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NEWS: US Used White Phosphorus in Iraq

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posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by Nerdling

It is amusing to watch Team AMERICA! here justifying the use of chemical weapons in a war zone. Isn't one of the main charges against Saddam Hussein his use of Chemical weapons in the extermination of Kurds. But thats okay now because it was an internal affair in which he didn't break any Iraqi laws. Right Team?



You just can't keep the facts straight, can you Nerdling. Willie Peter is not a chemical weapon in the sense that you continue to use that term. Do you have an orgainic issue?


Can you explain to me why its not a chemical weapon?





posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
THEY attacked America first.




Who did? I thought it was bin Laden? Oh, we later found out it was Saddam. Then, it switched BACK to bin Laden, but it's ok cuz Saddam was a bad guy who had to go.

So, please, tell me how the Iraqi insurgents attacked us first.


Get outta here.

[edit on 16-11-2005 by truthseeka]



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka

Originally posted by FlyersFan
THEY attacked America first. THEY attack the Iraqi civilians.




Who did? I thought it was bin Laden? Oh, we later found out it was Saddam. Then, it switched BACK to bin Laden, but it's ok cuz Saddam was a bad guy who had to go.

So, please, tell me how the Iraqi insurgents attacked us first.


Get outta here.


Shh.

Don't question their "reasoning". It's all "they" have.

Now it has become clear that they lack a sense of humanity and ethics.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
So, please, tell me how the Iraqi insurgents attacked us first.


Hello? We liberated Iraq from Saddams regime. The insurgents
attacked us and the Iraqi people. Many are screaming across
the border from Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia ...


Get outta here.

Right back atchya'. Go jump in a lake.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by truthseeka
So, please, tell me how the Iraqi insurgents attacked us first.


Hello? We liberated Iraq from Saddams regime. The insurgents
attacked us and the Iraqi people. Many are screaming across
the border from Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia ...


Get outta here.

Right back atchya'. Go jump in a lake.


It was a war of liberation?

GET OUTTA HERE! TWICE!



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
As i said , by this time next year , ths US forces will have killed more people using chemical agents than hussein did. And look who is actually on trial for `crimes against humanity`


You and your thoughtless ilk can repeat this lie till the cows come home and it will be just as false. I'm sorry you can't understand the issue at hand and I'm even sorrier for you if you just like to tell untruths. Either way, further discussion with you and your bretheren is fruitless.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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Nerdling:

It is amusing to watch Team AMERICA! here justifying the use of chemical weapons in a war zone. Isn't one of the main charges against Saddam Hussein his use of Chemical weapons in the extermination of Kurds. But thats okay now because it was an internal affair in which he didn't break any Iraqi laws. Right Team?


Yeah, it's a pro-Bush circle jerk it seems. The very few who blindly follow the lies and misinformation and who pat each other on the back to celebrate their ignorance.

It's actually very pathetic to see, but eventually the truth is too obvious to ignore, no matter how much you avoid trying to look at it.

Why let the facts get in the way of an argument.

Grady:

Also, the attack on Fallujah was one of the most wide publicized operations in the history of warfare.


See above. That's a lie. Journalists were BARRED from entering Fallujah. The US even took control of the hospitals FIRST to avoid having to deal with leaked bodycounts.

The United States of America, based on these and other actions in Iraq, are a ROGUE TERRORIST NATION that ignores international law and human rights and the Geneva Convention.

It's that simple. You're NOT the good guys at all.

Flyersfan:

We liberated Iraq from Saddams regime. The insurgents
attacked us and the Iraqi people.


Ah! I get it. To stop Saddam from torturing, causing civilian deaths and being involved in terror attacks. I must admit, the US has been doing a bang-up job of torturing and killing civilians all by themselves. Saddam would be proud.







[edit on 16-11-2005 by Jakomo]



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling
Now it has become clear that they lack a sense of humanity and ethics.


Pathetic.


