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Topic started on 19-11-2005 @ 02:13 AM by watch_the_rocks
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Apparently, CIA agents have exposed some of the CIA's torture methods that they use against suspected terrorists. The process has about 6 stages,
which include face slapping, shaking, being made to stand up for a straight 40 hours, sleep-deprivation, and, would you believe it or not, being
forced to listen to rapper Eminem all day.
I particularly like this last one.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 02:55 AM by douglas2k4
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Great info watch_the_rocks, I would have to say I totally agree that the last piece ( the Eminem music ) is rather fitting to be inducted as a torture
method  . Now when they torture them, did the CIA agents say , specifically , what they were trying to derive from them?
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 05:45 AM by American Mad Man
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I had an uncle who was a spook. After he retired he told me some things that were used by "some of our allies" **wink wink**
If they have time time, they would turn the heat up in the cells as high as they could for a few days, then make the rooms extremely cold. Repeat for
a week or so, all while blaring Metalica... 
Another good long term aproach was to plant the idea in peoples heads that prisoners might be shipped to other, less civilized countries... Do it a
month or so in advance, and then have a guy come in and look at prisoners. When they think they are going to really get tortured (as in cut up,
electracuted, beaten every day) and not just kept awake, they tend to talk to stay in that 4 star hotel with 3 meals a day.
Aparently the whole "loud terrible music for days on end" thing is still effective.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 07:11 AM by Dronetek
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I dont consider any of that tourture.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 07:22 AM by watch_the_rocks
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were talking about ways to extract info from someone, and the general way to do this is torture, so we can call these methods torture. I like the
hot/cold thing.
Also, Ive read about some sort of 'sensory-deprivation' tank, where they undress you, oil you down, and stick you in a big water tank. Apparently,
you can't see, hear, feel or smell anything at all, and your brain desprately tries to create anything to keep you sane. Any more info on
this, anyone?
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 07:33 AM by Heartagram
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Originally posted by Dronetek
I dont consider any of that tourture.
Imagine if you're a foreign national and does not speak english. You're caught as a suspected terrorist and the CIA used those tactics on you,
especially the last one, wouldn't you give in to it? Moreover, if you don't freaking know any english and you hear some guy babbling for hours over
and over again, wouldn't you be frustrated?
Imagine listening to some unknown language for hours and hours.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 07:33 AM by HiddenReality
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
I had an uncle who was a spook. After he retired he told me some things that were used by "some of our allies" **wink wink**
If they have time time, they would turn the heat up in the cells as high as they could for a few days, then make the rooms extremely cold. Repeat for
a week or so, all while blaring Metalica...
Another good long term aproach was to plant the idea in peoples heads that prisoners might be shipped to other, less civilized countries... Do it a
month or so in advance, and then have a guy come in and look at prisoners. When they think they are going to really get tortured (as in cut up,
electracuted, beaten every day) and not just kept awake, they tend to talk to stay in that 4 star hotel with 3 meals a day.
Aparently the whole "loud terrible music for days on end" thing is still effective.
Do you think anyone with any sense is going to believe any of the rubbish which comes out of your fingertips? Im fed up of people comparing the US
concentration camps with hotels... I would like to see you in one of these places for a week without screeming for uncle George to come and save you.
Now please start using that brain god blessed ( or did he punish?) you with, and start seeing all the bad crap your country has done.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 07:57 AM by CyberKat
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Originally posted by Dronetek
I dont consider any of that tourture.
Just wondering what you would consider it if it were being done to you?
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 08:36 AM by HiddenReality
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Originally posted by CyberKat
Originally posted by Dronetek
I dont consider any of that tourture.
Just wondering what you would consider it if it were being done to you?
Now now CyberKat you do realise that Americans have different rules dont you? If its happening to them its torture and wrong, when they are the
perpetrators its right its in the name of god and all that is good.... ha.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 02:37 PM by PaddyInf
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Originally posted by Dronetek
I dont consider any of that tourture.
Try it for a while, then get back to me.
There's more to torture than kicking someone in the head so many times that their eyeballs burst, and drilling out their knee caps.
Sleep deprevation, white noise, sensory deprevation, stress positions, isolation - all fairly run-of-the-mill, and very effective.
BTW, torture is not a very PC word. Tactical Questioning is much nicer. Looks much better in the press releases, don't you know old boy 
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 03:57 PM by WestPoint23
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Uhh... Am I missing something? Do you guys want us to ask them nicely and follow it up with a please?
Sensory deprivation, stress positions, psychological warfare, and anything other than physical torture is ok by me.
That's a 5 star hotel compared to some of the techniques the Arab countries use.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 07:24 PM by managerie
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Imagine if you're a foreign national and does not speak english. You're caught as a suspected terrorist and the CIA used those tactics on you,
especially the last one, wouldn't you give in to it? Moreover, if you don't freaking know any english and you hear some guy babbling for hours over
and over again, wouldn't you be frustrated?
Imagine listening to some unknown language for hours and hours.
You haven't been to Los Angeles lately, have you? .... Just kidding...sort of.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 08:44 PM by managerie
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Uhh... Am I missing something? Do you guys want us to ask them nicely and follow it up with a please?
Sensory deprivation, stress positions, psychological warfare, and anything other than physical torture is ok by me.
That's a 5 star hotel compared to some of the techniques the Arab countries use.
I agree completely. The methods described are far better than what many Arab countries will do to you. Think twice before running that sleeper
cell in Cairo.
