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NEWS: Bush Prods China Into Granting More Freedoms

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posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 03:47 AM
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Speaking in Japan, American President Bush has stated that China should grant more political freedoms to its citizens. In a move likely to ruffle the Chinese government's feathers, Bush held up Taiwan as a model for China to emulate. He said that Taiwan made the transitation from repression to democracy by opening up its economy. "Modern Taiwan is free and democratic and prosperous. By embracing freedom at all levels, Taiwan has delivered prosperity to its people and created a free and democratic Chinese society," said Bush.
 



news.yahoo.com
KYOTO, Japan - President Bush prodded China on Wednesday to grant more political freedom to its 1.3 billion people and held up archrival Taiwan as a society that successfully moved from repression to democracy as it opened its economy.

n remarks sure to rile Beijing, Bush suggested China should follow Taiwan's path.

"Modern Taiwan is free and democratic and prosperous. By embracing freedom at all levels, Taiwan has delivered prosperity to its people and created a free and democratic Chinese society," the president said.

He delivered that message to China both in a speech and in a joint news conference with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, an unflinching ally despite the president's record-low popularity and mounting problems at home. Koizumi supported the U.S.-led invasion of
Iraq and made an unpopular decision to send noncombat troops there in January 2004.


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China should grant more political freedoms so that they can be ignored like in the West? Ah I see the logic...

What's the point of coaxing China into a democracy that we don't even enjoy ourselves? I think its more to do with the stated manner in which China could go about it that is the issue here. Its an issue that has been very cleverly and subtly connected by the Bush administration. Open Chinese market = democracy

We've seen the push for democracy in the Middle East and now we are seeing the inkling of the push for democracy in the Far East. Common themes? Democracy, a republic's poor cousin, and freer access to markets for America. Coincidence or real reason for Bush's phoney democracy crusade?

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posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 04:47 AM
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How about this for a motive: looking out for the interests of the USA? If a president/PM/ etc., doesn't have that first and foremost on their agenda, then they are not much of a leader.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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Hey thanks Bush, next time tell them you think their eyes are funky, and then tell them you can't stand their food. While you're at it why don't you tell them you want any oil they might have aswell?



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
How about this for a motive: looking out for the interests of the USA? If a president/PM/ etc., doesn't have that first and foremost on their agenda, then they are not much of a leader.

I wouldn't (and don't) have a problem with that if that was their stated goal. When we are told the aim is for the betterment of all nations I find it gauling. Everyone knows each leader's paramount objective is to safeguard and promote their own nations self interest, so why do the Americans have to try to paint a rosy picture every time?

I would much rather the American President cut the crap and fessed up to their true intentions i.e. to make money for the United States, to safeguard the United States interests abroad and screw every one else. Then we wouldn't have to deal with the fools who actually believe this democracy crusade clap-trap as the gospel truth.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 12:16 PM
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Its simple Bush wants to screw up China, and then he speaks about democracy, his democracy hasn't brought anything doog to anybody, just look at Iraq how many people get killed there every single day in the name of Bush spreading democracy, men it's believable what he's doing.



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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China being communist is the only reason that we don't all speak Mandarin...
if they convert to democracy successfully, then we might as well give up now...



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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Here is an FYI for everyone. It is not simply Bush wanting to open up China.

Several presidents have been laying the ground work for this for years.

This is simply a question of economics. Opening up china to the west would be a boon for all of western culture.

1972 - U.S. President Richard Nixon makes a historic visit to China

January 1, 1979 - Carter ushers in full diplomatic relations between the United States and the People's Republic of China. At the same time the United States cut formal ties with the Nationalist Chinese regime In Taiwan.

2003 - Former U.S. president Carter urges China to enshrine local democracy in its laws

So..its more economics than it is political, as the talks have been by both parties over the years.

- One Man Short



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by One Man Short of Manhood
Here is an FYI for everyone. It is not simply Bush wanting to open up China.

Several presidents have been laying the ground work for this for years.



Free trade requests are not limited to the US alone. Muslim nations have also asked free trade, Blair and Howard have asked for free trade with China; the list goes on and on.

Source for Muslim nations

news.bbc.co.uk...

I also find the dangling carrot repugnant since authors country has asked for the very same, yet clearly shows bias when it comes to the US while omitting the fact his country did the very same.


China Howard Drink to Free Trade


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posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 04:41 PM
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uhm....I hate to be the pssimist here, but there is no such thing as 'free' trade, (read the economist article by thomas sowell 'no free lunches')



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
China being communist is the only reason that we don't all speak Mandarin...
if they convert to democracy successfully, then we might as well give up now...


That is true. The "communist" (in the lossest possible sense of the word) Government is currently keeping a lid on growing Chinese Nationalism. Let the Chinese vote in their leaders and we may get more than we bargained for.

Unless, of course, you a Bush-phile and want a scuffle with China, then by all means, free them up.....



posted on Nov, 16 2005 @ 05:28 PM
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Wait...

Bush is asking the Chinese to 'Grant More Freedom's while he takes away those in the United States?

Can you smell the irony in the air?

To be honest, the CCP are not doing that bad a job at sorting China out. Yes it has its problems, primarily with its Human Rights but than so do most other Nation's. In a perfect World none would...this place ain't perfect.

If you look at China now compaired to ten years ago or thirty years ago it is slowly getting better and the worst thing we could do too the Nation is to open the flood gates.



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