The ones who lacked humanity and ethics are the ones who wanted
to allow Saddam to continue to mass murder Iraqis by the hundreds
of thousands, to mass murder with WMD the Kurds, to mass rape,
to mass torture...

The ones who lacked humanity and ethics are the ones who wanted
to continue to allow Saddam to steal BILLIONS of $$ from the Iraqis
in the UN Oil for Food program. His stealing billions caused untold
numbers of Iraqis to die, to go without meds, to go without education.

The ones who lacked humanity and ethics are the ones who backed
the corrupt UN Security Council members - France and Germany -
who voted against overthrowing the dictator Saddam, just so that
they could continue to receive their blood money from him that had
been stolen from the Iraqis.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:26 PM
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I´m sorry but how terrorists and 9/11 relate to the wp massacre of fallujah?
If 911 hijackers (who ever was behind it) weren´t fair why it should concern the usage of horrible weapons against city.
And now to the point.wp
People saying "it´s not a wmd, it´s not chemical weapon,the agreement on using it against civilians" are missing all the big points in the subject.
- Usa lied about usage of them.
- White phosporous is an chemical..a debate that is it a chemical weapon or not, is useless because people are referring to neurotoxins.They kill you throught inhaling and are banned. Wasn´t that kind of weapons the point usa went to iraq anyway?Well anyway.
This thing kills when inhaled, with or without gas mask/protective clothing. Ok so it kills as neurotoxins..Exception here is that you can see the area its covering ,because it´s also an incendiary material which provides very thick very lethal smoke (napalm smoke is comparable with fumes from benzin flames ).
And because it´s also similar to the napalm it heats the area to very high degrees. So major points here are that napalm burns stuff, this burns stuff and "melts/corrodes" living beings

About it being weapons of mass destruction i don´t know, it´s a USA made term all i know and i have no idea what it´s supposed to mean
. Well this stuff causes mass destruction on the area of impact but it´s not nuke or anything.

And now people say "well ok we used them against civilians, but we didn´t sign any paper that would cause any legislate problems with hague." (many other countries wrote it thought)

Ok..that is true, you didn´t sign any agreement on using nukes on civilian targets either so why not just cut the deal and use them. People around the world ain´t compalining about this, it´s just wrong to use such a horrible weapons. Bomb em if you have to kill em without going on foot first. It would be more humane thing to do than this.

That´s about everything i have to say to this. Please stop referring terrorists and 911 things as comparable deeds. They were done by different people. The reason of war in iraq has nothing to do with 911 or al Ci cough..al qaida
.
Fallujah was just very islamic stronghold which has been uncontrollabe even when saddam was in charge, now there isn´t pretty much nothing to control.
-aape



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling
It was a war of liberation?

Yes Nerdling. You did notice that the Iraqis just had their
first free elections in 40+ years, didn't you? You did notice
that they no longer are being slaughtered by Saddam in
the numbers of hundreds of thousands, didn't you? You
did notice that Saddam's mass rape rooms have been
closed, didn't you?

Oh, I guess you didn't notice. Goes against your 'big bad
America' theory. If you were to see the truth then you'd
have to let go of that .. and then what would keep
you warm at night, eh?


GET OUTTA HERE! TWICE!

Right back atcyha too.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
Grady:

Also, the attack on Fallujah was one of the most wide publicized operations in the history of warfare.




I'm talking about the publicity of the operation before it began. The operation was talked about for weeks in the media before it was begun and there was a huge propaganda campaign to inform the civilian population to get out.

You should clean your own house before you pull out the white gloves in mine.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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Flyersfan:

His stealing billions caused untold
numbers of Iraqis to die, to go without meds, to go without education.


US backed sanctions killed upwards of half a million Iraqi children. By restricting meds and food.