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 09:54 PM by Vajrayana
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A source for watch_the_rocks thread.
"They would not let you rest, day or night. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. Don't sleep. Don't lie on the floor," one prisoner said
through a translator. The detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made
them frantic, sources said.
Contacted after the completion of the ABC News investigation, CIA officials would neither confirm nor deny the accounts. They simply declined to
comment.
The CIA sources described a list of six "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" instituted in mid-March 2002 and used, they said, on a dozen top al
Qaeda targets incarcerated in isolation at secret locations on military bases in regions from Asia to Eastern Europe. According to the sources, only a
handful of CIA interrogators are trained and authorized to use the techniques:
1.The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.
2.Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.
3.The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against
using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.
4.Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet
shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
5.The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused
with cold water.
6.Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the
prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to
bring the treatment to a halt.
According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They
said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half
minutes before begging to confess.
abcnews.go.com...
Like the fortified peaks of Waziristan, the closer we get to the top of the base's (true) human pyramid, the fiercer the resistance encountered.
[edit on 19-11-2005 by Vajrayana]
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reply posted on 19-11-2005 @ 10:07 PM by jsobecky
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The techniques used in Abu Ghraib were among methods that had been developed by the CIA decades earlier, refined, and made part of training manuals
used by the US and other gov't security agencies. In fact, if you were a spook with any length of service, you could take a look at the now infamous
Abu Ghraib photos and rightfully conclude that "Yep, the CIA is here working at Abu Ghraib".
These techniques were part of a whole new set of "no touch" torture methods developed by the CIA, and one of their first field tests came about in
Vietnam.
Amazing story, amazing claim? When I read the paper that revealed this, I was taken totally by surprise. But I'll give you the link and let you
decide for yourself. The title is
The Hidden History of CIA Torture:
America's Road to Abu Ghraib
By Alfred W. McCoy
This report can be read at
www.tomdispatch.com...
Read it and enjoy.
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reply posted on 20-11-2005 @ 01:07 AM by American Mad Man
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Originally posted by HiddenReality
Do you think anyone with any sense is going to believe any of the rubbish which comes out of your fingertips?
Some will, some won't. However these methods are pretty standard, and I did not make them up.
Im fed up of people comparing the US concentration camps with hotels...
Tough poo. They are like hotels when compared to what some nations do. Try going to one of Saddams old camps for instance. Sleep deprivation is
a walk in the park compared to the things that occur in the middle east. The proof is in the fact that prisoners almost ALWAYS talk when they think
the choice is between talking and going to a country like Jordan or Saudi Arabia.
I would like to see you in one of these places for a week without screeming for uncle George to come and save you.
Is it supposed to be fun? 
The point is to make life so tough that the prisoner will tell you everything he knows in order to make it stop.
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reply posted on 20-11-2005 @ 03:45 AM by Syrian Sister
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It's not always Eminem, sometimes it's Bony M, or that really terrible terrible song called "nasty girl" by christiana agullarie, it could drive
you insane from just listening to it once.
unfortunately , i'm serious. I heard it on talk back radio.
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reply posted on 20-11-2005 @ 05:03 AM by XphilesPhan
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*sighs* they call that torture! LMAO.... thats sounds like a day in school lol.
Oh, how i miss the medieval english torture methods, nothing like being drawn and quartered to make you talk!
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reply posted on 20-11-2005 @ 05:34 AM by ANOK
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
They are like hotels when compared to what some nations do.
Have you ever been to any of these nations you claim are worse than our prison camps? There's about 200 of them youknow?
People always assume, or just convince themselves, that what we do can't be any worse than what "they" do.
How many Americans are prisoners of war being tortured right now?
How may Iraqi's are prisoners of war being tortured right now?
Trust me the US is nowhere near the top of the list of having cushy prisons, civilian or military.
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reply posted on 20-11-2005 @ 06:38 AM by CyberKat
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Originally posted by HiddenReality
Originally posted by CyberKat
Originally posted by Dronetek
I dont consider any of that tourture.
Just wondering what you would consider it if it were being done to you?
Now now CyberKat you do realise that Americans have different rules dont you? If its happening to them its torture and wrong, when they are the
perpetrators its right its in the name of god and all that is good.... ha.
I know, especially if, as Bush proclaims, "Everything we do is within the law. We do not torture!" while he (or Cheney) is pushing for an exemption
for the CIA in the anti-torture bill proposed by McCain.
I am an American, and I love my country, but I very much dislike the corrupt and evil government that has taken over and is doing their very best to
destroy this country and it's citizens.
The citizens of America, I think are basically the same as the citizens of any other country. We all have feelings, and none of us, I believe would
actually want to have any of the things told about on ABC news that the CIA says is in their book. And, although I don't know for sure, I suspect
that they only exposd some of the most mild forms of torture, while keeping the really unthinkable to themselves.
Besides, if anyone is arrested as a Terror Suspect, "suspect" being the key word, no one has the right to do anything to them until they have
been charged, their guilt proven or disproven (at least not under the constitution as it was written before Bush started ignoring it and making his
own rules), then if they are truly guilty and sentenced, I would think that at that point, questioning would be in order. However, not the way they
are going about it. For one thing, I suspect that most people who are being forced into extremely uncomfortable, painful and/or humiliating
situations beyond their control, will eventually talk, just to get out of the situation they have been forced into. But what will they say? Torture,
IMO probably leads to more disinformation than any sort of useful information. 
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