Originally posted by Esoterica
That was a typo, a ball on a string. Sorry.

Oh, well that makes more sense lol.

Originally posted by EsotericaI've tweaked the brightness/contrast on my computer as well as I can, and the space between the two buildings is still black as night, so it'd be impossible to see in the video if the object was actually at a distance or right in front of us.

I'm looking at a tiny video tiny video (or a very grainy, blown up video, whichever link you prefer) of a blob floating in the sky, with absolutely no way to tell how far away it is.

What?

If you look at the very start, and especially at the very end of the video, it's clear that the building is metres in front of the camera. It must be, it's in the foreground, and the last frame is especially good.

Seeing as how that craft moved to behind the building, I'd assume it would be ...maybe 10-100 metres away from the camera.

Originally posted by EsotericaBecause it's not a "good" video.

I'll give you that, definately not the best video I've seen.

Originally posted by EsotericaIt could be a football covered in tinfoil and it'd look about the same.

No it couldn't. It's no shaped like a football, it's shaped like a disc, which is cricular and not like an oval.

Originally posted by EsotericaNot to mention, the video ends with the cameraman focusing on the building.

What?

No it doesn't. The UFO dashes to the right, to behind the apartment building, and all the cameraman does is turn to the right a bit, to try to follow it, but there's stuff in the way obviously lol.

He/She isn't very skilled or compitent I totally agree there.

Originally posted by Esoterica
Or it's... you know... a fake. Low quality + sketchy details + convenient camerawork = not convincing at all.

Perhaps....but probably not. Aliens exist and visit here, so there's no reason this can't be real...

Can anyone with keen eye sight tell if the ufo/object disappears before it goes behind the building? If it did then that fact would pretty much confirm it was a fake. If only WMP did frame by frame.

Originally posted by freeradical
Can anyone with keen eye sight tell if the ufo/object disappears before it goes behind the building? If it did then that fact would pretty much confirm it was a fake. If only WMP did frame by frame.

I just imported the video into windows movie maker and ran a frame by frame.
the UFO moves so quickly, that there aren't many frames to work with, but at frame 16.81 the UFO is a streak nearly to the 3rd balcony up, and at 16.84 the streak is at the bottom corner of the 3rd balcony.

At frame 16.87, the little streak at the bottom corner of the third balcony is....gone.

I've been jogging through these frames over and over, and am very confident that the UFO is indeed at quite a distance, well beyond the condo, and that it does indeed pass pass behind the condo and can be confirmed visually at frames 16.81, 16.84, and 16.87.

I just watched this video about 2 dozen times and I'm convinced its a hoax. It's an alright hoax, but you people are giving the hoaxers too much credit suggesting this is cgi. It is an object suspended from above by a fishing line. It has been spun so that it acts as a gyroscope and maintains "flatness" when the person with the fishing pole moves it from side to side, otherwise it would wobble and look even more fake. If you watch carefully, as the object moves from the right to the left it has some "bounce" to it. I'm not talking about the cameraman either. Watch the object relative to the background and you will see what I'm talking about. This is consistent with someone moving a fishing rod laterally and not having perfect smooth motion. When the object darts off this is just another helper pulling a string which has been attached to the object laterally. It is too dark to tell whether the object flies off the screen beyond the far building, as it is definitely meant to appear, or if it goes between the two buildings. Also, notice the metal structure next to the cameraman. That is scaffolding. We have no idea of the size of the object nor its distance. It could be a bottlecap sized object just 2 meters from the cameraman. This video is just not convincing.

I think a lot of us would like it to be genuine,but we have to be logical,if we were to try to duplicate it we have to say,how if this is a hoax how would we create it, first its shape,could it be a spinning top like a yo yo,for it to shoot off to the right without rising how was this done,i think if a fishing rod was used with a line suspended it would be difficult,possibly the fishing rod was bent to the left then released,maybe someone else can try it out or comment, so maybe another method was used, it looked like there is a scaffolding to the right,its possible that 2 people were involved , what concerns me ,if you was filming a UFO,you would get as much zoom as possible,i get the impression ,it was zoomed out because the person operating the camera knew it was going to shoot off to the right.Is it genuine ? i,m still not sure,any other ideas?

Also bear in mind,this past year there have been on sale flying ufo toys,this is not one of them 2 reaons its around 6 inches across so to appear smaller it would have to be further away from the camera,also it cannot move to the right at that speed.

For me this is real. The object is upper comparing to front-building, at 0:11 u can see.
And I think nobody (maybe only Superman and Batman) can move some object in this speed.

i think the most interesing thing about the video is the sound. Right when the craft speeds up and bolts out of view, you hear a swift woosh as if a thin piece of plastic or a magazine was swept by your ear. It might be the sound barrier being broken in that split second. Im just interested in that because ive never heard something like that in a u.f.o video

It looks too much like an Remote Control item... sorry. Plus it's super small >.<

..certainly a hoax..!

