rd Century Babylon (a province of Persia at the time), and reached, over the span of the next ten centuries, from North Africa in the west, to China in the East. The original texts of Manichaeism were composed in Syriac-Aramaic. As they spread to the east, the writings of the religion passed through Middle Persian, Parthian, Sogdian, and ultimately Uyghur Turkish and Chinese translations. As they spread to the west, they were translated into Greek, Coptic, and Latin. As Manichaeism passed through time, location, and language, it also adapted new religious deities from the surrounding religions into the Manichaean scriptures. Thus, as the original Aramaic texts were translated into Iranian languages, the names of the Manichaean deities (or angels) were often transformed into the names of Zoroastrian yazatas.
en.wikipedia.org...


Supposing wikipedia is a valid source of information (also of which I disagree it is), since it is an editable encyclopedia, it still fails to establish any substantiation that the swastika was a Christian-created and utilized symbol. I've been meaning to re-write wikipedia when I have the time.



Originally posted by Kachina
Did I say the Tau Cross looks like the swastika?
I suggested it replaced the swastika in a chain of events.


Mkay. I thought you were looking to make a connection between the two.


Originally posted by Kachina
Are you familiar with the Jerusalem Cross saint4God?
www.seiyaku.com...


I see a few "thrown into the mix" that don't belong. They do not root in Christianity. Most do, but not all. Pretty assumptive by the author and not extensively explained if it is well researched. There's some good examples and explanations, but this is not a Christian symbol as implied on one of the pages of the site:



Look! It's a cross!
Bolshoi


Originally posted by Kachina
Now that you have seen the Jerusalem Cross compare the image to this…
en.wikipedia.org...
The Hindus, Buddhist and Judaism coincidentally place the 4 dots in the 4 quadrants.


*shrugs* And?


Originally posted by Kachina
Spend some time on that website and soon you will begin to see patterns.


An X or + is not exclusive to Christianity. As you can see, we use them in our alphabeta and mathmatics. The difference is the cross means the crucifixion and/or resurrection of Christ.


Originally posted by Kachina
Then I will ask you saint4God whether you believe Jesus was crucified on a Stake, a Tree, a Tau Cross, a Forked Cross, a Greek Square Cross or a Latin Cross more commonly known as the Crucifix?


Christ was crucified on a Roman cross. T-bar or + isn't really relevant. I betcha he wasn't crucified on a swastika though. As you'd referenced, this shows pagan roots such as Norse sun with energy rays.


Originally posted by Kachina
If you like I can post what I believe the shaded areas of the swastika symbolically represents?


Sure.


Originally posted by Kachina
The swastika was employed more by the Greeks.


Than who, the Native Americans? The Greeks may have better records...



Originally posted by Kachina
How many different Christian sects were there long ago?


I don't know, how many?


Originally posted by Kachina
Was not the Council of Nicaea specifically called to deal with the many different Christian beliefs?


Hm, I think they were formed to be a little more specific than that. There were a few points they needed to clarify. Omit unverified testimony, and organize writtings into a cohesive timeline.


Originally posted by Kachina
You subscribe to simply one literal interpretation.


I do? Please tell me more about what I subscribe to. I'm always interested in learning more about myself.


Originally posted by Kachina
Go to those sites, come back, lets talk.


Done.

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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 09:22 AM
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Please note:

All of the information provided by me on this website is provided for those who have not been indocrinated. I am not out to alter the flock of sheeple and seagulliables opinions, only to provide information for those who have woken up.
Those still asleep ... move on ... go back to the flock.

You can lead a Christian horse to water but ...

... he will only ever see his own reflection!

No point in addressing you any longer saint4God, not until you have had your viels of deception lifted.

namaste

Raphael

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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Kachina
Please note:

All of the information provided by me on this website is provided for those who have not been indocrinated. I am not out to alter the flock of sheeple and seagulliables opinions, only to provide information for those who have woken up.
Those still asleep ... move on ... go back to the flock.

You can lead a Christian horse to water but ...

... he will only ever see his own reflection!

No point in addressing you any longer saint4God, not until you have had your viels of deception lifted.

namaste

Raphael


Dude, you were the one who said, "let's talk" after reading the pages of your links. Up to you, just accepting your offer.
That's fine, I'm not interested in conversation if all I get from your end is petty insults.

