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Israelis evacuated before Jordan blasts

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posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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Apparently, Israelis were evacuated before this attack. Isn't that nice and convenient?

www.prisonplanet.com...

Oh, and before you attack sources
...

www.haaretz.com...

So, they were evacuated because of a security alert?
How come EVERYONE wasn't evacuated?

Oh, right, that wouldn't be like good ol' Israel, would it? Only the god-humans are allowed to live...




posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 08:29 PM
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This is just plain racist garbage and does not belong on this site. "They" said the same thing about 9/11 and it wasn't true. Just for one second think about this. Are Israelis controlling muslin terror now? I don't think so.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 08:38 PM
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Israelis evacuated before Jordan blasts

No sir, they were not.

The original story was posted on Nov 10, by the LA Times, which had picked up the story from Haaretz.

The story asserting such was retracted/corrected, hence your link to the original Haaretz article having no date or time:



Blame Israel for Amman attacks

Here’s great fodder for anyone wanting to start a conspiracy rumor implicating Israel in the suicide bombings that rocked Amman hotels last night. The LA Times picked up on a Haaretz report that Israelis staying at the Radisson were evacuated by Jordanian security services, “apparently due to a specific security alert.” The Times writes:

Amos N. Guiora, a former senior Israeli counter-terrorism official, said in a phone interview with The Times that sources in Israel had also told him about the pre-attack evacuations.

"It means there was excellent intelligence that this thing was going to happen," said Guiora, a former leader of the Israel Defense Forces who now heads the Institute for Global Security Law and Policy at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. "The question that needs to be answered is why weren't the Jordanians working at the hotel similarly removed?"



Despite the fact that Al-Qaida claimed responsibility for last night's terror, can rumors of sinister Israeli connections be long in coming?

UPDATE: Haaretz has corrected it's coverage to say that the Israelis were escorted home after the hotel bombings.

Media Backspin: Nov. 10

The corrected article from Haaretz, with date and time:
No truth to report of Israeli evacuations before Amman bombs


PrisonPlanet and the like [ie: globalresearch.ca, etc] are :shk:





seekerof

[edit on 16-11-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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IMHO Israel has the best INTEL hands down. because they had prior knowledge of the Jordan bombing does not make them guilty ? no. The real question should be "Should Israel share there top notch INTEL" Yes after all its only top notch because the US funds them like the spoiled only child of the middle east.



Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
This is just plain racist garbage and does not belong on this site.


Please can you explain how what truthseeka has posted was in any way racist ? Dont you think your stretching the scope of the word "racist" to gross proportions ?

[edit on 16-11-2005 by helium3]



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 10:27 PM
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So, they were evacuated because of a security alert? How come EVERYONE wasn't evacuated?

Oh, right, that wouldn't be like good ol' Israel, would it? Only the god-humans are allowed to live...


Oh yeah....THAT'S not racist. Bigoted and moronic maybe, but not racist.


[edit on 16-11-2005 by Toelint]



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 10:43 PM
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Jews evacuated from Europe before World War Two based upon Israeli intel...



I think the last "Jewish evacuation" that I'm going to buy into was from Egypt... Some "Mossad agent" named Moses or something... Details are a little sketchy though.

Red Sea Monkeys, not just for parting anymore...



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 11:59 PM
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Why does something like this always come up during a major disaster, oh it was the Israelis because they evacuated everyone before hand. And it always turns out to be false. Of course I look at those sources and I see where it comes from, this is just another blame it on Israel thing. Oh well, isnt the first wont be the last



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Toelint

So, they were evacuated because of a security alert? How come EVERYONE wasn't evacuated?

Oh, right, that wouldn't be like good ol' Israel, would it? Only the god-humans are allowed to live...


Oh yeah....THAT'S not racist. Bigoted and moronic maybe, but not racist.


[edit on 16-11-2005 by Toelint]




Racist, Grady? Bigoted and moronic, Toelint?

If you ask me, it's bigoted and moronic to claim that you're God's chosen people. They claim this, so what's wrong with me saying what I said?

Oh, I can't wait for the response to this one...



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Israelis evacuated before Jordan blasts

No sir, they were not.

The original story was posted on Nov 10, by the LA Times, which had picked up the story from Haaretz.

