As has been alluded to there is alot more to Australia than meets the eye. I live on the Gold Coast, and its hard to describe how big this country is.
I know of some secret areas throughout north Queensland and Northern Territories, however i cannot go into specific details as; 1 i would get my father into trouble; 2 i cannot provide satisfactory evidence other than hearsay. But keep digging, the suggestion to look at contractors was a smart one, start there people.
My father runs a security training firm, he regularly visits the mines such as Mount Isa etc to train the security details there.
One thing i can say is that a few years back he was told by a supreme justice (for whom he arranged their gun license) that there has been since WW2 a UN plan that in the event of a catastrophic event in Europe, there is a plan in place to displace 30 million people to western Australia and the Northern territories. It is believed that this could be achieved without the Australian public being aware.
I assume this is not news to many of you, nor i imagine that in China, many maps refer to Australia as "Southern China".
Australia can easy have every one of the approx 6.8 billion people of the earths population living here, with plenty of room to spare. Yet its own population is equal to Greater London, around 22 million. Its always surprised me that more people don't think this is strange or have looked at it in more detail. And before people start saying how barren and unlivable it all is, check out the mines and the complexes and cities they build for them.
This is a very isolated, spacious, mineral and recourse rich country, do you think that in this day and age that will be left untapped???
Take it easy people.

Originally posted by fatman
I know there is a massive underground storage facility in South Australia, I get this first hand from my foster brother who was a weapons tech with the navy. When they mothballed the air wing at HMAS Albatross he escorted some of the planes down there to be stored. He reckons there were hundreds of aircraft stored there, as well as munitions, thousands of big wooden crates marked only with numbers and 44 gal drums lined up as far as he could see. He was only in one hanger but saw entrances to at least 9 more.

As for secret bases, there is one in Bankstown ( Black Charlies Hill) that was built for WW2. It is about 9 stories high, built in a quarry and backfilled. As far as I know it is not used anymore.

The one in the blue mountains sounds logical, we quite often get massive convoy's of military trucks (200+ trucks) that just turn off into the bush and vanish.

FATMAN

HMAS Albatros escorted them where exactly? A warship escorting planes to be stored?
What type of planes?

A military storage facility were fuel and ammunition and other elements needed by the military or not needed any longer and mothballed, is no big secret. Of course they are not going to go around advertising were they store things, but if you do a bit of digging you will find out anyway.

What exactly are we talking about here ?

Secret American bases, or Australia's own secret work ?

As far as America's bases here in Australia, there are many of them, mentioned by previous posters. They are rather like the US embassy, what goes on in here is only for American eyes and ears.

But we have our own Australian secrets. too.

Yes, the Australian government owns a lot of land around Fishermen's Bend and Port Melbourne, have done so since WW2. The most conspicuous Government secret facility is ARL (Aeronautical Research Laboratory). But there are plenty of others much less conspicuous, in the same general area that do a lot of secret work.

The most secret work of all is carried out in rented office space in the central business district, St Kilda Road. Many small offices, and rented office space, specially protected by the security service here.

You would never know or suspect, that the small office right next door is carrying out secret work, and the other office two doors down is staffed with ASIO officers monitoring everyone in the whole building. That is how it works.

You would never know or suspect what is going on right under your nose.
Been there done that. And saying so betrays nothing.

Kind of like saying the same thing probably goes on in New York. Try to find one small office on the 35 th floor among a thousand identical high rise office buildings. A needle in a haystack. Great place to hide a needle.

But if you wish to further develop "say" electronic warfare, that is how it is done. Many small places working quite independently providing small pieces of the puzzle.

An ASIO officer once told me, ASIO know absolutely nothing about what the US are actually doing at their own secure facilities, as long as they keep feeding us useful intelligence, they are welcome to stay here.

We could take those facilities out at very short notice, any time we want, should they become a menace.

Should the US become an enemy, (as almost happened after the lunatic and irrational threats of George Bush), (and the subsequent Bali Bombing by the CIA), we could shut down these US spy bases, leaving the US completely blind and deaf over about a third of the globe.

The CIA has become absolutely hopeless developing human intelligence, it now relies almost totally on electronic surveillance. Switch that off, and the US is screwed. And we Australians have our finger on the switch.

