Yop I've seen this.

It looks 100% authentic.
Notice how it's spinning, and moving slgihtly, then just darts off to the right, as if it's no at all affected by gravity...which it isn't.

excellent video... when is it from? all i saw was the time in the corner.

Why such low quality?

Looking at the video, I can't help but notice 2 things-

1. The cameraman is underneath the porch above. Meaning some guy could be standing above him with a metal ball on a string. The low wualtiy and nothing for size comparison doesn't help.

2. Doesn't it look like the object passes between the two apartment buildings? Just what would happen if a guy yanked the string real fast and pulled it up. The darkness makes it impossible to tell if the object was between the buildings or behind both.

This doesn't look like anything special.

well its obviously amateur video footage, you cant expect it to be HD man..

if it is a hoax.. its definately not "a guy with a saucer on a string"..

That is a cracking vid, much better than the usual UFO movies we see. I have one concern though, at 10secs the guy filming zooms out for seemingly no reason as the UFO doesn't dart off 'til 16 secs... Why zoom out so early, the UFO doesn't move out of shot or look like it's about to?

What is really refreshing is the quality, although not ideal by any means, it's much better than usual. I'm gonna have a good look at it in Premiere and give a bit of a write up on it I think.

well its obviously amateur video footage, you cant expect it to be HD man.. if it is a hoax.. its definately not "a guy with a saucer on a string"..

Agreed, it is far from a saucer/string hoax. Look at the acceleration when the UFO (that's what it is, unidentified before I get cut down by either camp) darts off. To fast for your average guy running off.

I want nothing more than that one piece of conclusive proof but can't help but wonder if we'll ever get it.

T, fighting the good fight

This vid has been posted/discussed before....and most believed to be fake, me included.

Originally posted by Krpano
This vid has been posted/discussed before....and most believed to be fake, me included.

I've done a search (for "Bulgaria UFO film") too and couldn't find any prevous threads, plus I don't remember it coming up before, do you have a link to the prevous thread(s)? Cheers in advance Krpano.

T

Originally posted by Esoterica
Why such low quality?

The general public isn't rich, and cannot afford $10,000 cameras.
Not even $1,000 cameras.

Originally posted by Esoterica1. The cameraman is underneath the porch above. Meaning some guy could be standing above him with a metal ball on a string. The low wualtiy and nothing for size comparison doesn't help.

Four things make that theory impossible and false.

- The UFO was spinning
- The UFO would look extremely 'out of place' if what you're suggesting is true, yet it doesn't.
- The UFO flies to behind the apartment building in the foreground.
- There's no string

Originally posted by Esoterica2. Doesn't it look like the object passes between the two apartment buildings? Just what would happen if a guy yanked the string real fast and pulled it up. The darkness makes it impossible to tell if the object was between the buildings or behind both.

Absolutely not. If you're not certain watch it agai once or twice, the UFO very clearly movies into behind the building.

If what you're suggesting is correct, the guy would have to have yanked the object in a 90 degree angle upwars, without any forward motion present - that's the only way we wouldn't notice it.
Yet this is absolutely impossible, given newtons laws. In fact no object can do a 90 degree turn upwars, it would have to be gradual.


So you see, what you're suggesting is nothing short of ludicrous.

Originally posted by tandino
That is a cracking vid, much better than the usual UFO movies we see. I have one concern though, at 10secs the guy filming zooms out for seemingly no reason as the UFO doesn't dart off 'til 16 secs... Why zoom out so early, the UFO doesn't move out of shot or look like it's about to?

This indeed was the strongest concern shared by me when I first looked at the video.

After watching it a few more times, I concluded that the guy zoomed in only for a second or two to see the close up. He didn't know when it was goina fly away, and there were quite a few seconds before it did after zooming out, putting the whole timeframe into perspective, it is more than probable that the cameraman's actions were random.

Originally posted by Krpano
This vid has been posted/discussed before....and most believed to be fake, me included.

"most" and you should provide some good reasons for your opinion.

Originally posted by tandino
I've done a search (for "Bulgaria UFO film") too and couldn't find any prevous threads, plus I don't remember it coming up before, do you have a link to the prevous thread(s)? Cheers in advance Krpano.

I highly doubt it was discussed in a previous thread, as the starting subject of discussion.
However I do believe from memory, that this was brought up in a general UFO related thread.

If that is a fake. It is one of the best IMHO that I have ever seen. You can actually see it spinning. Now that is a great piece of footage. That even beats the grand ole "Mexico" sighting!

Originally posted by Krpano
As someone said in one of the other threads, its very strange that the person who was filming had absolutly no reaction.
Any person would be like WT* !!! or OMG !!!
As normally happens in other videos posted here at ATS by some members.

Not me, I'd act as if this happens on a daily basis

But the video appears to not have sound anyway?

I didn't mena low quality as in a cheap camera. I meant low quality as the compression for it. Almost like someone wanted to hide something...

Manincloak
Four things make that theory impossible and false.

- The UFO was spinning
- The UFO would look extremely 'out of place' if what you're suggesting is true, yet it doesn't.
- The UFO flies to behind the apartment building in the foreground.
- There's no string

With such low image quality, I don't know how you can say any of those things with any certainty. And how the heck can't a guy with a ball of a string make it spin?

Absolutely not. If you're not certain watch it agai once or twice, the UFO very clearly movies into behind the building.

