Hi holedigger0812 and thanks for the comments. It's nice to actually thank someone here for a change instead of just play a hostile game of tennis.

Let me offer a couple of comments also about the previous posters' complaints. First, since someone is actually willing to carry on endlessly about a phony company and their phony, non-existent lawsuit, it says a lot about their own actual intent and credibility. To them I say, find this company...if you can, and then tell us all about their plans for their lawsuit. And please, don't waste anyone's time with this until you can actually produce these characters and their "lawsuit". Of course you're quick to quote this as some sort of factual, credible issue from a company that doesn't seem to exist but take the time to really examine and think through the Meier case...whoa, not you!

As for why I don't send my DVD out for review, I already have a few reviews at my site and from parties who were not anonymous with established audiences. I already have a list as long as my arm of media appearances on shows where the hosts saw my DVD as well, which was one of the main reasons that I got on those shows, some repeatedly. So there's neither a profit motive nor a genuine need on my part to seek another "review", especially from anonysmous people. And, since I don't sense that this item, modestly priced as it is, is of sufficient value to the person requesting it to purchase it on its own merits - why would I give it away for free anyway? In other words, to give something freely that is not valued by the receiver is to devalue it. And, in reality, with all this concern about it, should it have been given freely and then reviewed poorly might I not (if I was that kind of a person) complain about it and, if it was reviewed favorably, wouldn't that then open the door to others saying it was only because the guy got it for free? I oter words, an unnecessary and no-win situation.

Please understand, I am not a worshipper of the main religion/god of this land, i.e. money, so trying to make that case against me is really a waste of time.

As far as Centrist's comments goes, it's clear that if he actually read them he'd see that they are riddled with his own, unsupported, beliefs and not in need of further comment from me, except to say that my presentation is sufficiently credible for many in the media and some scientists as well. As a matter of fact, I've shut up at least one guy with a top security clearance and it only took about three minutes - the reason being that he actually had the capacity to think and recognized when the facts contradicted his assumptions. So Centrist appears to be kind of like a guy who nailed his foot to the floor and is going around in circles.

Masterp's comments are simply not worthy of comment other than to say that some are factually wrong and some simply stupid...some both, so what does that leave?

Okay, why don't the Plejaren interfere in our affairs? Because, unlike the policies of this, and other countries, they don't subscribe to the notion of violating our free will, under any guise, and they don't subscribe to the notion that they are responsible for our actions. We are responsible for them, plain and simple. And the kind of help that they have to offer is in the form of very informed guidance, which we are free to take or ignore. It's the same model one uses in a family - where adults are present. If we continue to believe in illgocial, bloodthirsty religons and stupid, dead end political systems - where somebody else is upposed to take responsibility for our lives - we won't make it.

As far as I'm concerned, the ET/UFO part is far less important than the information, long proven as prophetically accurate, because that information was given so that, if there were still any thiinking, responsible humans left on the planet, we would recognize and take to heart the credibility and intention of the source and, at the very least, consider the content of their warnings about the future. As the title of my exhorbitantly proced DVD states, I consider the Meier case to be the key to our future survival. Of course, for a key to work, people have to be smart enough to know how to use it, presuming also that they can find the door, locate the lock, insert the key and figure out which way to turn it...even if it takes two tries.

This case is NOT MEANT to be easy, self-evident, done for us, etc. It's meant to make us think and reason - hopefully in time to really get that the demonic forces in certain governments will, with certainty, facilitate the unbeleivably terrifying destruction of a great aprt of this world and a majority of this country, as has already been spelled out in this case, in fairly specific terms, for about 25 years or more.

So, to all the guys out there who are just plain smarter than I am, and who under no circumstances are gonna fall for some stupid DVD that I actually charge for - take a look at all the other things in your life, from the gas in your car to the internet access, cable TV, etc. that you may already pay for and...wait till the DVD is available at your library, for free.

So Centrist appears to be kind of like a guy who nailed his foot to the floor and is going around in circles.

Truly, the circles are in the circular logic, riddle with false statements, that you use to try and avoid the real issues. The only reason it seems like this debate goes around in circles is because you keep evading the questions and the debate keeps coming back to the same problems with Meier's story.

Like I said before. Show us proof. That's all we ask.

C'mon mike............what kinda hulla baloo was that. ok I admit it I cant afford the DVD. There ya happy. I thought about swappin your info for mine but if I shipped you my extensive hard copy library of materials it would take a semi. How bout this- any time your in my neck of the woods you come and check out my 40 years worth of books, photos,manuscripts, ect.
But still I want to know why you ignore my questions.

Longhair,

I appreciate the spirit of your words. Please give me a short list (1. 2. 3., etc.) of the most important questions on your mind and I promise to do my best to answer them clearly and honestly. BTW, where is your neck of the woods anyway?