So while you guys run your secret bases here in oZ, it is only because we let you do so, and you pay the rent with providing us with a continuous flow of useful intelligence.

We are not allies of America, we have not fought in any of America's wars, not for forty years. Vietnam was the last.

But we do trade intelligence, and as long as it remains useful to both the US and Australia, that will continue.
If that ever stops, or you threaten us again, you guys will be out on your ear,.

this is a very interesting thread!

F!

[edit on 20/8/09 by dallas18]

Originally posted by grimnar
Woomera and Maralinga are a matter of public record, just go to the NAA and view the documents on them!

I actually am one of the 200 residents of Woomera

And you guys do know that this thread is like 6 years old right? Most the posters arent even active anymore

double post

[edit on 20/8/2009 by OzWeatherman]

^ Exactly.

I really don't know what the other guys deal is though, trying to deny we took part in American led wars since Vietnam. But believe me, Afghanistan is not the only place our SAS has seen combat.
Strange to say the least.

What really happened after Desert Storm was that everyone went home, and the UN blockaded Iraq to prevent Saddam from importing weapons to continue the war..

Saddam cut a deal with the UN to sell Iraq oil for food.
Google "oil for food deal"

Australia played a very big part in this blockade. We has the Navy and Aircrews in the gulf region in large numbers. The SAS were there too. But it was NON COMBAT, purely a blockade to search absolutely everything going into Iraq.

Anyhow, when Bush invaded Iraq for Gulf War two, the Australian blockade forces were used to shift a lot of US military stores into Iraq to assist the US invasion. Google "operation Falconer".

This too was non combat. Those guys were pilots, logistical people, air traffic controllers, and civillian experts. Google "operation Falconer medals"
See who won medals in Iraq, lots of people did, none of them were COMBAT SOLDIERS.

Bush went on TV saying how Australia was involved in the invasion, and we were in one sense. But we never fired a shot. Americans just assumed we were allies in full combat mode. The US press did nothing to clarify this lie.

When the US has fully occupied Iraq, there was no longer any point in running the blockade, so all the Aussie Navy people came home.

The only Australian troops in Iraq since 2003 have been about 1500 guys guarding the embassy in the green zone and escorting truck convoys of food into Iraq. They also provided training for the Iraq police and military, and technical aid to rebuild the infrastructure.
That too is ALL non combat.

The biggest US offensive was the massacre at Fallujah, not a single Australian was even there.

If Aussies have been in full on combat in Iraq since 2003, why have there been no Australian combat deaths ???
America has lost 7,500+
The Australian military has not had a single combat death In Iraq for BOTH wars.
Not one.
Zero.

You can believe anything you want, but the facts speak for themselves.

What really happened after Desert Storm was that everyone went home, and the UN blockaded Iraq to prevent Saddam from importing weapons to continue the war..

Saddam cut a deal with the UN to sell Iraq oil for food.
Google "oil for food deal"

Australia played a very big part in this blockade. We has the Navy and Aircrews in the gulf region in large numbers. The SAS were there too. But it was NON COMBAT, purely a blockade to search absolutely everything going into Iraq.

WTF are you on about buddy? What has the post-Gulf War 1 of 1991 got to do with the recent invasion of Iraq? Are you smoking pot while posting?

Anyhow, when Bush invaded Iraq for Gulf War two, the Australian blockade forces were used to shift a lot of US military stores into Iraq to assist the US invasion. Google "operation Falconer".

Who said they did or didn't?
Trying to dilute the issue now with non-related chit chat?

This too was non combat. Those guys were pilots, logistical people, air traffic controllers, and civillian experts. Google "operation Falconer medals"
See who won medals in Iraq, lots of people did, none of them were COMBAT SOLDIERS.

See above comment..

Bush went on TV saying how Australia was involved in the invasion, and we were in one sense. But we never fired a shot. Americans just assumed we were allies in full combat mode. The US press did nothing to clarify this lie.

We never fired a shot?
Go tell the navy whose frigates fired their guns for the first time in 'anger'(ie combat operations) since Vietnam.
Go tell the SAS who, although classified and we can not confirm yet, there is a 99.9% chance they saw action. You DO NOT deploy the most elite soldiers you have, to do nothing. Logic...you seem to lack it.
Or how about the RAAF which flew COMBAT SORTIES over Iraq?

