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posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 12:39 AM
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Well you all are gonna love this one. Quite a few years ago I learned through my church that there was going to be and Anti Christ and Anti Christ religion. That they would call them by his name (Christ), did everyone miss the boat cause last time I checked one of the largest organized religions is CHRISTianity. Do you think that might mean something. Is it possible that CHRISTianity is the Anti Christ religion??? What do you think???




posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 10:29 AM
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If Christianity is the Anti-Christ religion then what is the 'Christ' religion?



*Baffled*



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
If Christianity is the Anti-Christ religion then what is the 'Christ' religion?


Gnosticism


It seems very plausible to me that exoteric Christiniaty will have a part to play in all of this.

(Matthew 7:13-14) “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

Exoteric Christiniaty is not a difficult way, and 33% of people is anything but few.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by AkashicWanderer

Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
If Christianity is the Anti-Christ religion then what is the 'Christ' religion?


Gnosticism


It seems very plausible to me that exoteric Christiniaty will have a part to play in all of this.

(Matthew 7:13-14) “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

Exoteric Christiniaty is not a difficult way, and 33% of people is anything but few.


Nice reference, but why use the bible as a reference when Gnosticism as far as I'm aware requires you to ignore scripture?

Some references among others;

Luke 1:32-35
Matthew 3:17
Mark 9:7
Matthew 27:54
Romans 1:4

Ignoring the divinity of Jesus and then using the bible to support your position when it fits is surely flawed?

Or maybe I don't know enough about Gnosticism



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 10:54 AM
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Actually, that's the basis of the Satanist belief. Not the fist-pumping, pentagram-wearing, heavy metal quasi-satanists, but actual members of the actual Church of Satan. They don't believe that they worship an evil being, but rather that Christians do. Their notion is that the story of Lucifer's fall from Heaven is a lie, and that Lucifer actually rose up as a force of good to stand against a force for evil that had usurped God's position in the hierarchy. And they point to the condition of the world as proof that the dominant religion of Christianity really is the worship of a force for evil.

While I don't agree, as I don't agree with any specific religious doctrine, I can see their logic...



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 11:19 AM
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Interesting fantasy - but Jesus sounds far from evil to me.

Satan on the other hand, sounds like quite a nasty character.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 11:41 AM
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Ah, but see-- that's the frightening logic of the idea. "Satan" (or whatever we might want to call this evil being) is the consummate liar. His entire strategy is to mislead, and, if he has already been successful in doing so, then Christians are already worshipping him, thinking that they're not. If he has the power to mislead people, then maybe he already has. Maybe the Biblical Lucifer was really a force for good, but the rest of the story is true. He tried to stand up to "God," failed, and was punished. But the "God" that Lucifer stood against was actually an evil being, and the idea that Lucifer/Satan is the force of evil is nothing more than the lies of the truly evil being.

If he really is the master of lies, then how would you know?




posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Ignoring the divinity of Jesus and then using the bible to support your position when it fits is surely flawed?

Or maybe I don't know enough about Gnosticism


I'm afraid that's the case.

Gnosticism stems from the greek word Gnosis. Gnosis is to know by direct experience; knowledge that transcends theory, dogma, or belief.

What you read in Wikipedia and other sources of the like, is a scholarly attempt to intellectually understand what can only be understood through experience.

Gnostics do not believe blindly. We do not believe that a Demi-God created the earth. We do not believe that Jesus wasn't divine. That would be absurd and paradoxical. To believe blindly in something is the opposite of Gnosis.


Originally posted by Bob LaoTse
They don't believe that they worship an evil being, but rather that Christians do.


Have you asked a real Gnostic if they believe this, or did you simply look it up on the internet?


Their notion is that the story of Lucifer's fall from Heaven is a lie, and that Lucifer actually rose up as a force of good to stand against a force for evil that had usurped God's position in the hierarchy.


Which Gnostic told you this?

Lucifer is another word for morning star. Jesus referred to himself as the morning star countless of times. The word Lucifer appears in the KJV (some versions are now using "morning star" instead of Lucifer) in Isaiah 14:12.

Demonizing the morning star (Christ) is the most terrible crime, and yet it is done by most exoteric Christians. I recommend you read the following article that explains it much better than I can:

Lucifer- where did the word come from and what is its true meaning?


And they point to the condition of the world as proof that the dominant religion of Christianity really is the worship of a force for evil.


Once again, this would be believing blindly, the opposite of Gnosis.

EDIT: One last thing, Gnostics do not ignore scripture, but we do not believe it blindly.

Inverencial Peace,
Akashic


[edit on 19/11/2005 by AkashicWanderer]



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by AkashicWanderer

Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Ignoring the divinity of Jesus and then using the bible to support your position when it fits is surely flawed?

Or maybe I don't know enough about Gnosticism


I'm afraid that's the case.

Gnosticism stems from the greek word Gnosis. Gnosis is to know by direct experience; knowledge that transcends theory, dogma, or belief.

What you read in Wikipedia and other sources of the like, is a scholarly attempt to intellectually understand what can only be understood through experience.