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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 12:47 PM
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You obviously read those pages with your mind closed, you were back very quickly with a response, must I hold your hand and explain why those 4 dots and 4 crosses located in the 4 quadrants are significant?
And the significance of cardinal vs. intercardinal directions?

Now I have come across your 'kind' before saint4God.
What kind?
The flock who cling to faith, blindly.
You always have an answer ready.
But I suggest a new game.

I have quickly ended debates about the authenticity of your HIStory when I suggest we discuss real history and not your scripted HIStory.

Can you discuss history without making reference to your Biblical texts provided to you by your Temple priests?
Can you?

Ok saint4God here is an example...so how old is the earth?
Discuss it without using the Bible as a reference guide.
Now that is the kind of dialogue I am interested in...not your foolish scripted HIStory that you obviously believe in literally.

It was meant to be taken figuratively.

That's your problem...why you refuse and cannot see an obvious truth.
A lifetime of invested belief comes crashing down...this is the archetype we find in The Tower Card in the tarot.

namaste

Raphael



posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Kachina
Can you discuss history without making reference to your Biblical texts provided to you by your Temple priests?


So discuss history without making reference to a book that archaeologists and historians alike use? While we're at it, let's talk advanced particle physics without making any mathematical reference. Or maybe we could talk about art without making any reference to color. Of course, the difference would be that an educated Christian could still talk history without referencing scripture because history is on the side of scripture. Archaeology is the Bible's best friend because it continues to verify scripture as true. Which brings us to


your problem...why you refuse and cannot see an obvious truth.
A lifetime of invested belief comes crashing down...this is the archetype we find in [...] the tarot.


This is the problem faithful beliefs run into when talking with Christians educated in their beliefs -- Christianity is not a faithful religion, but a factual one.

Insults do not win theological debates, my friend, but they can make you feel better. If you feel your beliefs are up to the challenge, talk with Saint. If, however, it's not truth you're interested in but instead maintaining your beliefs, continue to blow him off.

EDIT: Last I checked, archaeologists' profession was not deserving of an "A" in the middle of a sentence


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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Kachina
You obviously read those pages with your mind closed, you were back very quickly with a response,


Since when is 1 hour and 12 minutes quick?


Originally posted by Kachina
must I hold your hand and explain why those 4 dots and 4 crosses located in the 4 quadrants are significant?


Sure. You'd do so for a friend, wouldn't you?


Originally posted by Kachina
And the significance of cardinal vs. intercardinal directions?


I'm familiar with a compass. Do tell


Originally posted by Kachina
Now I have come across your 'kind' before saint4God.
What kind?
The flock who cling to faith, blindly.
You always have an answer ready.


I see. Well, you're wrong. I could not accept things blindly, I had to go through a slice of hell because I refused to believe anything unless I saw it. I haven't had a "flock" for nearly a decade in the faith. And, I wish I did always have an answer ready, but I take each sentence as it comes. But, by all means doctor, do go on about me. What else you got about me?


Originally posted by Kachina
But I suggest a new game.


I have no time for games here, sorry.


Originally posted by Kachina
I have quickly ended debates about the authenticity of your HIStory when I suggest we discuss real history and not your scripted HIStory.


Feel free to expand upon my history. Nothings more fascinating to me than someone who already knows my past before they meet me.


Originally posted by Kachina
Can you discuss history without making reference to your Biblical texts provided to you by your Temple priests?


I have no Temple priests, so I guess that's a yes. Yes, I can talk about history without the Bible. Does it matter? Not really.


Originally posted by Kachina
Can you?


See above redundant grasshoppah.


Originally posted by Kachina
Ok saint4God here is an example...so how old is the earth?


I don't know. I'm guessing a few million. Still under debate in many communities.


Originally posted by Kachina
Discuss it without using the Bible as a reference guide.


Already did.


Originally posted by Kachina
Now that is the kind of dialogue I am interested in...not your foolish scripted HIStory that you obviously believe in literally.


Glad I could accomodate your interest. I'll take me being literal as a compliment, though don't feel it's deserved. There's much I have to learn.


Originally posted by Kachina
It was meant to be taken figuratively.


*shrugs*


Originally posted by Kachina
That's your problem...


Tell me doctor, about my problems.


Originally posted by Kachina
why you refuse and cannot see an obvious truth.


Tell this obvious truth, this is what we are here for.