The story asserting such was retracted/corrected, hence your link to the original Haaretz article having no date or time:



Blame Israel for Amman attacks

Here’s great fodder for anyone wanting to start a conspiracy rumor implicating Israel in the suicide bombings that rocked Amman hotels last night. The LA Times picked up on a Haaretz report that Israelis staying at the Radisson were evacuated by Jordanian security services, “apparently due to a specific security alert.” The Times writes:

Amos N. Guiora, a former senior Israeli counter-terrorism official, said in a phone interview with The Times that sources in Israel had also told him about the pre-attack evacuations.

"It means there was excellent intelligence that this thing was going to happen," said Guiora, a former leader of the Israel Defense Forces who now heads the Institute for Global Security Law and Policy at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. "The question that needs to be answered is why weren't the Jordanians working at the hotel similarly removed?"



Despite the fact that Al-Qaida claimed responsibility for last night's terror, can rumors of sinister Israeli connections be long in coming?

UPDATE: Haaretz has corrected it's coverage to say that the Israelis were escorted home after the hotel bombings.

Media Backspin: Nov. 10

The corrected article from Haaretz, with date and time:
No truth to report of Israeli evacuations before Amman bombs


PrisonPlanet and the like [ie: globalresearch.ca, etc] are :shk:





seekerof

[edit on 16-11-2005 by Seekerof]


Man, you're a flat out liar. Yeah, I said it.

If you check my link and your link, they BOTH say Thursday, Nov 10. The times are different, though. Check it for yourself.

I don't think you're mistaken because both pages look pretty much identical at the top, where the date and time is. So, that makes you a liar.

Sure, they retracted the story, I'm aware of that. But, they did it pretty quick, like the same day. So, why bothering posting this story if you find out later in the day that it's false? I think it's because the story's true, but you're welcome to your own opinion.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
Sure, they retracted the story, I'm aware of that. But, they did it pretty quick, like the same day. So, why bothering posting this story if you find out later in the day that it's false? I think it's because the story's true, but you're welcome to your own opinion.


truthseeka, if u post a story early in the morning and u found out dat the story may not be true, do u just leave the story running on the internet because u feel u can take correct the story the next day or next week? people will find out dat yer story is a fake and u post it on purpose and yer news organization's reputation would take a big blow. dats why u have to correct it immediately.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 11:55 AM
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Since they were evacuated by Jordanian Security sources, in the original article, then why is it relevant? I mean, also, don't ya think that jews in arab countries tend to get evacuated a heck of a lot? Being, you know, targets and all?



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 12:00 PM
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truthseeka
I don't think it's racist, but it appears to be incorrect. I suppose it's possible that there was some truth in the rumor, until the ADL and the like jumped on the story like dogs on a pork chop and pressured editors to change content.

I don't know if that's true, so it would be pure supposition to state anything to that effect.

Israel has one of the most competent intelligence outfits in the world, if not the most competent. They probably use sophisticated eavesdropping technology like microwave to detect the 'Go' calls that signal the bombers to begin their 'final approach.' Or at least, I would presume they utilize such technology, since it is available, and it is useful, and they do have sufficient funding to realize that level of intelligence procurement.

Now...

Is it possible that this happened? Sure. Is it probable? No, almost certainly not. The Jews have been scapegoats since forever, they provide an easy target for the general resentment felt by any given society.

Various groups have, throughout history, used the Jews as a distraction, and a tool in the manipulation of public opinion. One needs only look at the story of Jesus to know that. Pilate was no saint, that whole story was a bunch of hooey. He was a crowd control specialist in the service of the empire, and he had a particular affinity for brutally subjugating protesters and malcontents; crushing the fly of peasant revolt using the bazooka of Roman regulars.

The Jews have always been met with distrust and resentment because they keep to themselves, and have an internally regulated society not beholden to regional, or national authorities. They are outsiders everywhere they go, and so become the logical target whenever some authority figure needs a scapegoat to redirect blame away from their own failings.

I don't think "The JOooOOoos!" did it, in summary. I also think it's a shame that people can't even raise this possibility witout getting jumped on by five folks with gnashing teeth, shouting "RACIST!"

It's really, really sad, especially considering the fact that those same people are often wavering in their support of other minority groups, and save all their zealousness for the defense of this one particular segment of society.

If there is a conspiracy surrounding the Jews, it's likely the conspiracy against speech implicating any Jew in any crime, anywhere, ever. That, to me, is absolutely beyond pale, and people ought to just quit.

Mirthful Me


This just in...

Jews evacuated from Europe before World War Two..


That's actually sort of true, and I think you know it's true.