Gnostics do not believe blindly. We do not believe that a Demi-God created the earth. We do not believe that Jesus wasn't divine. That would be absurd and paradoxical. To believe blindly in something is the opposite of Gnosis.


Originally posted by Bob LaoTse
They don't believe that they worship an evil being, but rather that Christians do.


Have you asked a real Gnostic if they believe this, or did you simply look it up on the internet?


Their notion is that the story of Lucifer's fall from Heaven is a lie, and that Lucifer actually rose up as a force of good to stand against a force for evil that had usurped God's position in the hierarchy.


Which Gnostic told you this?

Lucifer is another word for morning star. Jesus referred to himself as the morning star countless of times. The word Lucifer appears in the KJV (some versions are now using "morning star" instead of Lucifer) in Isaiah 14:12.

Demonizing the morning star (Christ) is the most terrible crime, and yet it is done by most exoteric Christians. I recommend you read the following article that explains it much better than I can:

Lucifer- where did the word come from and what is its true meaning?


And they point to the condition of the world as proof that the dominant religion of Christianity really is the worship of a force for evil.


Once again, this would be believing blindly, the opposite of Gnosis.

EDIT: One last thing, Gnostics do not ignore scripture, but we do not believe it blindly.

Inverencial Peace,
Akashic


[edit on 19/11/2005 by AkashicWanderer]


I'm Gnostic then (by your interpretation), since my belief is almost entirely dependant on my experiences.

For future reference - I'm Greek, so you don't need to explain the meaning of Greek words to me, still seems interesting.

To me, these are all human labels though - they don't really mean much, What matters is how you conduct yourself in the real world and not what you profess to believe.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by AkashicWanderer

Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
Ignoring the divinity of Jesus and then using the bible to support your position when it fits is surely flawed?

Or maybe I don't know enough about Gnosticism


I'm afraid that's the case.

Gnosticism stems from the greek word Gnosis. Gnosis is to know by direct experience; knowledge that transcends theory, dogma, or belief.

What you read in Wikipedia and other sources of the like, is a scholarly attempt to intellectually understand what can only be understood through experience.

Gnostics do not believe blindly. We do not believe that a Demi-God created the earth. We do not believe that Jesus wasn't divine. That would be absurd and paradoxical. To believe blindly in something is the opposite of Gnosis.


Originally posted by Bob LaoTse
They don't believe that they worship an evil being, but rather that Christians do.


Have you asked a real Gnostic if they believe this, or did you simply look it up on the internet?


Their notion is that the story of Lucifer's fall from Heaven is a lie, and that Lucifer actually rose up as a force of good to stand against a force for evil that had usurped God's position in the hierarchy.


Which Gnostic told you this?

Lucifer is another word for morning star. Jesus referred to himself as the morning star countless of times. The word Lucifer appears in the KJV (some versions are now using "morning star" instead of Lucifer) in Isaiah 14:12.

Demonizing the morning star (Christ) is the most terrible crime, and yet it is done by most exoteric Christians. I recommend you read the following article that explains it much better than I can:

Lucifer- where did the word come from and what is its true meaning?


And they point to the condition of the world as proof that the dominant religion of Christianity really is the worship of a force for evil.


Once again, this would be believing blindly, the opposite of Gnosis.

EDIT: One last thing, Gnostics do not ignore scripture, but we do not believe it blindly.

Inverencial Peace,
Akashic


[edit on 19/11/2005 by AkashicWanderer]




My response was not to you, or to your post about gnosticism, but was to Simon_the_byron's apparent response to my initial post about Satanism.

Damn these flat boards....



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by Simon_the_byron
If Christianity is the Anti-Christ religion then what is the 'Christ' religion?



*Baffled*

There is no 'Christ' religion, its all a stupid story.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 02:27 PM
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Christianity is the AntiChrist Religion

Ok so here is how this goes. This conspiracy theory is a totally spiritual one. Satan has hid him self in the Christian Churches.
Within the bible it says there with be a Anti-Christ religion and that they will call themselves by his name. Does the word CHRISTian have anyones name in it that they might know?
When thinking this through and reading the old testament about God I discovered that the God in the Christian religion did the following and it is in every Christians bible, if they read it.
1. That God is a flame and fire
2. That God encouraged incest
3. That God encourages cannabalism
4. That God had peoples hand, feet and heads cut off
5. That God had tens of thousands killed cause they could not spead a word properly when talking.
6. That Sampson went around killing people and tearing them apart and it was all good with God (and this is after the ' thou shall not's ')
7. That God is a war monger
8. That he himself has said he is vengeful, fearful, cruel, and more...
9. That this list could go on and on.....
10. In the old testament God killed over 10 million people

So you see after forty some years of studing the Christian Bible for some time I have come to the conclusion that the Christian God is Satan in disguise. So many Christians dont even know the history of their own beliefs. That the KJV Bible is only, what 400 some years old. That protestants changed the bible and yet they preach to not change the bible. In fact most of them don't even know the word 'bible' mean 'book' and so much more. Lots to study here.
But I only know this, that the God the Christians believe in is an Evil God. Unless they believe in the Trinity and that my friends is a whole other conversation.





posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Zaimless
Well you all are gonna love this one. Quite a few years ago I learned through my church that there was going to be and Anti Christ and Anti Christ religion. That they would call them by his name (Christ), did everyone miss the boat cause last time I checked one of the largest organized religions is CHRISTianity. Do you think that might mean something. Is it possible that CHRISTianity is the Anti Christ religion??? What do you think???
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posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Zaimless
Quite a few years ago I learned through my church that there was going to be and Anti Christ and Anti Christ religion. That they would call them by his name (Christ), did everyone miss the boat cause last time I checked one of the largest organized religions is CHRISTianity. Do you think that might mean something. Is it possible that CHRISTianity is the Anti Christ religion??? What do you think???



