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Originally posted by jritzmann
Look past? Why do I have to "look past" fake pictures and film?? No, I have absolutely no reason to take him for any shred or reality when he tries to "fool" the world with pictures and UFO tales. No way. You fake one thing, youre done. I have no reason to believe anything after or before.
Originally posted by solarstone
I'm suprised so many people are dogging Meier, and I think it's sad that some people deny themselves the time to explore the case on their own since they made the decision to believe the few paragraphs written by the skeptics. Now i'm sceptical too but I thnk people are treating it like something that guilty until proven innocent. There's a lot of information available without having to pay for it.
Originally posted by solarstone
jritzmann the photo's have never been proven fake. When I say to look past them I mean that they're not the most important aspect of the case.
I've seen the pictures at www.iigwest.com... and I don't know how you can compare them to Meiers. The shots by IIG should have been taken in an identical (or very close to) environment together with a replica of the UFO, and using an identical camera and lens as the original. I don't think this is scientific proof the case is a hoax.
[edit on 15-12-2005 by solarstone]
Originally posted by 8Michael12
Now I'm glad that there are still armchair experts, and a few cry babies, out there to keep the controversy going and make all sorts of wild and unsubstantiated claims but, gosh, I truly wish they'd show up at one of my events and display their genius for the assembled masses to be dazzled by. It just doesn't happen, though I can understand that not everyne is able to come to the places I speak. I also understand that lame explanations about reproducing the photos and sounds might impress the gullible but they simply don't accord with facts. Doncha think that if these guys could duplicate the sounds with their guitar amps that they WOULD have by now? Puhleeze, just more biilge from the coulda, woulda, shoulda crowd. And yes, the same goes for their claims re the photos.
Nice, just continue to "poo poo" away everyone who brings hard data at you (like I did on the PAR board with regard to the film footage, which was later posted here in entirety, to which you promptly dissapeared.
Now, since folks here seem to be a bit lazy about specifics (let alone logical THINKING abilities), I'm posting this info that's also freely available - along with the sounds - at my site so that any among you who are open minded and capable of understanding can contemplate...and of course take your potshots at these scientific experts, their methodology, etc. Oh yeah, as it says below, the analysis was filmed and part of it is in the 1980 movie "Contact". But don't any of you DARE to try to purchase it, or anything else pertaining to the case, cause I don't want you to:
1. Spoil your record of refusing to get the documentation of the investigation
2. Support my lavish lifestyle
3. Punch holes in your idiot arguments
4. Show that you have an ounce of credibility between you (you know who "you" are, I think)
So, have at it:
UFO Sound Recordings
Semjase’s Beamship During a Demonstration Flight
Another sound analysis that was filmed with professional cameras on high-grade 16 mm film was performed in the Excalibur Studios in Studio City, California. There, Nils Rognerud and ....
Oh god, blah blah blah....we've read this crap a million times. When are you going to finally answer the hard questions??? With your every fact regurgitating post you continue to dig yourself so much deeper into the oblivion.
Lets face the currently standing "fact" Horn: When someone does ask legitimate questions, and present data, you attack them personally or professionally till they give up in disgust. Will you ever answer direct questions or continue the baseless personal insults, and continue to be the Court Jester of "Ufoology"? Wanna talk some more about the sound that alledgedly was heard so far away yet a dog barking can drown it out??? How gullible are you exactly?
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Originally posted by jritzmann
Oh god, blah blah blah....we've read this crap a million times. When are you going to finally answer the hard questions??? With your every fact regurgitating post you continue to dig yourself so much deeper into the oblivion.
Lets face the currently standing "fact" Horn: When someone does ask legitimate questions, and present data, you attack them personally or professionally till they give up in disgust.
I gave my 2+ hour presentation the other night to MUFON in Orange County, CA . . . But when the moderator had to ask me to end the evening since it had gone past time, it seemed to me that it was pretty hard to find too many skeptics left, as was the case at the other two MUFON events that I did.
The first airplane to be identified was a ‘Pilatus Porter’, a light, single-motor Swiss Army reconnaissance plane. Its ‘Doppler effect’ showed that the plane was flying at approximately forty to fifty knots, which corresponded to the actual progression on the tape recorder, but which also corresponds to the normal speed of an airplane on a reconnaissance flight.
A portion of these recordings was also given to Robin L. Shellman, an undersea sound technician, who studied them with a spectrum analyzer (a state-of-the-art device) built by Spectro Dynamics in San Diego. The demodulation showed that one must be dealing with a rotating device—249.6 U/min. modulated at 4.16 Hz.
demodulate
v : extract information from a modulated carrier wave
Simultaneously, the slower 249.6 U/min.-rotation again became audible. The vibration was produced by the high-speed rotation of approximately 29,000 U/min., which accelerated to over 59,000 U/min. This was most certainly not a normal sound!
You must have an AWFUL lot investied in some way to be trying to obfuscate as much as you do. But as they used to say in the music biz, the hits just keep on coming and, so far with nearly 4 million people around the world looking in on the case, not all of whom I'm sure simply accept it, no one has offered proof of a hoax...just like you guys.
Show us proof that a place called the Naval Undersea Sound Center even existed in Groton, Connecticut and conducted the alleged analysis. Are you claiming that this was part of the U.S. Naval Base at Groton? Or the Electric Boat Shipyard? I've contacted both and neither has any record of a "Naval Undersea Sound Center" ever having been affiliated with either of them.
are you claiming that Robin L. Shellman, steve Ambrose and Nils Rognerud also didn't exist, weren't capable sound engineers and or falsified their reports on the sounds?
no recording equipment COULD have recorded 4.16 hz, not even modern-day digital equipment available to the professional sound market. Even more evident of your blantant lie is that human hearing CANNOT detect 4 hz! That sound could not have become audible.
You must have an AWFUL lot investied in some way to be trying to obfuscate as much as you do.
Okay, for what it's worth, I represent the case VOLUNTARILY, as in for free, gratis, at no charge, etc. I produced my DVD, do my research including traveling to meet and interview the prinipals in the case, etc. on my own dime - and I average about 6-10 hours per day doing it. But since this is a country that worships money, and is filled with pea-brains who accuse everyone else of the same low-life values for which we're becoming world famous...what should one expect?
Originally posted by Centrist
So why does this station, through a very good and credible reporter, decide to give time to Billy Meier?
You CAN'T get any of the "commercially" available material since to do so would be to enrich me or some other party in this matter. . . .
having to do so without having much of the available documentation and self-evident evidence and proof?
What I'm saying is that only YOU poor guys would have to buy the stuff - because eveyone else with half a brain already gets/understands it.
I'll get back to you with the sound report info as soon as I get it
Originally posted by 8Michael12
....Meier doesn't engage in online or other correspondence at this time for many valid reasons having to do with his work, his time demands, his lack of fluency in writing in English, etc. He has designated me as his representative to do such things and I'll do the best I can.....