When the US has fully occupied Iraq, there was no longer any point in running the blockade, so all the Aussie Navy people came home.

No, they didn't. After the invasion the RAN stayed in the Gulf.
The deployments of fresh ships to replace existing ships was regularly on the news.

The only Australian troops in Iraq since 2003 have been about 1500 guys guarding the embassy in the green zone and escorting truck convoys of food into Iraq. They also provided training for the Iraq police and military, and technical aid to rebuild the infrastructure.
That too is ALL non combat.

See comments above about you bringing non related stuff into this discussion.

The biggest US offensive was the massacre at Fallujah, not a single Australian was even there.

This has nothing to do with the issue you brought up, which is your absurd belief that Australians saw no combat in Iraq.

If Aussies have been in full on combat in Iraq since 2003, why have there been no Australian combat deaths ???
America has lost 7,500+
The Australian military has not had a single combat death In Iraq for BOTH wars.
Not one.
Zero.

Who said anything about full on combat?

What do you think the Navy was firing at? Target drones for practice?
Why do you think the SAS, WHO ARE ELITE SPECIAL FORCES, were deployed?
Not much is known what they did, but what is known, is they were amongst the FIRST, if not THE FIRST, on the ground in Iraq.
What do you think the RAAF was dropping bombs on? The sand?

Do you think the SAS were there to bring in American supplies, or food for Iraqis? Or provide security?

If you actually believe that, then you have no idea what the SAS is.

No casualties does not mean there was no combat. It is the SAS, whatever role they played in the Iraq war, is not a highly publicized subject, if at all. The fact that we do not know what they did and it is being kept classified, should be a good indication they were up to some very risky business.

Nobody actually said regular Australian troops took part in combat operations. But to say that no Australian military saw action, is absolutely ridiculous and outright denying reality.
RAAF, RAN and SAS all saw action. Keep denying reality if you wish.

You can believe anything you want, but the facts speak for themselves.

You posted nothing which proves Australians didn't see action in Iraq, just some crazy ideas which are contrary to what is actually known as fact.

As you said, believe what you want, it seems that you are very well advanced into making up your own history in your own little world.

Ok.

Post a link that proves me wrong.

My claims are as follows:

Australia has had zero combat deaths in Iraq for both Gulf War One, and Gulf War Two. We have lost six military guys in total, ALL from non combat related accidents..

Australia ceased ALL combat missions in early 2003 When Desert Storm,
(the freeing of Kuwait by UN forces) ended.

The Australian navy went home at the end of operation Falconer which ended in late 2003. That blockade of Iraq became unnecessary when the US military invaded and occupied Iraq.

I further claim there has not been a single joint US/Australian combat mission since 2003.

Either present some solid evidence of Australian combat in Iraq since 2003.
Or admit you are dead wrong.

For a war that has been going on continuously now for six years, the internet should be full of combat evidence and stories.of Australians in action in Iraq.

But you will find nothing anywhere that Australians have been firing on insurgents, taking prisoners, or taking any casualties.
Because it has NEVER HAPPENED.

One caution though before giving any links.
Check your dates carefully.

Up to early 2003 you will find massive Australian military involvement in Iraq.

So just make absolutely sure anything you present as evidence of Australian combat activity in Iraq actually coincides with Gulf war two, which was late 2003 to the present.

Oh, and I have had this exact argument with many other Americans on other Forums as well as this one. I have never lost because what I say is true.

Sorry my friend you are dead wrong.

(edit)

A further clarification.

A great many Australian CIVILIANS have been killed and kidnapped in Iraq, most of them journalists, humanitarian aid workers, and technical experts.

This has happened because they were mistaken for Americans. To tho Middle Easterners, Aussies and Americans all look and talk the same.

But they know uniformed Australian military are their FRIENDS,
and they never (deliberately) fire on us, snipe us, or detonate roadside bombs against the Australian military. The flags and uniforms set us apart. from the American military.

But unfortunately many Australian civilians have been killed because we look exactly like the hated American invaders.

The Japanese humanitarian aid workers in Iraq have never had a problem in Iraq, not a single incident or casualty. Pretty difficult to confuse a Japanese with an American .