Read something some time.

jako



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by Harlequin
As i said , by this time next year , ths US forces will have killed more people using chemical agents than hussein did. And look who is actually on trial for `crimes against humanity`


You and your thoughtless ilk can repeat this lie till the cows come home and it will be just as false. I'm sorry you can't understand the issue at hand and I'm even sorrier for you if you just like to tell untruths. Either way, further discussion with you and your bretheren is fruitless.



i really `lold` at that.

its a numbers game - so far the numbers killed by chemical weapons since last year are close to 1/4 million.

the issue at hand - or rather , this thread is about the use of WMD`s , and the administrations admission to using chemical weapons.

It is unfortunate that you care nothing about that.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:31 PM
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Please remain on topic without any sniping.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
I must admit, the US has been doing a bang-up job of
torturing and killing civilians all by themselves.

No we aren't. But you'd have to take those anti-American
sunglasses off for you to see that... and you won't because
you think you look soooooooooooo cool with them on,
don't you?


Truth of the matter is that the weapon America used is LEGAL.
It was justified. It was necessary. AND it was using proper
force for the situation.

Further, the truth of the matter is that no one is to blame for
the deaths of those terrorists except the terrorists themselves.
If they would act in a civilized manner, accept the legally and
freely elected democratic Iraqi government, if they would stop
murdering Iraqis, if the insurgents coming over the border would
STAY HOME ... then we wouldn't need to be there at all and none
of that would have happened.

It's the insurgents own faults they are dead and/or suffering
from this weapon. Booooooo freak'n hooooooooo.


[edit on 11/16/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Nerdling
Now it has become clear that they lack a sense of humanity and ethics.


Pathetic.


The ones who lacked humanity and ethics are the ones who wanted
to allow Saddam to continue to mass murder Iraqis by the hundreds
of thousands, to mass murder with WMD the Kurds, to mass rape,
to mass torture...

The ones who lacked humanity and ethics are the ones who wanted
to continue to allow Saddam to steal BILLIONS of $$ from the Iraqis
in the UN Oil for Food program. His stealing billions caused untold
numbers of Iraqis to die, to go without meds, to go without education.

The ones who lacked humanity and ethics are the ones who backed
the corrupt UN Security Council members - France and Germany -
who voted against overthrowing the dictator Saddam, just so that
they could continue to receive their blood money from him that had
been stolen from the Iraqis.



I'm sorry but the moral high ground is the other way.

Why should France and Germany support a war that was based on lies?

Now, why was it so hard to say you were going to fight a war of liberation and free the Iraqi people? That memo popped up when the weapons didn't pop up. So pull the other one.

Instead you went for the undeniable proof of weapons of mass destruction road which was directed by Colin Powell. Don't you remember that little Powerpoint-Presentation-From-Hell?



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Jakomo
US backed sanctions killed upwards of half a million Iraqi
children. By restricting meds and food.

Wrong. The US backed sanctions killed no one. The Iraqis
would have had plenty of food and meds if Saddam and the
crooked UN Security Council had used the Oil for Food money
on the Iraqis as it was supposed to be. Instead Saddam
built palaces with it, and France and Germany's UN Security
people lined their pockets with it.

No Jakomo ... the truth is that the sanctions killed no one.
It was SADDAM stealing the $$$ that killed.
THAT has now ended because America and the Coalition of
the Willing took him out.


Read something some time.

Snotty ... and right back atchya'.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:37 PM
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I'm with WOS.

A level of good natured banter is common in a thread dealing with a situation of such an enormous weight.

But lets keep this on topic and frosty, I'm not saying love each other. Just be civil.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Nerdling
I'm sorry but the moral high ground is the other way.


You are free to believe that if you wish. However, the facts
remain that now that Iraq has been liberated from Saddam
the people are free of the mass rape rooms, free of the mass
murder by WMD (kurds), free of the mass murders by the
hundreds of thousands, free of the torture chambers, free of
the theft of their oil money that Saddam was stealing by
the billions.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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This thread has officially reached Chernobyl status.


[sarcasm]Everyone knows that America doesn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of the world. It's not a crime against humanity if we do it, it's for the betterment of the rest of the world. There's an exception to every rule and as far as we're concerned we are that exception.[/sarcasm]

Peace



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