If what you're suggesting is correct, the guy would have to have yanked the object in a 90 degree angle upwars, without any forward motion present - that's the only way we wouldn't notice it.
Yet this is absolutely impossible, given newtons laws. In fact no object can do a 90 degree turn upwars, it would have to be gradual.

So you see, what you're suggesting is nothing short of ludicrous.

Eh? Due to the darkness and the lag between when the object moves and the camera moves, he could have yanked it up and you'd never know.

I don't know how many people are familiar with Adobe After Effects, Final Cut Pro, and other programs like Digital Fusion.
For the most part any CG/Video students, enthusiast, hobbiest, or even professional can produce a 3D on video composite relatively easy. Frankly I'm surprised there aren't more attempts at hoaxes. What makes the footage compelling is the motion in the video which synchs well with the object in the sky. This shot could easily be done with tracking software that is built into these programs. It helps align multiple layers of video so that they all move together is a predefined way.

If it's a fake, I'll note the video is well done. A nice use of global illumination. There are two technical points working against it. The small video size and amount of compression used reduces the clarity. Those two factors make it very difficult to evaluate it's authenticity.

Originally posted by Esoterica
With such low image quality, I don't know how you can say any of those things with any certainty. And how the heck can't a guy with a ball of a string make it spin?

Well first of all, it's not a ball of string, it's a metalic smooth disc shaped (not perfect or near perfect spherical) object.

For the last time, it was not some guy with a string, it's impossible, the craft flew to behind the foreground building.

Now man, and I'm not trying to be offensive, but is there something wrong with your eyes? Or are we looking at two different videos, because it's clear as glass that it's a craft of some nature.

Originally posted by Esoterica
Eh? Due to the darkness and the lag between when the object moves and the camera moves, he could have yanked it up and you'd never know.

Once again. I cannot understand how you can make such a remark.

Perhaps you're using an outdated/poor video player?
Because I can see it clear as glass, without a doubt that it's a craft which flies to behind the apartment building in the foreground.

There is just no qustion about it. There is no lag, nothing, it's clear what it's doing.


I don't understand why some people feel the need to dismiss a perfectly good video as a hoax.

It may have been 10 years ago, when compression wasn't as good and/or accessable - who knows.

[edit on 16-11-2005 by Manincloak]

What's interesting is that the UFO flew behind the appartment building in the distance, meaning if the object was somehow suspended in the air, it would have to be very large to have that kind of footprint on the video screen. Since it was appearing to be spinning, this is quite some trick...! It might be easier to go ahead and build an antigravity disc.

Originally posted by Manincloak
Well first of all, it's not a ball of string, it's a metalic smooth disc shaped (not perfect or near perfect spherical) object.

That was a typo, a ball on a string. Sorry.

For the last time, it was not some guy with a string, it's impossible, the craft flew to behind the foreground building.

Now man, and I'm not trying to be offensive, but is there something wrong with your eyes? Or are we looking at two different videos, because it's clear as glass that it's a craft of some nature.

I've tweaked the brightness/contrast on my computer as well as I can, and the space between the two buildings is still black as night, so it'd be impossible to see in the video if the object was actually at a distance or right in front of us.

Once again. I cannot understand how you can make such a remark.

Perhaps you're using an outdated/poor video player?
Because I can see it clear as glass, without a doubt that it's a craft which flies to behind the apartment building in the foreground.

There is just no qustion about it. There is no lag, nothing, it's clear what it's doing.

I'm looking at a tiny video tiny video (or a very grainy, blown up video, whichever link you prefer) of a blob floating in the sky, with absolutely no way to tell how far away it is.

I don't understand why some people feel the need to dismiss a perfectly good video as a hoax.

Because it's not a "good" video. Maybe if it was larger and brighter, but right now I'm just seeing a blob. It could be a football covered in tinfoil and it'd look about the same.

Not to mention, the video ends with the cameraman focusing on the building. If the craft had flown behind the building, then all he had to do was keep turning. Go pas tthe building and into the open sky or parking lot just to the right of the frame.. If I were filming a UFO, I'd sure as heck try to get another glimpse of it, even if it did leave at high speed. But he stops and focuses on the building.

It may have been 10 years ago, when compression wasn't as good and/or accessable - who knows.

Or it's... you know... a fake. Low quality + sketchy details + convenient camerawork = not convincing at all.


[edit on 11-16-2005 by Esoterica]

The tragectory of the ufo as it darts off to the right is very straight. If it was a ball hanging from a peice of string i would have expected the ufo to follow a circular path around its base point - i.e. the hand that held the string.

It moves at speed with accuracy, almost like watching a large flying insect.

I actually just tested that. I put a weight on the end of a string and held it in front of me, and yanked it to the side. The weight moved straight (as far as my eye could tell), until I stopped pulling. Then it started the circular swinging motion. That's why I suspect the darkness (it's with the camera, since when he focuses on the building the light returns. We've all seen it with digital cameras) was used to hide the final moments of movement while the prop was pulled up.

However, someone much better at physics should take a look at the film.

Although a prop is just what first came to mind. The quality is so low that it could be a CG effet. We all remember that Sci-Fi channel commercial with teh Helicopter UFO. That looked real enough (so real that people around here were touting it as a UFO video). Something like this, at such low quality with a handheld camera, should be inspected thoroughly. Not just "Well, it's not painfully obvious that it's a fake, and I believe in UFOs, so I'm just gonna say it's real."