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posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 09:50 PM
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I've just been thinking, what if both evolution and creation theories are correct? What if the very first species were created in a way that they would evolve?

I'm no biologist but it could be possible. Any thoughts?




posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by xeroxed88
I've just been thinking, what if both evolution and creation theories are correct? What if the very first species were created in a way that they would evolve?

I'm no biologist but it could be possible. Any thoughts?


Then the ID theorists would be correct.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 09:53 PM
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Oh! I havn't even heard of them.


Now I feel stupid!



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by xeroxed88
I've just been thinking, what if both evolution and creation theories are correct? What if the very first species were created in a way that they would evolve?

I'm no biologist but it could be possible. Any thoughts?


I'm obsessed with Jesus Christ (I have eternal life [ie I know HIM] and I believe in evolution (depending on the definition).

Darwins theory was that there was one common ancestor. (I disagree: I believe that God created many ancestors that evolved a little bit...But I don't believe there is enough genetic variation for a rat-mammal type thing to evolve into a human. Plus, I believe that the earth is only 6000 years old...and evolution [on that huge scale] as Darwin described it can NOT happen in such short a time)



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by seawater999

Originally posted by xeroxed88
I've just been thinking, what if both evolution and creation theories are correct? What if the very first species were created in a way that they would evolve?

I'm no biologist but it could be possible. Any thoughts?


I'm obsessed with Jesus Christ (I have eternal life [ie I know HIM] and I believe in evolution (depending on the definition).

Darwins theory was that there was one common ancestor. (I disagree: I believe that God created many ancestors that evolved a little bit...But I don't believe there is enough genetic variation for a rat-mammal type thing to evolve into a human. Plus, I believe that the earth is only 6000 years old...and evolution [on that huge scale] as Darwin described it can NOT happen in such short a time)


I also want to add that scientists can't even agree on how to define a species... There are like 10 basic (and very different) definitions
And speciation is part of the definition of evolution...
so it gets tricky...
So, I don't really beleive in like mainstream evolution (aka EVILution...heehe. whatever)



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by xeroxed88
I've just been thinking, what if both evolution and creation theories are correct? What if the very first species were created in a way that they would evolve?

I'm no biologist but it could be possible. Any thoughts?


Yop, that's my theory.

Something created life, and it evolved somehow...but not much.

I definately do not subscribe to the crazy theory that humans evolved from something on this planet naturally.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by xeroxed88
Oh! I havn't even heard of them.


Now I feel stupid!


Definitely don't feel stupid. Ask a question, get an answer, nothing stupid about that.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by mattison0922

Originally posted by xeroxed88
Oh! I havn't even heard of them.


Now I feel stupid!


Definitely don't feel stupid. Ask a question, get an answer, nothing stupid about that.


Aye, that's true. If you don't ask, you won't learn much.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by Manincloak
Yop, that's my theory.

I agree with you here also


Something created life, and it evolved somehow...but not much.

exactly



I definately do not subscribe to the crazy theory that humans evolved from something on this planet naturally.

you mean from a pool of sludge or from the Nothingness ?

me neither, this is a very big mystery and Creation predates Evolution Theories by far.

I am sure those men of old observed these same trends in nature but never bothered to pen them down because they may have know where it would lead... (see) Hitler



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 02:00 AM
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Hi Sea,]

I am also into Jesus - I am a writer as well.

How do you cope with all the putters down?

How I cope is - I don't care.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 02:03 AM
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Yes,

Great point!

I believe that evolution and creation are what happened.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 02:04 AM
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oh but I am new... so I figured I would get some panties in a bunch for a reminder, I must show the same respect given me since I have been here on ATS.

I come to discuss cool esoteric mysteries but ended up getting a fanatic fanbase (you know how that goes) when they seen I am some sort of American Star and happened to be Christian.

can't help the way I was born ya know, I guess some of us just do not Evolve.

or do we ?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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You raise an important question and one that is acknowledged by Evolution theory as it does not attempt to explain abiogenesis which is a separate theory concerning the origins of life.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by xeroxed88
I've just been thinking, what if both evolution and creation theories are correct? What if the very first species were created in a way that they would evolve?

I'm no biologist but it could be possible. Any thoughts?


I believe both theories are correct.

Creation was formed by the big bang or creation of the sun which is a birth star or young star compared to others in the Universe. With Earth located in the right position from the sun for water to form, (the closer you go it evaporates and the further you go it freezes) the Earth developed a formation of Fire and Water where the core of earth is molten heat formed to rock on the outer layers.
Water forms on the surface giving everything life! All living creatures were created by water internally while everything external or physical is produced by three elements being Fuel, Heat & Oxygen which is Fire.

Man and Women are the software while the Sun (Male) and Earth (Female) is our hardware like a macro computer and the micro computer being the internal make up of our DNA structure which is man through knowledge and learning. This cycle reaches humans to space and when the cycle is complete humans reset evolution of there DNA structure and make up and return to Earth for a new cycle.

Everything has been created to evolve and expand just like space itself continues to expand.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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Evolution and Creation are not mutually exclusive. However, evolution is supported by empirical evidence while Creation is not.


Originally posted by seawater999
But I don't believe there is enough genetic variation for a rat-mammal type thing to evolve into a human.