How come the cameraman zooms out, just about the right time that the UFO darts off to the right!! Hmm very suspicious!!

That's a very logical deduction that the camera man has some prior knowledge of this event( possibly even a coordinater of the hoax). However If you look at it the way that it is true it may be coincedence that he zoomed out who knows maybe theres a reason that fits in with paranormal reasons like he subconcuosly sensed it was going to move. But you not being in on the hoax cannot say for certain whether it is a hoax or not.

When i say this I am not strictly addressing you spirit2 but anybody who does not substantiate an opinion that is vindictive as such with evidence, proof, really good theory or actual knowledge. Your simple point I'm sure has been pondered by many others on this site, it has already been mentioned and is thus null and void as a useful peice of this conversation.


Anyway does anybody have any feedback on that earlier post i put in, I was interested if anybody had heard of that theory on ufos. (Being not actually in a corporeal universe and just observing by means of some type of projection.)
Anybody?

I have to agree with Magickesists.
if you're going to be skeptic, put some proof behind it. Even the comment of "it looks like a remote controlled object" proves it's a hoax was unvalidated. I'm not slamming anyone - just trying to make a point. I could just as easily say that a Cessna flying overhead looks like a remote controlled object - and it could be! I've heard mention of people thinking a remote controlled airplane flying high enough is confused with a real airplane because the eyes don't pick up the depth perception right away, until it does something out of the ordinary and they take a deeper look at it.

All I'm saying is, we could come up with a bunch of different ways to make a video like this and whether it's real or not, people can always find flaws in it because it's such a controversial topic. If it were *too* clear, people could also assume it was a hoax because it came out so well. It's a no-win situation.

But questions and comments like, "why did he focused on the building after it took off?" is obviously because he was using the auto-focus on the camera, and when the UFO(?) shot off screen, the camera re-focused on what was still in the frame. It would be almost impossible for a human to refocus a camera that quick anyway.

Its to good too be true, and thats why its not, when the camara zooms in, the object(ufo) remains out of focus, a generally good indication of skulldugary, plus the lack of info, doesn't help the believability, but thanks for bringing this to our attention.

All the best... ian

I looked it over about 30 times and I think its either one heck of a hoax or it was a very real object there.

The spinning looks great, you can see some detail and tell that its rotating, looks shinny the light looks reflected on one side etc. I saw the sort of wooble and I think you are right about the guy with the camera just trying to zoom out to see if anything was going on, I doubt he had prior knowledge it was going to move because his reaction is delayed by a second as if taken off guard and why move right into the path of the building ? why not up

So here is my biggest hint that I would have to believe the object is very real.

At 16: something I dont have a frame by frame capability but after many tries at timing hitting pause I caught a frame that shows the object in two places a motion blurr and the distance is about 1 length or 1 1/2 the length of the object. Meaning the object is travelling at a rate faster then the capture speed of the camera.

It is very difficult to duplicate that to my understanding in CGI as you move the object maybe a half frame at a time and include spacing and then multiple images of the object often times when you play it back at normal speed what you get is almost a solid line of the object. or the object "blinks" there not there there not there there not there. So if you were to play back the video the object would look like it jumps ahead.

When you play this back the object appears to almost slide across as if catching something moving REALLY fast. Faster then the camera can take an individual frame.

Look at time lapsed camera photos, where the shutter is staying open longer then the movement and you can see the same "object" in two locations with the motion blurr between the two points. Only in this case the camera is running in normal time frame and the object is moving beyond the capability of the camera.

I think its THERE what ever it was

It would seem through your analysis the explanation I previously touched on would relate better to those odd images in the frames. As opposed to a hoax this is most likely a projection of energy from a room, millions of light years away. The Image of the inside of the room is visible to us due to some type of imagery (partial teleport in stasis would be a good way of thinking of it.).
Anyway if these aliens are capable of this technology it means they may be in another universe or dimension. thus the other parralel reality may have different physics and laws than our own. If I may, that would explain the rapid movements along with distortion may be cause by improper tuning of this decive, or by dimensional differences in the Projector and display screen (simplest thought).

That's my veiw is on this, I'd love to know how far away they are If it's not a hoax and I'm semi correct in my theory.

[edit on 17-12-2005 by Magickesists]

This is CGI, it's been discussed before.
You can tell by the bad tracking of the UFO compared to the hand movement of the camera.

Focus on a fixed part of the clouds and don't let your eyes move with the UFO or the camera shake and you'll see how bad the CGI tracking is.

It looks like the UFO is trying to keep up with the camera shake but just can't quiet match it.