Originally posted by Kachina
A lifetime of invested belief comes crashing down...this is the archetype we find in The Tower Card in the tarot.


Sketchy allegorical allusions. Please be specific.


Originally posted by Kachina
namaste

Raphael


You and I are not sharing a spirit nor soul. Even if we were, would you want to with me?


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posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God

You and I are not sharing a spirit nor soul. Even if we were, would you want to with me?


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Great conclusion...not long ago may I remind you...your kind burned my kind at the stake.

Your spirit I suggest is born of darkness not light.
The fact you claim Christianity is NOT a solar religion speaks volumes to my pagan sensitivities.
Judaism, the forefather to Christianity is also a religion born of darkness...they begin their day at SUNSET not sunrise and the hebrew alphabet is known as the Flame alphabet.

So I agree with you. You are both confirmed FIRE cults weilding the firepower.
And the Fire Cults can be shown to have a HIStory of displacing those who followed the cycles of the cosmos ... the Solar, Water and Fertility Cults, using the power of fire.

Are you aware that Joseph Campbell saw all 3 western religions as 'War Mythologies'?

Scripts within the scripture to be followed dutifully.

namaste

Raphael



posted on Aug, 28 2006 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Kachina
Great conclusion...not long ago may I remind you...your kind burned my kind at the stake.


If you knew anything about "my kind", you'd know "my kind" adheres to the following:

Exodus 20:13
"You shall not murder."

Deuteronomy 5:17
"You shall not murder."

Matthew 5:44
"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"


Originally posted by Kachina
Your spirit I suggest is born of darkness not light.


Suggest what you like, but I'd recommend not being so judgemental. It leads to being wrong. Or, in your case, continuing to be wrong about me.


Originally posted by Kachina
The fact you claim Christianity is NOT a solar religion speaks volumes to my pagan sensitivities.


Huh?


Originally posted by Kachina
Judaism, the forefather to Christianity is also a religion born of darkness...they begin their day at SUNSET not sunrise and the hebrew alphabet is known as the Flame alphabet.

So I agree with you. You are both confirmed FIRE cults weilding the firepower.


I made no statement to this effect. Keep your own words for your own mouth.


Originally posted by Kachina
And the Fire Cults can be shown to have a HIStory of displacing those who followed the cycles of the cosmos ... the Solar, Water and Fertility Cults, using the power of fire.

Are you aware that Joseph Campbell saw all 3 western religions as 'War Mythologies'?


No. Not sure what that has to do with the discussion. Mind connecting the dots or wish to continue to make baseless accusations and incorrect assumptions?


Originally posted by Kachina
Scripts within the scripture to be followed dutifully.


What's amazing is the results that come from following the Word. I've done both. I've not followed it, and I've followed it. These days I continue to follow it because I find the great benefits thereof...and they'll only get better.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Aug, 29 2006 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake

So discuss history without making reference to a book that archaeologists and historians alike use?

This is the problem faithful beliefs run into when talking with Christians educated in their beliefs -- Christianity is not a faithful religion, but a factual one.


Oh you want to bring the experts in?

I can line up the experts on BOTH sides of an issue.

Like the Jewish or Christian archaeologists and historians who try to link Moses to various Egyptian Pharohs?

But wait Egyptian history books do not record the 'Exodus', which is a big deal in the foundation of Judaism which begat Christianity…

And the geologists claim the Sphinx was NOT built at the same time as the pyramids of Giza.
5000 years older maybe...a remnant of a Goddess epoch maybe (why are most if not all Greek sphinxes female?)...but a Goddess culture pre-dating Egypt would require a re-write of your HIStory that claims Moses lived 900 years and the woman in fact came from a rib. (You believe this literally and you want to have a scholarly discussion…does not compute)

And then we have the issue of not only your disputed HIStory book but also the fact your messengers bearing the crucifix essentially snuffed out Mesoamerican culture.
Are you a holocaust denier?
(there was more than one holocaust you must realize…that is just one crime of this Church you embrace…shame on you holocaust denier!)

Oy vey!
Pass the chicken soup...I am getting a head cold.

namaste

Raphael

p.s. Remember those who write the HIStory decide who monitors their institutions of higher learning, THEY controlled the arts and sciences for hundreds of years...this can be proven...what is in dispute is the level of power and glory THEY still exercise.




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