That's where random mutation comes in. Random mutation allows for genetic variation.


Originally posted by seawater999
Plus, I believe that the earth is only 6000 years old...and evolution [on that huge scale] as Darwin described it can NOT happen in such short a time)


The empirical evidence shows that Earth is much older than 6,000 years old. Known civilizations are older than 7,000 years old.


Originally posted by seawater999
I also want to add that scientists can't even agree on how to define a species... There are like 10 basic (and very different) definitions


We can't agree because we keep finding exceptions to our definitions. Science isn't static, it can change with new information.


Originally posted by Manincloak
I definately do not subscribe to the crazy theory that humans evolved from something on this planet naturally.


The empirical evidence supports the evolution of humans through entirely natural means.


Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
me neither, this is a very big mystery and Creation predates Evolution Theories by far.


This doesn't mean anything in terms of validity. Earth-centered astronomy existed long before our current understanding of astronomy, and Earth-centered astronomy is definitely wrong.


Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I am sure those men of old observed these same trends in nature but never bothered to pen them down because they may have know where it would lead... (see) Hitler


It's actually been suggested that the Nazi's were eliminating threats to the dominance of Christianity in Europe (gays, gypsies, jews, etc.) In any case, raw science is neither good or bad. You haven't said anything about Einstein helping create the Nuclear Bomb, which was used to kill thousands.

Darwin's ideas revolutionized the way we see the natural world and the Theory of Evolution is now the unifying theory of biology.


Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
can't help the way I was born ya know, I guess some of us just do not Evolve.


Individuals do not evolve, populations of organisms evolve.

Edit: Also, if the Nazi's really were inspired by Darwinian ideas, they would know that variation of genetics is a lot better for a population rather than artificially selecting for specific traits.
edit on 27-12-2010 by PieKeeper because: Added.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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You bring up a really good point! I don't know how people can't see the difference between evolution and abiogenesis...... Two completely different theories but then evolution gets all the credit...



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
you mean from a pool of sludge or from the Nothingness ?


Nobody says that life came from either nothingness or a pool of sludge. Do not use a straw man argument here.



me neither, this is a very big mystery and Creation predates Evolution Theories by far.


While geocrentric cosmology also predates heliocentric cosmology. Which one is closer to the truth?



I am sure those men of old observed these same trends in nature but never bothered to pen them down because they may have know where it would lead... (see) Hitler


No, they were ignorant bronze age folk. They were far from wise, as is indicated by their writings. On matters of the natural world their ignorance is astounding.

Once more I must ask you the questions from the list:

Question 1: Where is the evidence in Darwin's writings that he was a racist? No, the subtitle of a book isn't enough to draw a conclusion about the material contained within.

Question 2: Where is the evidence of negative social impact with regard to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Question 3: Where is the evidence that Darwin's writings and scientific findings influenced any dictatorship? Please provide direct quotes from these dictators.

Question 4: Why would it be dangerous to teach children actual, fact-based science?

Question 5: Do you or do you not agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is the best way to explain the diversity of life found upon planet Earth?

Question 6: How is evolution a racial ideology?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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No I don't think the so called "GOD" had anything to do with it. If you look at it this way, apes is supposed to be our for-fathers in a way. But look at their intellect, even today they are no where near the beginning of our's. If evolution theory would work I believe apes would evolve into today's man and not just a few but all races. During the process of apes evolving into intellectual beings, homo-sapiens, why were there so many ape races left out. There brains are mostly the same. How did the cave man know to have intercourse to produce little cave men? How did they know that a little cave man popping out has to be nursed and taken care of in a special way? It really doesn't add up. There are enormous leaps in time frame between cave man knowledge and today's man throughout the years. We have very little evidence really of caveman intellect and forward until really around the viking era, mayan's, egyptians etc. Huge empty spaces in between.

My personal believes are maybe we were put here by another race. Maybe we come from another race, another planet? Maybe a select few were prisoners condemmed to this Earth. From caveman drawings, egyptians, mayan's all of them have ufo's and unexplainable items. I doubt God would be drawn in a disc for shape throughout history.

If anything almighty such as a God did exist or does, even back in time people / apes would draw him more human like than a frikken disc shaped object?

Anyway just needed to post my thoughts.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by linuxcore
If evolution theory would work I believe apes would evolve into today's man and not just a few but all races. During the process of apes evolving into intellectual beings, homo-sapiens, why were there so many ape races left out. There brains are mostly the same.


Modern day apes and human diverged on separate paths long ago.Chimps and gorillas will never evolve into humans, because evolution is not a linear path towards a specific goal. They've already branched out onto separate paths than our own.


Originally posted by linuxcore
How did the cave man know to have intercourse to produce little cave men? How did they know that a little cave man popping out has to be nursed and taken care of in a special way? It really doesn't add up.


Instinct, just like all other mammals have.



posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 12:20 AM
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Instinct, so if Adam and Eve were the two first humans to populate Earth, they knew by instinct to have the child, keep it warm and feed it? He must have been a frikken Einstein that Adam.

Yes but since the evolution to man from ape took place, other species have not really changed much. Look at bones from apes long ago until today. It doesn't really make sense. Sure evolution might work to some degree, I myself believe in evolution but it still does not add up. There are many flaws in evolution theory.



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