Moneyed Jews were granted their walking papers before the death camps ramped up, and there is some indication that members of Hitler's inner circle were Jews themselves, men who decided to stick around and benefit rather than paying for their exile. And of course we all know Hitler's lineage.

Painting the holocaust as a uniquely Jewish tragedy is unfair and imbalanced. There were, indeed, a huge number of Jews killed. However, as far as I can tell they were mostly from a certain segment of society. They were overwhelmingly poor, or middle class but of mixed heritage.

Jewish extremists (even of the more mellow persuasions) have co-opted the tragedy for their own, exclusive benefit. That, in and of itself, is a tragedy.

And let's be honest, when you can't even say Jew without receiving complaints, there's something wrong with this supposedly free and open discourse we're allowed and are encouraged to engage in (in theory). In practice people are very much discouraged from implicating any Jew in any crime, because of the immediate, violent response from the opposition in the form of condemnations and accusations of anti-semitism or racism.

Something has got to change in this regard.



posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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Sure, they retracted the story, I'm aware of that. But, they did it pretty quick, like the same day. So, why bothering posting this story if you find out later in the day that it's false? I think it's because the story's true, but you're welcome to your own opinion.

The original story posted at 0202. The retraction posted at 1703. Fifteen hours is an eternity on the internet.

Why did they post the original story? Scoop the story, is why.



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 05:27 PM
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Wow, Wyrdeone, that was a pretty good post!


Look, the reason I made this thread is because it came from Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper. I could understand the backlash if it was from Al Jazeera or something (it would still be a weak argument though), but this story was originally in a paper from friggin Israel! And yes, the story was retracted, but that seemed a little quick to me. Usually, when I see a newpaper retract a story, it's the next day.



There indeed must be something to this, judging from the responses in this thread. I NEVER said the Israelis did the bombing, but you naysayers assumed I did. All I said is that they could have warned everyone else about the bombing. And, most of the people killed were Jordanian, even though this hotel is supposed to be frequented by Israelis as well...



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 06:05 PM
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they were evacuated by Jordanian Security sources, in the original article,



If it would have been true Jordanian Security sources evacuated the Israelis before the bomb attacks, then

Jordanian Security would have known about security warnings

And you really believe, the Jordanians get wind of an attack, evacuate foreigners and let their own people die??



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 06:43 PM
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This sounds alot like the Jews evacuated out of the WTC before 9-11. There was so many sites on the net claiming that after 9-11 and we all know how correct that turned out to be



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
This sounds alot like the Jews evacuated out of the WTC before 9-11. There was so many sites on the net claiming that after 9-11 and we all know how correct that turned out to be



Israelies, not Jews.

How correct did it turn out to be?

How many Israelies died in the WTC on 911?

www.cnn.com...

ZERO!

Sure is easy to dupe you......



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 07:07 PM
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BOMBED!: Chinese Military Officials Meeting With Palestinian Spy Chief

When its put in this context, and you add the fact that the Israelies all evacuated before the blast is their any question who has the greatest motive?

Who does not want the Palestinians working with the Chinese Military?


Bomb trigger
We can now start to get an idea of the very simple but ingenious way in which the Jordan bombs were activated. I think we can take as a given that the target of the bombs was the Palestinians, particularly the chief Palestinian spy, and the Chinese military officials. Besides killing the Palestinians, the bomb was intended to send a message to the Chinese that they shouldn't be dealing with the Palestinians (I'll leave it up to you to guess the identity of the only country in the world that might want to send that kind of message). Any other story completely ignores the fact that it is just too much of a coincidence that the Palestinian and Chinese officials died. The technical problem was how to manage the bombing so that the right targets ended up dead.

Continued...



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

How many Israelies died in the WTC on 911?



Well, some forget quick.

You've already got an answer to your question here on 1-10-2005:


Among those killed in the 9-11 terror attacks were five Israelis:


Yehi zichram baruch


[edit on 18-11-2005 by Riwka]



posted on Nov, 18 2005 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

BOMBED!: Chinese Military Officials Meeting With Palestinian Spy Chief



I highly recommend that you do a better research.

30 Chinese, members of a delegation from China's University of National Defencedelegation from China's University of National Defence, stayed at the Days Inn hotel.

Three of them died in the hotel blast there, no more Chinese have been killed in the blasts. (source: China Daily)

The head of the Palestinian intelligence services, Bashir Nafeh was killed in the attack on the Grand Hyatt hotel (which is 3 km from Days Inn) (source: The Jordan Times)


[edit on 18-11-2005 by Riwka]



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