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Originally posted by fatman
I know there is a massive underground storage facility in South Australia, I get this first hand from my foster brother who was a weapons tech with the navy. When they mothballed the air wing at HMAS Albatross he escorted some of the planes down there to be stored. He reckons there were hundreds of aircraft stored there, as well as munitions, thousands of big wooden crates marked only with numbers and 44 gal drums lined up as far as he could see. He was only in one hanger but saw entrances to at least 9 more.
As for secret bases, there is one in Bankstown ( Black Charlies Hill) that was built for WW2. It is about 9 stories high, built in a quarry and backfilled. As far as I know it is not used anymore.
The one in the blue mountains sounds logical, we quite often get massive convoy's of military trucks (200+ trucks) that just turn off into the bush and vanish.
Originally posted by grimnar
Woomera and Maralinga are a matter of public record, just go to the NAA and view the documents on them!
Originally posted by BLV12
reply to post by Silver Shadow
Oh and we have fought in Americas wars, and Vietnam was not the last.
Gulf War 1? Gulf War 2? Afghanistan? Ring any bells?
Originally posted by BLV12
reply to post by Silver Shadow
Australia DID take part in the combat operations in the second Gulf War. Whether you want to admit it or not.
What really happened after Desert Storm was that everyone went home, and the UN blockaded Iraq to prevent Saddam from importing weapons to continue the war..
Saddam cut a deal with the UN to sell Iraq oil for food.
Google "oil for food deal"
Australia played a very big part in this blockade. We has the Navy and Aircrews in the gulf region in large numbers. The SAS were there too. But it was NON COMBAT, purely a blockade to search absolutely everything going into Iraq.
Anyhow, when Bush invaded Iraq for Gulf War two, the Australian blockade forces were used to shift a lot of US military stores into Iraq to assist the US invasion. Google "operation Falconer".
This too was non combat. Those guys were pilots, logistical people, air traffic controllers, and civillian experts. Google "operation Falconer medals"
See who won medals in Iraq, lots of people did, none of them were COMBAT SOLDIERS.
Bush went on TV saying how Australia was involved in the invasion, and we were in one sense. But we never fired a shot. Americans just assumed we were allies in full combat mode. The US press did nothing to clarify this lie.
When the US has fully occupied Iraq, there was no longer any point in running the blockade, so all the Aussie Navy people came home.
The only Australian troops in Iraq since 2003 have been about 1500 guys guarding the embassy in the green zone and escorting truck convoys of food into Iraq. They also provided training for the Iraq police and military, and technical aid to rebuild the infrastructure.
That too is ALL non combat.
The biggest US offensive was the massacre at Fallujah, not a single Australian was even there.
If Aussies have been in full on combat in Iraq since 2003, why have there been no Australian combat deaths ???
America has lost 7,500+
The Australian military has not had a single combat death In Iraq for BOTH wars.
You can believe anything you want, but the facts speak for themselves.
Post a link that proves me wrong.
My claims are as follows:
Australia has had zero combat deaths in Iraq for both Gulf War One, and Gulf War Two. We have lost six guys total, ALL from non combat related accidents..
Australia ceased ALL combat missions in early 2003 When Desert Storm,(the freeing of Kuwait by UN forces) ended.
The Australian navy went home at the end of operation Falconer which ceased in late 2003. That blockade of Iraq became unnecessary when the US military invaded and occupied Iraq.
I further claim there has not been a single joint US/Australian combat mission since 2003.
Either present some solid evidence of Australian combat in Iraq since 2003.
Or admit you are dead wrong.
For a war that has been going on now for six years, the internet should be full of combat evidence and stories.of Australians in action.
But you will find nothing anywhere that Australians have been firing on insurgents, taking prisoners, or taking any casualties.
Because it haS NEVER HAPPENED.
One caution though before goiving any links.
Check your dates.
So just make sure anything you present as evidence of Australian combat activity in Iraq actually coincides with Gulf war two, which was late 2003 to the present.
Oh, and I have had this exact argument with many other Americans on other Forums as well as this one. I have never lost because what I say is true.
Sorry my friend you are dead wrong.
Originally posted by Sabre262
I don't like the thought of other nations having secret bases in my country. I was bad enough that they let the Brits test their nukes here... who knows what the US is working on? Could be nothing bad or it could be something dangerous, we just don't know cause it's secret.
Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Ok, I will spell it out for you.
The United Nations, of which both America and Australia are both members, sometimes vote to carry out some type of combined military action.
All member nations vote, and if the vote is carried, all member nations get involved in whatever is decided should be done.
That is exactly what happened when Saddam invaded and occupied Kuwait.
FIFTY NATIONS took part in that action..
Australians and Americans were there with forty eight other nations.
We are not allie of America, just a member of the UN, like all the other member countries.
The same ting happened in Afghanistan.
Australians and Americans are there fighting the same war, but it is a UNITED NATIONS WAR.
Now Gulf war two was very different.
George W Bush tried to get the UN to go back into Iraq a second time, based on the total LIE that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
Nobody fell for this lie except the American public.
Every intelligence agency on the planet knew it was a lie, even the CIA knew it was a lie.
America then invaded and occupied Iraq illegally. Only Britain supplied a significant number of combat troops to assist the US in Gulf War Two.
Not a single Australian was involved in this second illegal war, except in a logistical non combat role during the first few weeks.
Likewise, George W Bush then threatened Iran with a pre emptive nuclear strike.
That too was voted on in the UN, and that too was also rejected.
The UN weapons inspectors could find no evidence. Only the crazy Jews, and the totally bought and paid for US politicians they bribe, kept insisting they were building a bomb.
America then sent three carrier battle fleets to the Gulf.
Not a single Australian ship was involved in that huge armada.
If the UN had voted to take action against Iran, Australians would have been right there besides America and the other forty eight nations would have been there too.
But once again America and Israel tell lies, but the rest of the world is now wise to all of that.
If America attacks Iran, it will be an American only war.
That is precisely why Iran has not been attacked.
Iran is supported by both China and Russia.
Nobody is supporting America in this.
Likewise the war in Georgia was inspired by America and Israel.
No Australians there in Georgia either.
As I said earlier, we have been involved In several United Nations actions in which both America and Australia have both taken part.
We have not fought in any wars that America has decided to start, and never will.
Vietnam was the very last time we did that.
If you do not believe this.
Simple, just tell me which war Australians have fought beside American in that was not a full on UNITED NATIONS multinational effort.
There have been NONE.