Could you tell me what church/denomination said this?

From what I have heard there will be a movie coming out in '06 with that theme.

No christianity is not the antichrist religion. It sounds like you believe it could be. I have already made my decision to accept Christ as Savior and Lord. You need to read and study the Bible for yourself, because you are the only one who can choose for you, what you are going to believe. And since this choice will decide your eternal destiny my suggestion is that you carefully devote some time to making the Bible a priority. Find out what God has told us in it's pages, regarding salvation.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Zaimless
Within the bible it says there with be a Anti-Christ religion and that they will call themselves by his name.



Could you please give the reference for this? I don't recall that in the Bible.



posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Zaimless
Quite a few years ago I learned through my church that there was going to be and Anti Christ and Anti Christ religion. That they would call them by his name (Christ), did everyone miss the boat cause last time I checked one of the largest organized religions is CHRISTianity. Do you think that might mean something. Is it possible that CHRISTianity is the Anti Christ religion??? What do you think???



Could you tell me what church/denomination said this?

From what I have heard there will be a movie coming out in '06 with that theme.

No christianity is not the antichrist religion. It sounds like you believe it could be. I have already made my decision to accept Christ as Savior and Lord. You need to read and study the Bible for yourself, because you are the only one who can choose for you, what you are going to believe. And since this choice will decide your eternal destiny my suggestion is that you carefully devote some time to making the Bible a priority. Find out what God has told us in it's pages, regarding salvation.


Well where should I start. I have been studing the bible for 40 + years. I was born again in 1972. Finally after many painstaking years I had a spiritual awakening and realized that the 'standard' Christian God was a joke. What religion, Protestant (which comes in many flavors). That has nothing to do with it. Have I read the bible, yes.
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posted on Nov, 19 2005 @ 07:34 PM
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All organized religion is corrupt. The antichrist system, at least the religious aspect of it will be one that unites all the apostate religions which will include all Christian sects and every other religion as well. I am not attacking those who believe and follow a church or other religious institution but I would like to point out that being a Catholic will not grant you entry to heaven. Being a Protestant will not as well and neither will any other religious institution.

The road to salvation is very narrow and the true destinations of all will be revealed when the Antichrist has dominion on the earth.

On note on Satan: The father of lies has corrupted all religion. Jew vs Muslim. Muslim vs Christian. Christian vs Jew. Christian vs Christian. Jew vs Jew. Muslim vs. Muslim. More men have died in the name of religion than any other cause. Those few who realize what is happening when the antichrist religion is in place will be the ones that are targeted. Going with the flow will lead you straight to hell. Going against the flow is what will get you killed but may end up saving your soul. The devil exists. His followers are everywhere. Throw off these polarizing labels and badges of false divinity and do what great teachers told you to do. Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed. All their messages have been torn and corrupted. The few who understand the messages and actually follow them will be the ones enjoying salvation.

On that note, see you all in hell.



posted on Nov, 21 2005 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by RebelSaint
All organized religion is corrupt.
On that note, see you all in hell.


what you said. yeah, man.


There is an obelisk at the Vatican surrounded by a circle. This represents the union of Osiris and Isis (exoteric). These two symbols are surrounded further out by 32 archways on each side of the courtyard, in all it is an outdoor temple of the Mystery Schools.



posted on Nov, 21 2005 @ 02:10 AM
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oops. double post.

i'd love to get jesus' real teachings. the ones he did in private with his inner core of disciples. that would be cool, ...yeah, uh heh heh heh, ....cool.

[edit on 21-11-2005 by billybob]



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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When one considers two very important things, it seems rather silly to be an adherent of the Christian faith (meaning: any religion that directly correlates to Jesus' divinity/as the so-called Messiah).

1) Jesus' divinity was decided well after his death when the Catholic hierarchy decided their religion was failing (Nicaea Council). They needed a way to spice things up, and though there was no evidence of His divinity, they made him divine. Spread the word, Jesus rose from the dead!

2) God told Moses at Mt. Sinai that there shall be no other God before me. Thus making any religion to follow suit with any other divine leader (whether part of a "trinity" or any other form, what so ever) would automatically put your soul on the metaphorical chopping block.

Therefore, those who worship Jesus as God are doomed (and that's only if to say that there is any kind of afterlife at all). He is neither divine, nor the Messiah, merely a radical reformer of his times.

[edit on 22-5-2008 by akabetty]




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