The Iraqis know who their enemy is, only Americans.

Other nations (such as Australians) they leave entirely alone. Their war is only with Americans. You will hate hearing that, but it is true.

One day fairly soon you will learn that, (second only to Israel), America is now the most hated Nation on Earth, with no friends or allies left anywhere.

[edit on 25/8/2009 by Silver Shadow]

[edit on 25/8/2009 by Silver Shadow]

Ok.

Post a link that proves me wrong.

Why? I'm not in competition with you.
I know what I saw on the news, and I'm sure many others also saw it.

My claims are as follows:

Australia has had zero combat deaths in Iraq for both Gulf War One, and Gulf War Two. We have lost six guys total, ALL from non combat related accidents..

Nobody denies this...so what's your point in claiming this? To try prove how smart you are? Your only pointing out the obvious...

Australia ceased ALL combat missions in early 2003 When Desert Storm,(the freeing of Kuwait by UN forces) ended.

This comment here proves what a head case you are, and how much crap you are talking.
Desert Storm ending in 2003? What ever type of Marijuana you are smoking, I want some.

The Gulf War, aka Desert Storm, started in 1990 and ended in 1991(officially 1995).

The Australian navy went home at the end of operation Falconer which ceased in late 2003. That blockade of Iraq became unnecessary when the US military invaded and occupied Iraq.

Once again you are bringing up things WHICH HAVE NO RELEVANCE.

You claimed Australia saw no combat in the Iraq invasion. I and others dispute this. Stick to the topic or keep quiet. You will not succeed in diverting attention away on to other matters.

I further claim there has not been a single joint US/Australian combat mission since 2003.

Wait, you said we didn't see combat in the Iraq invasion...now you are saying there hasn't been a single join combat operation since 2003(ie the invasion year)???

There's something severely wrong with you. I'm saying this as someone concerned, get help.

Either present some solid evidence of Australian combat in Iraq since 2003.
Or admit you are dead wrong.

When did I say Australia saw combat since 2003? In fact when I ever mention any specific dates of Australian combat operations?

What I said was, that Australia did see combat in the Iraq invasion.
That Australian SAS were first on the ground INSIDE Iraq.
How do you think they managed to get and stay in Iraq, when Iraq was on the verge of being invaded? Or do you think the Iraqis were sitting around grooming their camels until they saw US/Coalition forces crossing the border? How naive are you?

It doesn't need to be plastered all over the news to know the SAS saw combat, when some very basic information on what they were doing, ie the fact they were the first into Iraq, is known.

For a war that has been going on now for six years, the internet should be full of combat evidence and stories.of Australians in action.

But you will find nothing anywhere that Australians have been firing on insurgents, taking prisoners, or taking any casualties.
Because it haS NEVER HAPPENED.

So you under the impression that what the SAS do, you know the elite & secretive special forces, is going to be plastered all over the Internet for weirdos like you to talk about? LMFAO.

One caution though before goiving any links.
Check your dates.

Yeah maybe you should check YOUR dates and actually realise the difference between the first Gulf War and the actual Invasion of Iraq like a decade later.

So just make sure anything you present as evidence of Australian combat activity in Iraq actually coincides with Gulf war two, which was late 2003 to the present.

Oh, and I have had this exact argument with many other Americans on other Forums as well as this one. I have never lost because what I say is true.

LOL

I think you believe you never lost because you are mentally unstable, a schizophrenic, and regardless of what people say, you just keep believing what ever sh** you come up with in your own little world. I mean christ, you actually believe the first Gulf War ended in 2003 when major combat operations ended in 1991 and officially in 1995.

Sorry my friend you are dead wrong.

First, I'm not your friend.
Second, you should not post online when you are doped up.

ps, I'm not American. I'm born and live in Australia.
And believe me, you have no idea what the hell it is you are talking about.



I mean, there is something definately missing up top when you ignore simple facts.

RAAF flew combat sorties. We know this because they refused to bomb targets given to them by the USAF which they didn't view as a military threat.

RAN frigates fired their guns at Iraqi targets. We know this because it was in the news because it was the first time they had done so since Vietnam.