This is a perfect example of the publics inability to accept the truth. I'm telling you right now if aliens landed in central park on live TV people would still not believe it.

Finally, something sensible that I can't argue with on this forum.

Hi all,

I am most curious what this forum might respond with, regarding the following questions:

#1
If Meier is a fraud, Can anyone explain to me, how the metal sample as examined and documented by Marcel Vogel was fabricated or obtained?

#2
IF Meier is a fraud, can anyone explain why he simply doesn't make or get lots more such metal samples & sell these for LOTS of money?

#3
If Meier is a fraud, Can ANYONE explain how he was able to produce the quantity and quality of beamship photographs in his collection?
I mean in REALISTIC methods, which would withstand the scrutiny of any expert willing to risk his job & position simply for doing any analysis...

#4
If Meier is a fraud and money monger, can anyone explain why he doesn't simply produce LOTS of similar photographs which could be sold for lots of money as artistic works, irregardless of whether these are fraudulent or not?

#5
If Meier is a fraud, how DID he produce those beamship sounds?

#6
If Meier is a fraud, how did he manage to "fool" the other people present DURING the recording of the beamship sounds?

#7
If Meier is a fraud, how or where DID he get the original TJ manuscript, who's content is legitimate enough to create the existing controvercy among "biblical scholars"?

I'm more of an engineering tech type, and have been watching over the Meier contact as well as others for a couple of decades now.
Although I've heard LOTS of claims of fraud etc. I've yet to hear any plausible technical explanations for the above.
There could be lucrative business opportunities for anyone who figures the above out !!
The $$ opportunities, if Meier is a fraud, far outweigh those which exist if Meier was "only" contacting alients.

Think on this...
The above is just the tip of the iceberg.

Regards,
JP

JPL-lemme get home, and write ya a reply to those questions...there's plenty to answer...work has me bogged down at the moment.

this Meier guy seems.....quirky??...out there....and if he has been proven a fraud then why does the UFO community still follow him????

Originally posted by solarstone
If people here can look past all the strange pics and video's and learn about the spiritual and prophetic information that Billy has given, you will begin to understand what this is all about.

Look past? Why do I have to "look past" fake pictures and film?? No, I have absolutely no reason to take him for any shred or reality when he tries to "fool" the world with pictures and UFO tales. No way. You fake one thing, youre done. I have no reason to believe anything after or before.

The prophetic info is as well unsubstanciated (for the accuracy supporters portray) MOst has been lifted from publications and many are just wrong. Forget that half the time you see "Meier predicted this right!" there's nothing published to back it up, dated or otherwise...just the "say so" of FIGU people.

Originally posted by Centrist

Originally posted by Alpha Grey
Oh.. and if Michael decides to drop by again, how about producing a copy of the mythical metal analysis? Of all the ways you can spend money on Meier's hoax, it seems that this is one piece of evidence that Steelmark can't produce. Odd, huh? One thing that might give Meier's claim some credibility, if it were true... (it's not -- I learned that what Meier actually brought to Marcel Vogel was a crystal which he promised was "unique", what he actually had was a Monazite crystal. Although somewhat rare, Switzerland, near Zurich in fact, is one places where naturally occuring monazite can be found. Interestingly, monazite is the primary source for thulium -- what Vogel supposedly found in Meier's metal and giving his cultists their source for making such grand, and totally unsupported and unverified, claims about Vogel proclaiming that terrestrial science couldn't reproduce the metal! How about this -- terrestrial science can't reproduce the processes that occur deep within the earth over millions of years, which is how monazite crystals are formed -- could it be that Vogel didn't consider this possibility, or in fact that the cultists have taken Vogel out of context, because this is what Vogel truly meant?) Funny thing about IBM -- they tend to keep all of their records for a long time

Is there a place where this can be documented and substanciated? If so, I'd love to see it...could be the piece we've been looking for to put the mythical metal to bed.

I see you guys got this pretty much wrapped up. I have been watching this thread to see what else Mr. Horn had to say especially after his last reply to me. Maybe he realized what he said.
Centrist- did you notice the manner of the post by JPL? Sound a lttle like Mr. Horn? did to me.
Jritzman- I liked your responses to JPL. But why is it up to us to prove anything? We arent making the claims Meier/Horn are.
Interesting how Horn ignored my questions and then when i offered to share my resources with him he got all cuddly and relented to answer a question or 2. But then he'd already answered them by not answering.
Oh and heres another thing that has me puzzled- a book by Carl Van Vlierden titled 'UFO contact From Planet Koldas: A Cosmic Dialogue'
It could be where the whole Pleiadian thing originated.
Keep up the good work guys.

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LOL just seemed a tad suspicious to me after all he has changed his user name before.
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