WAR: Iraq Pullout Voted Down By House of Representatives

Originally posted by Phoenix

Using this link,

Alertnet, Reuters

By Vicki Allen

WASHINGTON, Nov 17 (Reuters) - A Democratic congressional leader on defense called on Thursday for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, increasing pressure for a change in Bush administration policy just days after the Senate asked for a plan to end the war.

Then there is the later added story addition by Charles Aldinger correcting the reporting to match the liberal spin,

He said he believed U.S. troops could be withdrawn within six months. There are 153,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, increased from the usual 138,000 to tighten security for elections in October and December. Another 22,000 troops from U.S. allies are also serving in Iraq.

yes its interesting you bring this up. did he ever actually say "i want the troops pulled out tomarrow? i doubt it. he used such things as "immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces." this means as soon as possible, as long as its safe for them to do so. another way put was "at the earliest practicable date." this does not mean immediately, just as soon as reasonably possible. it needs to be discussed which was the reason he brought it up. what was discussed was in fact nothing like what he wanted discussed. i watched cspan on friday night from 630-1130 and it was quite the sight to see.

Originally posted by monk84
The politians you are talking about go the way the public polls go. Beyond the politians are the citizens like you who talk about what these fools are doing, not the right or wrong of what they are really doing. Get to the bottom line and you will see that the left wing are becoming American sappers. Let the politics be damned I still will back the American troops who are defending us all!

first post some polls to collaborate with your reasoning. i support the troops, as in i wish them the best of luck on the missions they do and hope they complete them safely and effectively. yet i cannot agree with the reasons they were sent. i support their strive for survival in a place they were wrongfully sent (wrongfully sent is in my own opinion).

Does no one read anything anymore? Nygdan already explained this but I guess republibots follow the "Blind to what you don't want to see" tactic. Sorry, but Nygdan said everything I would say but obviously no republibot would read something that didn't say "Hail Bush!"

Edit: Spelled a word wrong.

[edit on 20-11-2005 by UfoofU]

Leveller:

I enjoyed your post very much. You definitely bring up valid points.

On the other hand, if a society (bluntly, a rather inconsequential one) decides it no longer wants personal possessions is that worth American lives to possibly change? History has shown that Communism is doomed. The Soviets lasted ~70 years, China has an exploding middle-class and is constantly becoming more and more "western" with all the economic, social, and cultural exchanges that come with this age of communication.

I realize that in 1965, we had no clue as to Communism's future, but if some rice farmers living in hooches decide they no longer want rights or freedom, we have to give up a generation of young men? It did spread you know, there was a regime in Laos too.........which also failed. In retrospect, you feel it was worth it. I don't.

Originally posted by Ray Davies


On the other hand, if a society (bluntly, a rather inconsequential one) decides it no longer wants personal possessions is that worth American lives to possibly change? I don't.

If the above were a possible scenario then I totally agree with you. But Asian Communism didn't prove to be as Socialist as this. The people at the top got rich through the people at the bottom. And not only that, but it is the method that they used to take away their Freedom to possess that really made it insidious.
I'm an out and out Socialist. I'd love to see a society that is not based on Capitalism, but unfortunately that idea is just a Utopian dream at the moment. I believe that Capitalism needs to run it's course and eventually it will go the way of Communism, but most importantly it will hopefully be a much smoother transition.

Your question basically means "Would one be prepared to fight (and possibly die) for Freedom?". I do believe that Freedom is a thing worth fighting for. I want the Freedom to be a Socialist - I don't want it imposed upon me. If it is imposed I'd be pretty sure that it isn't Socialism but more a warped control system such as that in place in many nations.