And then there is the SAS...first in Iraq behind enemy lines...if anyone thinks they just walked in and out without firing a bullet at enemy soldiers, they are naive and have a lot to learn. The SAS was sent in because of the very nature of the mission was so dangerous, that only the most elite troops would do.


If you require links that is your problem not mine. This stuff was all on the 5 o'clock nightly news. It was possibly even in daily newspapers across the country.

The fact you missed some highly publicised events of our armed forces is not my problem.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by BLV12]

Originally posted by Sabre262
I don't like the thought of other nations having secret bases in my country. I was bad enough that they let the Brits test their nukes here... who knows what the US is working on? Could be nothing bad or it could be something dangerous, we just don't know cause it's secret.

Sorry to go back to such an early post but in my opinion America and Australia have been closely linked since WWII and in particular the posting of MacArthur in Brisbane. Some may remember he commanded the seventh fleet in the South Pacific from Brisbane. So when you say you don’t like secret bases I think it’s a repayment for saving Aussies because we would surely have been taken over and it wouldn’t be America bases right now but Japanese bases and you would be eating whale not beef.

MJ2

I also forgot to mention, you started off by trying to claim Australia has not participated in any American led war since Vietnam.

But in your efforts to try and change the subject because you realised you had no idea what you were on about and were just talking crap, you start raving on about deaths and casualties in Iraq. You then again prove how clueless you are by claiming Gulf War 1 ended in 2003.


What will you claim next that Australian's in Afghanistan have not taken part in any combat?

Maybe we didn't really take part in Vietnam either, and thousands of soldiers were just sent on holiday.

Ok, I will spell it out for you.

The United Nations, of which both America and Australia are both members, sometimes vote to carry out some type of combined military action.
All member nations vote, and if the vote is carried, all member nations get involved in whatever is decided should be done.

That is exactly what happened when Saddam invaded and occupied Kuwait.

FIFTY NATIONS took part in that action..
Australians and Americans were there with forty eight other nations.

We are not allie of America, just a member of the UN, like all the other member countries.

The same ting happened in Afghanistan.
Australians and Americans are there fighting the same war, but it is a UNITED NATIONS WAR.

Now Gulf war two was very different.

George W Bush tried to get the UN to go back into Iraq a second time, based on the total LIE that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

Nobody fell for this lie except the American public.
Every intelligence agency on the planet knew it was a lie, even the CIA knew it was a lie.

America then invaded and occupied Iraq illegally. Only Britain supplied a significant number of combat troops to assist the US in Gulf War Two.
Not a single Australian was involved in this second illegal war, except in a logistical non combat role during the first few weeks.

Likewise, George W Bush then threatened Iran with a pre emptive nuclear strike.

That too was voted on in the UN, and that too was also rejected.
The UN weapons inspectors could find no evidence. Only the crazy Jews, and the totally bought and paid for US politicians they bribe, kept insisting they were building a bomb.

America then sent three carrier battle fleets to the Gulf.
Not a single Australian ship was involved in that huge armada.

If the UN had voted to take action against Iran, Australians would have been right there besides America and the other forty eight nations would have been there too.

But once again America and Israel tell lies, but the rest of the world is now wise to all of that.

If America attacks Iran, it will be an American only war.

That is precisely why Iran has not been attacked.
Iran is supported by both China and Russia.
Nobody is supporting America in this.

Likewise the war in Georgia was inspired by America and Israel.
No Australians there in Georgia either.

As I said earlier, we have been involved In several United Nations actions in which both America and Australia have both taken part.

We have not fought in any wars that America has decided to start, and never will.
Vietnam was the very last time we did that.

If you do not believe this.

Simple, just tell me which war Australians have fought beside American in that was not a full on UNITED NATIONS multinational effort.

There have been NONE.

What the hell is the matter with you?

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Ok, I will spell it out for you.

The United Nations, of which both America and Australia are both members, sometimes vote to carry out some type of combined military action.
All member nations vote, and if the vote is carried, all member nations get involved in whatever is decided should be done.

That is exactly what happened when Saddam invaded and occupied Kuwait.

FIFTY NATIONS took part in that action..
Australians and Americans were there with forty eight other nations.

WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH YOU CLAIMING THAT AUSTRALIA HAS NOT FOUGHT IN AN AMERICAN LED WAR SINCE VIETNAM?
Gulf War 1 was led by the Americans. If you want to doubt this, then go the f**# right ahead. You already have certified your worthy of an asylum.

We are not allie of America, just a member of the UN, like all the other member countries.

But you see, there is the simple fact that WE ARE ALLIED WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

The same ting happened in Afghanistan.
Australians and Americans are there fighting the same war, but it is a UNITED NATIONS WAR.

IT IS A WAR LED BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Do you remember what CAUSED the war you fool? The September 11 attacks in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Americas ALLIES joined the war because an ALLY had come under attack. That is what alliances are.
The Europeans through NATO, and Australia through ANZUS.
Pleas stop making a fool of your self.

Now Gulf war two was very different.

George W Bush tried to get the UN to go back into Iraq a second time, based on the total LIE that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

Nobody fell for this lie except the American public.
Every intelligence agency on the planet knew it was a lie, even the CIA knew it was a lie.

Totally irrelevant to you making up absurd claims that Australia hasn't fought in an American led war since Vietnam.

America then invaded and occupied Iraq illegally. Only Britain supplied a significant number of combat troops to assist the US in Gulf War Two.
Not a single Australian was involved in this second illegal war, except in a logistical non combat role during the first few weeks.

Once again you prove what a complete head case you are, and if you continue with this bullsh** I will report you to a moderator.

It has been explained to you already that Australia took part in the invasion of Iraq, and the subsequent occupation, and was in fact involved in combat operations.

It is your choice whether you accept REALITY and the TRUTH or keep denying it and living in a fantasy world. But if you continue to ruin this thread with you crap I will take this to the moderators.

Likewise, George W Bush then threatened Iran with a pre emptive nuclear strike.

Totally irrelevant to the issue and the topic.

That too was voted on in the UN, and that too was also rejected.
The UN weapons inspectors could find no evidence. Only the crazy Jews, and the totally bought and paid for US politicians they bribe, kept insisting they were building a bomb.

Totally irrelevant.

America then sent three carrier battle fleets to the Gulf.
Not a single Australian ship was involved in that huge armada.

Sure it did. The only place this # was reported on was at ATS by conspiracy theorists who have wrapped their walls in all-foil.
What has Australia got to do with it? Once again, COMPLETELY BLOODY IRRELEVANT.

If the UN had voted to take action against Iran, Australians would have been right there besides America and the other forty eight nations would have been there too.

But once again America and Israel tell lies, but the rest of the world is now wise to all of that.

I think we are all becoming wise to the fact your an outright liar and complete and utter disturbed individual.

If America attacks Iran, it will be an American only war.

That is precisely why Iran has not been attacked.
Iran is supported by both China and Russia.
Nobody is supporting America in this.

Totally irrelevant.

Yeah big bad Russia and China. lmfao.
Wasn't everyone saying invading Iraq would cause WW3? Russia and China would get involved over the oil. What happened...your wet dreams fizzled out before they were able to reach climax?

Likewise the war in Georgia was inspired by America and Israel.
No Australians there in Georgia either.

What in f**** sake does Georgia have to do with this? Get help.

As I said earlier, we have been involved In several United Nations actions in which both America and Australia have both taken part.

We have not fought in any wars that America has decided to start, and never will.
Vietnam was the very last time we did that.

If you do not believe this.

So who started the first and second Gulf Wars? Who started Afhganistan?

Get a grip on reality.

Simple, just tell me which war Australians have fought beside American in that was not a full on UNITED NATIONS multinational effort.

There have been NONE.

You fail to realise the basic concepts of who leads the war.

It doesn't matter if it was UN approved or not, the fact is THE GOD DAMN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INITIATED THOSE WARS AND LED THEM.

One more post of this kind from you, and I will not only report you to the moderators, I will take the issue of your purposeful hijacking of threads and ridiculous behaviour to the administrators.

Enough is enough. I will not keep going round in circles with a clearly mentally disturbed person who has absolutely no concept of reality and only sees what he/she wants.


Ask anyone who led the Gulf Wars and Afghanistan, and the definitive answer will be AMERICA. Because those are ALL American wars, for American interests.

Jesus bloody Christ I can not believe how dense you are.
Honestly mate, go see a psychiatrist because you clearly have some sort of underlying mental condition that needs addressing.